Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wont he retain it eventho he waived this time

Unless something changed in the last few years, it's up to the team acquiring the player to decide if they want to honor it but they don't have to.

Which it very likely did because I haven't paid attention to the in's and out's for years now. Damn kids.

 

[Danko]

Good for Frost and Farabee to get a shot elsewhere. They sold low on both players. The time to trade them was defnitely not right now.

They are opening Salary cap for something, however I don't think they have the assets unless your trading first rounders, prospects and even then who would you make a trade with.

Expecting a Noah Cates extension at any moment.

I do like picking up another 2nd

 

[Cody Webster]

Flyers put this talking point out to their minions. Once again, ASF and DiMarco talk about the same thing right around the same time (18 months to be contenders the other day).

The cap is going up to 97 million next year... according to some, that 5 million is nothing

 

[BernieParent]

I can just imagine how the end of the trade conversation went:

Craig: so, my 2 guys and a 2nd for Farabee and Frost?

Danny: we’ll also need a 2nd in 26

Craig: no

Danny: um, a 4th in 27?

Craig: no

Danny: how bout a 6th in 28?

Craig: Fine, a 7th in 28 it is.

Danny: DEAL!

I'm thinking that Briere started the conversation with "What is the bare minimum that you can give me to make it look like an actual hockey trade?"

 

[GapToothedWonder]

It won't surprise me if Kuzmenko starts scoring points along with Michkov at the crazy level after the trade. Whether this is good or bad is another question.

Give me a number so I can judge you when this looks ridiculous in whatever time frame you would like to pick.

 

[Lord Defect]

I'm thinking that Briere started the conversation with "What is the bare minimum that you can give me to make it look like an actual hockey trade?"

And then negotiated them down in price

 

[phillyjawn]

with the lack of center depth, I wonder what their plan is for the rest of the year??

like are you just gonna run

Couturier
Laughton
Cates
Abols

that looks ugly...

 

[Lord Defect]

with the lack of center depth, I wonder what their plan is for the rest of the year??

like are you just gonna run

Couturier
Laughton
Cates
Abols

that looks ugly...

You mean Laughton cates abols coots

 

[JojoTheWhale]

with the lack of center depth, I wonder what their plan is for the rest of the year??

like are you just gonna run

Couturier
Laughton
Cates
Abols

that looks ugly...

You are entirely correct, but it also has the potential to be so much worse. Your 1C was the 4C last game…

 

[kudymen]

scored (check my notes) 0 goals the last two games.
How can they be worse with them gone?

Did you just put very short term impact on games (not representative of their long term impact) in the same line of reasoning as long term impact of shipping them out?

 

[deadhead]

I think we need to be clear here that the failing in the return did not happen today. They helped destroy both players’ trade value via mismanagement over many years. Any idiot can take whatever the highest bidder is today. How you navigate getting there shows you organizational competence.

The players destroyed their value without help.

There are times when players are buried on a roster and just need to go somewhere else and get a chance to play, Verhaeghe, Tippett, etc. This ain't it.

Farabee hasn't been the same since his neck injury, he needed to add strength, if anything, he's slightly weaker. Surgery was June 2022. This is the third season since and he's regressed. I think they thought he'd struggle the first year, and get stronger and more confident in it the second season. So did I. Obviously, that didn't happen. Just bad luck. No one's fault. He's smart, he tries, he's just not the same player.

Frost blossomed under Torts, 27th pick has 18-23 41 ES points at 23 and the arrow looks like it's pointed up.
Next two seasons he gets the best forwards, yet while he improved defensively, his offense regressed.
Watching him, there's "no there there," there's nothing bad about his play other than being soft (gets knocked off the puck on a regular basis), but there's nothing that stands out either. He's competent, he's got decent hockey IQ but nothing special, he a passenger on the PP. He tests faster than he plays. Torts didn't "ruin him." He is what he is. He's a 3C.

 

[Curufinwe]

Farabee has negative value and Frost was not working in this system under this coach.

Interesting comparing production of the regular forwards between Calgary and Philly since the start of 22-23. The Flyers removed their 3rd and 4th top scorers, who scored at about the same rate as Calgary's 3rd and 4th top scorers.

Konecny - 187 points (134 ES, 37 PP, 16 SH) in 189 games (0.99 P/GP)
Tippett - 132 points (106 ES, 26 PP) in 207 games (0.64)
Frost - 112 points (89 ES, 23 PP) in 201 games (0.56)
Farabee - 108 points (96 ES, 12 PP) in 214 games (0.50)
Laughton - 107 (76 ES, 14 PP, 17 PP) points in 210 games (0.51)
Cates - 78 points (64 ES, 10 PP, 4 SH) in 190 games (0.41)

Kadri - 165 points (114 ES, 51 PP) in 214 games (0.77 P/GP)
Huberdeau - 143 points (95 ES, 45 PP, 3 SH) in 210 games (0.68)
Coleman - 121 points (104 ES, 7 PP, 10 SH) in 210 games (0.58)
Backlund - 116 points (89 ES, 20 PP, 7 SH) in 214 games (0.54)

 

[deadhead]

Did you just put very short term impact on games (not representative of their long term impact) in the same line of reasoning as long term impact of shipping them out?

It's a joke. That's why I put that meme there.

 

[VladDrag]

Where did you hear this? And when?

From SanFillippo...

Frost, 25, has 25 points in 49 games this season. He is in the second year of a $4.2 million contract with an AAV of $2.1 million. He will be a restricted free agent in the summer, but sources said the Flyers weren't interested in signing him to a new deal.

ASF is reporting it the other way around, The Flyers were not interested in signing Frost to a new deal.

Flyers start selling by trading Joel Farabee and Morgan Frost to Calgary | OnPattison

The Flyers traded two young forwards to the Calgary Flames following their 3-0 loss to the New York Islanders on Thursday.

onpattison.com

 

[Kshahdoo]

Give me a number so I can judge you when this looks ridiculous in whatever time frame you would like to pick.

It already happened twice, and as we say in Russia, the God loves when it's triple...

 

[kudymen]

Watching Farabee, I don't think there's ... upside ..., don't know if it was the neck injury, but two years later ...

Hm. I wonder what change occurred on the organizational level 2 years ago.

 

[BernieParent]

I don’t want to actually read what people are saying about this trade that think this is a good move, but I’m still curious to see how they can fathom that this is a good trade.

The main themes are hating Frost, getting out of Farabee's contract, and hating Frost.

 

[Lord Defect]

Interesting comparing production of the regular forwards between Calgary and Philly since the start of 22-23. The Flyers removed their 3rd and 4th top scorers, who scored at about the same rate as Calgary's 3rd and 4th top scorers.

Konecny - 187 points (134 ES, 37 PP, 16 SH) in 189 games (0.99 P/GP)
Tippett - 132 points (106 ES, 26 PP) in 207 games (0.64)
Frost - 112 points (89 ES, 23 PP) in 201 games (0.56)
Farabee - 108 points (96 ES, 12 PP) in 214 games (0.50)
Laughton - 107 (76 ES, 14 PP, 17 PP) points in 210 games (0.51)
Cates - 78 points (64 ES, 10 PP, 4 SH)in 190 games (0.41)

Kadri - 165 points (114 ES, 51 PP) in 214 games (0.77 P/GP)
Huberdeau - 143 points (95 ES, 45 PP, 3 SH) in 210 games (0.68)
Coleman - 121 points (104 ES, 7 PP, 10 SH) in 210 games (0.58)
Backlund - 116 points (89 ES, 20 PP, 7 SH) in 214 games (0.54)

Where do the two pieces we got in return fall?

 

[kudymen]

It's a joke. That's why I put that meme there.

Lame cop out.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The players destroyed their value without help.

From a random idiot, I would say nothing to this. You’re an intelligent person. You know as well as I do that neither the player nor the team is ever blameless in these things. We can argue about the percentages and reasonably disagree just fine. I’m not discussing anything this detached from reality.

 

[Cody Webster]

I see the spin cycle kicked into high gear once the trade became official from our resident dead head

 

[Lord Defect]

The main themes are hating Frost, getting out of Farabee's contract, and hating Frost.

But how do they justify the return or lackthereof ?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

But how do they justify the return or lackthereof ?

"There has to be something else coming." "Cap space." "Preparing for an offer sheet."

Pure delusion.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Sleeping on it, IDGAF about Farabee or Frost. About the return. These idiots are never going to do anything worth a damn with late first rounders. That’s a sad reality, but is what it is.

It’s a poor decision, poor trade - but not a crippling one.

The worst part of this, is you’ve got no buffer between Torts - and Michkov now. He’s directly in the crosshairs, and there are no human shields left with Joel, and Morgan gone.

Briere is a POS, but Torts remains the most likely one to cause harm.

 

[deadhead]

Here's how 3rd party sees it:

Frost is a talented, slick playmaker, but there’s a reason Philadelphia, which is desperately starved for top-six centers, is happily moving on from him. The 25-year-old was pretty sheltered, matchups-wise, during his time with the Flyers. He doesn’t play a heavy, competitive game and is an inconsistent player. Frost is still a worthwhile bet for the Flames because there’s very little risk, and they could use another top-nine center. However, I’d expect Farabee to be the more impactful player in the long term.

NHL trade grades: Flames bet on upside, Flyers hope for short-term Andrei Kuzmenko spark

The Flames made a cheap upgrade in their pursuit of a playoff spot, but will Kuzmenko contribute for Philadelphia?

www.nytimes.com