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Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

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In light of the trade I took a look at thr unsigned Flyers prospects who might be on the way to replace Frost and Farabee.

Bump is tearing things up at Western Michigan (and Cole Knuble I'd also in the lineup as the Broncos have one of the top teams in college hockey).

Curious about what's going on with Owen McLaughlin at North Dakota. He was a point per game player as a sophomore but his numbers are way down this season. Is he injured? Different linemates?
 
Jersey Fan 12 said:
In light of the trade I took a look at thr unsigned Flyers prospects who might be on the way to replace Frost and Farabee.

Bump is tearing things up at Western Michigan (and Cole Knuble I'd also in the lineup as the Broncos have one of the top teams in college hockey).

Curious about what's going on with Owen McLaughlin at North Dakota. He was a point per game player as a sophomore but his numbers are way down this season. Is he injured? Different linemates?
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Re Owen McLaughlin, different linemates... Jackson Blake was a consistent linemate last year, and he's not playing for Carolina. Blake was the guy who made that line go (I used to watch a lot of ND last year to check on him)
 
I think this is ultimately the consequence of publicizing "rebuilding", then re-signing TK, thus begging to be be taken advantage of on your tweeners in order to afford TK.

Which to me, and should signal to even the most devout followers ( I have given GMDB a ton of latitude personally ) that the inmates are still running the asylum.

Additionally, the confusion that the "inmates" in the past we're just addicted to big money spending to be eternal middling contenders, and not just innately poor at asset management and public relations, is the single defining wedge issue on this board IMHO.

The only way the $ works in the future for a true rebuild is getting Couturier to waive his NMC. Because I can guarantee you, they are going to blow the room from the ceiling going up on something stupid.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
And this is really why it's not a rebuilding move and cannot be. Any building move should be aligning with Michkov's prime. Kuz doesn't. Pelletier is a 3rd liner, so who gives a shit, good teams can find those (and of higher quality) guys anywhere by robbing bad teams like the Flyers. The 2nd in a draft that isn't looking too strong is unlikely to yield anyone who is going to be effective on the roster before 2032, and the 7th won't.

It straight up is not a building move.
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We have to keep in mind what rebuilding is to the Flyers. Rebuilding is not concentrating on the draft. We know from past history, they will only sit still for so long patiently. This deal in their mind is for rebuilding. It gives them a lot of cap flexibility in the future. Where they can get back in the game in wheeling and dealing. That's how they rebuild. It's work so well to this point, what could go wrong?
 
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Beef Invictus said:
Because if he's good then he has value to sell? He's still playing below his contract and on any other team is a 3rd liner. This is an opportunity to sell high. He's 30. He's irrelevant to Michkov's prime.

We have Sanheim and Seeler. That's enough.
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There are so many fans who don't have a clue of what a good defenseman actually is. They look at Ristolainen, who went from being completely awful to now being able to make the routine play and say, wow he is good now. What an improvement. He went from a player who used to be able to put up 40 points, which was his best attribute. To a defenseman who plays a routine game and is now an overpaid 3rd pair defenseman on a good team. They don't understand what a good defenseman actually does. Tilts the ice to their side. Ristolainen plays in a conservative, tight checking defensive structure where everyone has to stay on the defensive side of the puck. It's equivalent to having a dog that constantly ran away, putting him on a leash and tying him up and saying you trained him not to run away. If you put him in a more aggressive attacking system, like good teams play, especially if you overuse him. That extreme lack of hockey sense will again rear its ugly head.
 
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GKJ said:
I don’t care that they traded Frost, it was painfully evident that he wasn’t part of the future almost as soon as Torts was hired, so the problem is he should’ve been moved a year and a half ago when we all knew it.
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A smarter team could have pumped up the value of F&F with better usage while also looking to move them to get younger/free up cap space. The Flyers are dumb as rocks, though.
 
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I don't know if I've seen it in this thread but I love some of the commentary or articles trying to defend this move by saying it's making way for a bigger trade. Like we're about to acquire a big valuable piece but in order to do that first we have to trade two roster players for two worse roster players so that we can maybe trade those guys at the deadline for picks. Just trade the better guys for better picks first wtf I hate this team
 
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WiredInFlya said:
I think this is ultimately the consequence of publicizing "rebuilding", then re-signing TK, thus begging to be be taken advantage of on your tweeners in order to afford TK.

Which to me, and should signal to even the most devout followers ( I have given GMDB a ton of latitude personally ) that the inmates are still running the asylum.

Additionally, the confusion that the "inmates" in the past we're just addicted to big money spending to be eternal middling contenders, and not just innately poor at asset management and public relations, is the single defining wedge issue on this board IMHO.

The only way the $ works in the future for a true rebuild is getting Couturier to waive his NMC. Because I can guarantee you, they are going to blow the room from the ceiling going up on something stupid.
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If they wanted cap space, it made a hell of a lot more sense to try to move Coots.

They would have had to add to make it happen, hell probably even retain - but that was the logical point for cap savings if you wanted them.

I’d have more faith in Farabee rebounding than Sean.
 
DrinkFightFlyers said:
I don't know if I've seen it in this thread but I love some of the commentary or articles trying to defend this move by saying it's making way for a bigger trade. Like we're about to acquire a big valuable piece but in order to do that first we have to trade two roster players for two worse roster players so that we can maybe trade those guys at the deadline for picks. Just trade the better guys for better picks first wtf I hate this team
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Yeah it's idiotic thinking.

If we traded for a BETTER return. That BETTER return could be part of this magical bigger deal.

Reality is the say they are a rebuilding team that needs a C, and they just traded their youngest C and top scoring C, for an awful return.

But Torts is happy, and that is what matters.
 
Curufinwe said:
A smarter team could have pumped up the value of F&F with better usage while also looking to move them to get younger/free up cap space. The Flyers are dumb as rocks, though.
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I agree but that wasn't going to happen since the person in charge of usage was sandbagging one of them.
So this was a stupid trade, we've beat that too death, this is basically Briere making up for his inability to close the Sanheim deal.

Now I'm afraid they are gearing up for something even more stupider then previous stupidity like trading our "stockpile" for EP.
 
iceman42 said:
I agree but that wasn't going to happen since the person in charge of usage was sandbagging one of them.
So this was a stupid trade, we've beat that too death, this is basically Briere making up for his inability to close the Sanheim deal.

Now I'm afraid they are gearing up for something even more stupider then previous stupidity like trading our "stockpile" for EP.
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Can’t see them targeting EP. Even if he was still available which I doubt, he’s not the kind of guy they go after. Too little motor they will say.

Think the strategy is on display. Free agency will be a huge acquisition closet they go into. Jones has said multiple times about wanting to make them a destination players choose, and they are clearing cap space.

The same free agency where most mistakes are often made. Sigh.
 
says its about the cap flexibility - doesn't mean somethings going to happen in the next few weeks or months
 
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