Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Larry44]

He definitely seems next in line to be the new scape goat. Again, not because he's been bad or disappointing, but because he isn't what the team wants him to be.

He'll never be Buium...

 

[volnoir]

For those that care:



Some reading between the lines a bit as they are both pretty diplomatic guys, but I think the comment about how with the Flyers they team was hyper focused on the negative and on each players mistakes, where in Calgary they focus on the positives.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Farabee 1+0, -3 after 5 games. Frost is 2+0, -2 in 5... Of course if they look good in the playoffs, it'll be a good trade for Calgary, but Flames first need to make the playoffs.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Farabee 1+0, -3 after 5 games. Frost is 2+0, -2 in 5... Of course if they look good in the playoffs, it'll be a good trade for Calgary, but Flames first need to make the playoffs.

Do we have to explain again the +/- isn't a good stat to look at for a player. Yes the points per game isn't great right now but you have to give adjustment time also.


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So I am hearing the team was not happy at all with losing these two from the locker room. Imagine the crater if they move Laughton.

 

[Curufinwe]

Farabee 1+0, -3 after 5 games. Frost is 2+0, -2 in 5... Of course if they look good in the playoffs, it'll be a good trade for Calgary, but Flames first need to make the playoffs.

12/14 Calgary forwards are minus in those 5 games. Backlund and Coleman are both -4.

In those 5 games, Frost and Farabee have registered 3 of the 11 ES points scored by Calgary forwards. It is not a high scoring team.

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[Hollywood Cannon]

So they’re going to try and flip the guy that was likely going on waivers? And the guy that WAS on waivers is the prize of the deal?

 

[ponder719]

So they’re going to try and flip the guy that was likely going on waivers?

The article did suggest retention, which provides a value add for a contender that isn't there if they just pluck the guy off waivers. My bigger question is "so, you said you wanted a look at this guy in Philly, and we're talking about 7 games? Is that a significant enough look?"

 

[Audible Velvet]

So they’re going to try and flip the guy that was likely going on waivers? And the guy that WAS on waivers is the prize of the deal?

Kuznenko looks kinda skilled, so…

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

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So I am hearing the team was not happy at all with losing these two from the locker room. Imagine the crater if they move Laughton.

Well the fans aren't happy with all the losing either...

 

[dragonoffrost]

Well the fans aren't happy with all the losing either...

For all the talk of #culture. It seems the front office didn't really read the room for #culture.

 

[Beef Invictus]

12/14 Calgary forwards are minus in those 5 games. Backlund and Coleman are both -4.

In those 5 games, Frost and Farabee have registered 3 of the 11 ES points scored by Calgary forwards. It is not a high scoring team.

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Context is an interesting thing.

 

[scumpup]

Do we have to explain again the +/- isn't a good stat to look at for a player. Yes the points per game isn't great right now but you have to give adjustment time also.


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So I am hearing the team was not happy at all with losing these two from the locker room. Imagine the crater if they move Laughton.

imo, the only thing keeping the team from utter collapse was the locker room culture being quite good. The whole team always looked like they were having fun despite playing like shit. Once they kill the locker room theyll be bottom 1.

 

[dragonoffrost]

imo, the only thing keeping the team from utter collapse was the locker room culture being quite good. The whole team always looked like they were having fun despite playing like shit. Once they kill the locker room theyll be bottom 1.

That why I mention that the trade of Laughton could crater this room. If they didn't trade Frost/Farabee they probably survive a Laughton deal.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

That why I mention that the trade of Laughton could crater this room. If they didn't trade Frost/Farabee they probably survive a Laughton deal.

Let it die.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I really wish Michkov stayed another year in the KHL. IDK what it will take for the organization to unf*** itself, but we're heading to buffalo sabres hell.

Heading?

 

[MJL66]

That why I mention that the trade of Laughton could crater this room. If they didn't trade Frost/Farabee they probably survive a Laughton deal.

Who cares! When and if this team ultimately becomes a legit contender. A lot of the players in the room won't be here. Culture and the room are two of the most overrated factors in the sport.

 

[Kshahdoo]

What the trade Flyers actually need is to trade coaches with the Sharks. That would be such a great trade in many ways. Michkov would start scoring, Celebrini would stop scoring, and the Flyers would lose all their games left...

 

[1865]

So they’re going to try and flip the guy that was likely going on waivers? And the guy that WAS on waivers is the prize of the deal?

On waivers you don't retain. We can now and I imagine we'll get at least a mid-round pick for them.

It is a little surprising though. You thought the trade was to give Mich some countrymen...?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

So they’re going to try and flip the guy that was likely going on waivers? And the guy that WAS on waivers is the prize of the deal?

Wasn't there a big story about how they had to get him on the phone to talk to him about how they needed him?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wasn't there a big story about how they had to get him on the phone to talk to him about how they needed him?

Briere and Jones talked him into waiving his NTC on the phone but Tortorella couldn’t get him on the phone after the trade was done.

Torts isn’t a phone person. He likes face to face.

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[JojoTheWhale]

Briere and Jones talked him into waiving his NTC on the phone

Well those are the guys trading him again? So what the hell was all of that?

 

[ponder719]

Well those are the guys trading him again? So what the hell was all of that?

I'm not entirely prepared to assume that anything being reported by our beats is accurate, so I'm not sold that the first conversation actually revolved around them convincing Kuzmenko he was needed here. It may well have been "we want you to come in, see how you like Philly, but we'll make sure to get you to a contender this year and revisit the conversation in the offseason" or something like that.

But there's also the fact that you could write every single rational thing this front office has ever done on a postcard, ball it up, stick it into a thimble, and still have room for your thumb.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'm not entirely prepared to assume that anything being reported by our beats is accurate, so I'm not sold that the first conversation actually revolved around them convincing Kuzmenko he was needed here. It may well have been "we want you to come in, see how you like Philly, but we'll make sure to get you to a contender this year and revisit the conversation in the offseason" or something like that.

But there's also the fact that you could write every single rational thing this front office has ever done on a postcard, ball it up, stick it into a thimble, and still have room for your thumb.

He could have gotten to a contender anyway with retention.

I'm fully on board with the taking all of these dopes with a grain of salt approach. What marvels me is how so damn many people just don't care to think.

 

[Curufinwe]

The trade deadline is March 7, so the Flyers only have 6 games to showcase Kuzmenko if they're going to flip him.

One of them is vs Calgary on March 4

 

[Fight4yourRight]

I think the argument that culture or having a good room is “overrated” is kind of missing the point. Probably it’s just fatigue from hearing it over and over again and beaten into our brains ad nauseam.

Going to work (even if it is a sport) with a hunch of dickheads in a toxic workplace is not much fun. No matter how good and skilled you are, it’s going to spill over into results sooner than later.

I can buy that having a good room is one part of the equation. Seems as though Frost and Farabee fell into that category. The problem becomes when you are willingly and blindly overlooking ways to improve the team by pointing to a largely unquantifiable thing, as excusing inaction. Or.. by being a complete idiot in eliminating something that you feel is contributing to a toxic culture and underselling that asset or airing dirty laundry. The Flyers organization seems completely inept in navigating this and consistently makes the wrong choice, almost every time.

They can have skilled players that are also good teammates. But they seem stuck in the mindset that only try hard 4th line role players are contributing to having the right culture.