Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Beef Invictus]

Calm yourself down a little. 924 skaters played in the NHL last season but 315 of them were defensemen.

To be a full time NHLer i see them having to play >75% of the games available to them. Only 309 forwards have done this since the start of last season. Of them, Frost is 151st in scoring, Farabee is 140th. If you just count this season, Frost is 157th and Farabee is 210th!

They're good enough to play in the NHL, of course they are. They're both at an age where you kinda know what you have though. Their peak was moderately above average and they've hardly trended upwards since.

The trade itself was a meh, we may not have got an amazing return for them but what do you realistically expect to get for a 25 year old who's got a career high of 50 points, has regressed significantly and is signed for $5m for three more seasons!? If we'd traded for him without the emotional connection you'd be furious if you gave up anything of any value.

Not amazing? That's an optimistic way to say "clearly horrible"

 

[FlyerNutter]

He’s a PoS

2023. Know whats crazy? This photo makes me miss Holmgren. Dumb at the end, but he was the last decent GM they have had. Actually brought in good players.

 

[Beef Invictus]

2023. Know whats crazy? This photo makes me miss Holmgren. Dumb at the end, but he was the last decent GM they have had. Actually brought in good players.

Far and away the second best GM the team has ever had. It's not even close. Which says a lot because everyone knew pretty much the whole time that his practices could only the in collapse of the prospect pool and cap crisis

 

[MJL66]

It’s not how I would build my team, but yeah.. honestly?

For the Flyers? Free agency, trades, and offer sheets make more sense. I’m about as down on their amateur scouting/development as can be. Only need to look at who they have infused into the league in the last 20 years to see that.

I do have some fears though with a more “traditional” Flyers approach to getting talent in. There were days when they chased Timonen, Pronger, Briere, Hartnell, Coburn. Hell I loved the Meazaros, and Gudas additions, etc.

Something happened with pro scouting though. We’ve been gifted Ristolainen, Hayes, Drysdale, Atkinson.

I’d have faith in their “traditional” approach if there was more recency with successfully targeting the right players.

Nutter, free agency, trades and offer sheets don't make more sense. They all can get you in serious cap trouble. Even if you miss on draft picks, you're still in a better position to recover. A team of failed prospects is in infinitely better position than a team that is capped out, on the playoff bubble with no maneuverability to become a contender

 

[FlyerNutter]

Nutter, free agency, trades and offer sheets don't make more sense. They all can get you in serious cap trouble. Even if you miss on draft picks, you're still in a better position to recover. A team of failed prospects is in infinitely better position than a team that is capped out, on the playoff bubble with no maneuverability to become a contender

For a normal team. Sure. I’ve seen enough of this org to know drafting is just a slow death - unless they do a full house cleaning staff wise.

Might as well make it somewhat interesting.

The current path is slowly trudging through the swamp to nowhere.

 

[freakydallas13]

Ok, now it’s definitely incompetence.

People get paid to do things like this for this team, wtf are they doing?

Clown show franchise.

 

[MJL66]

Calm yourself down a little. 924 skaters played in the NHL last season but 315 of them were defensemen.

To be a full time NHLer i see them having to play >75% of the games available to them. Only 309 forwards have done this since the start of last season. Of them, Frost is 151st in scoring, Farabee is 140th. If you just count this season, Frost is 157th and Farabee is 210th!

They're good enough to play in the NHL, of course they are. They're both at an age where you kinda know what you have though. Their peak was moderately above average and they've hardly trended upwards since.

The trade itself was a meh, we may not have got an amazing return for them but what do you realistically expect to get for a 25 year old who's got a career high of 50 points, has regressed significantly and is signed for $5m for three more seasons!? If we'd traded for him without the emotional connection you'd be furious if you gave up anything of any value.

Again, you're lacking simple common sense. If a player is not a full time NHL player, that means that they haven't shown that they're good enough at this point in time to keep a full time spot in the lineup. They're not good enough to score 20 goals in the NHL! Even if you want to do just forwards. 609 players played in the league last year. Only 135 were able to score 20 or more goals. That still makes a player who can score 20 goals in the league, a well above average player! You still don't realize that. You still don't realize that a player who can score 20 goals and 50 points is a valuable player! All you have to do is look around the league. See how many players each team has each season who has reached those totals? This is not a difficult concept to grasp!

If you want to argue that the regression scares you, maybe you'd have a point. This has nothing to do with an emotional connection. It has to do with simple fact.

 

[MJL66]

For a normal team. Sure. I’ve seen enough of this org to know drafting is just a slow death - unless they do a full house cleaning staff wise.

Might as well make it somewhat interesting.

The current path is slowly trudging through the swamp to nowhere.

More so for the Flyers, not less. What gives you any indication this team can make smart trades, free agent signings to elevate the team to contender status? Again, the focus is what is worse. Failed prospects or a failed, older capped out team. It's a no brainer. There is no getting around it. For this team to build a legit contender with an open window over a significant number of seasons. It's a 5-10 year process. You can't cheat that. If you try, you're only extending that period. 14 years and counting

 

[FlyerNutter]

More so for the Flyers, not less. What gives you any indication this team can make smart trades, free agent signings to elevate the team to contender status? Again, the focus is what is worse. Failed prospects or a failed, older capped out team. It's a no brainer. There is no getting around it. For this team to build a legit contender with an open window over a significant number of seasons. It's a 5-10 year process. You can't cheat that. If you try, you're only extending that period. 14 years and counting

I get your argument, but what have you seen that that makes you think they will draft their way to success?

Which of course is the correct model, but not with the men the Flyers seem far too comfortable to continuously employ.

I question their scouting accumen on the pro level as well, but to me that will at least be a quicker death - with a chance at some fun.

This current path is playing it safe in the middle, not rebuilding/not being aggressive - it’s just meh. The Briere era won’t be it anyway, the next GM (if we are so lucky) - will have to actually rebuild for one damn time. So at this point… entertain me.

 

[MJL66]

I get your argument, but what have you seen that that makes you think they will draft their way to success?

Which of course is the correct model, but not with the men the Flyers seem far too comfortable to continuously employ.

I question their scouting accumen on the pro level as well, but to me that will at least be a quicker death - with a chance at some fun.

This current path is playing it safe in the middle, not rebuilding/not being aggressive - it’s just meh. The Briere era won’t be it anyway, the next GM (if we are so lucky) - will have to actually rebuild for one damn time. So at this point… entertain me.

I don't see anything that makes me think they will draft their way to success. I just know that is the better way and it is more recoverable from mistakes. I'm not entertained by a playoff bubble team. I won't be fooled by that anymore

People get paid to do things like this for this team, wtf are they doing?

Clown show franchise.

In my opinion, they're being disingenous here. They just used their media pet to put out a false narrative. There isn't any paperwork issue. The emperor just isn't ready to put him in the lineup yet.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Danny Briere said they had interest in Pelletier going back to last year. Didn't put a claim in for him though.

 

[renberg]

I’ve seen enough of this org to know drafting is just a slow death - unless they do a full house cleaning staff wise.

It's past time for a full organizational evaluation and house cleaning. They haven't drafted well for over a decade. A look at who they've acquired as a FA or in trade doesn't show well either. So amateur and professional scouting is poor. There doesn't seem to be much professional growth with the players in the minors which indicates that the player development side is not doing well. The result of these situations is a lack of talent in the organization and an inability to compete in the League. It's what one would expect in an organization that has disinterested ownership.
Until Brian Roberts or one of the other PTB in Comcast steps in; shuts down the lack of accountability and puts this organization on the right track by jettisoning the people who have put the club in this level of disarray, the Flyers are going to be a dead hole in the local sports scene as well as the League. It all boils down to how much incompetence Comcast is willing to accept.

 

[BillDineen]

It’s not how I would build my team, but yeah.. honestly?

For the Flyers? Free agency, trades, and offer sheets make more sense. I’m about as down on their amateur scouting/development as can be. Only need to look at who they have infused into the league in the last 20 years to see that.

I do have some fears though with a more “traditional” Flyers approach to getting talent in. There were days when they chased Timonen, Pronger, Briere, Hartnell, Coburn. Hell I loved the Meazaros, and Gudas additions, etc.

Something happened with pro scouting though. We’ve been gifted Ristolainen, Hayes, Drysdale, Atkinson.

I’d have faith in their “traditional” approach if there was more recency with successfully targeting the right players.

Mike Eastwood is new (2yrs) of head of pro scouting. Brown and Fitzpatrick are still around, but at least Daniel has tried some new blood.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Mike Eastwood is new (2yrs) of head of pro scouting. Brown and Fitzpatrick are still around, but at least Daniel has tried some new blood.

This wouldn’t be the same Mike Eastwood that came over more or less from Anaheim with Murray would it?

I’ve got a hit list manifesto on all these bastards man

 

[BillDineen]

This wouldn’t be the same Mike Eastwood that came over more or less from Anaheim with Murray would it?

I’ve got a hit list manifesto on all these bastards man

It is

Mike Eastwood at eliteprospects.com

Eliteprospects.com staff profile of Mike Eastwood, 1967-07-01 Ottawa, ON, CAN Canada.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[Boocowski]

Lmao. Got it so be in the playoffs in 2027 actually meant in 2028 at the end of the 27-28 season. Super clear.

You should probably rewrite the rest if your original predictions with proper dating like anybody who wants to be taken seriously on a forum like this would (and would already know too)

Maybe you denoted seasons differently in whatever ball league you played hockey in.

Please please "don't take me seriously" cause you are just a rude joke.