Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Hollywood Cannon]

Trade was probably made to protect emperor torts from his amazing teaching move of benching michkov

Nah, it was a message to Michkov that you’re next.

He’s offed Hayes, Frost, and Farabee now. All players that Torts had issues with. Throw Provorov in there too.

 

[flyersnorth]

Woke up to a text from my daughter saying "I'm gonna miss Frost ... and Farabee too."

My first thought was, "the beautiful bastard pulled it off. We're getting EP."

I can't overstate the letdown when I saw the trade details.

I imagine this is a pre-requisite to something else. Maybe getting Pettersson... but then you just traded away two of your best trade chips in a nothing move?

Maybe Tippett would be part of an EP deal, but now that he's injured, it changes the order of things.

All I know is that in isolation, this trade is pretty awful.

 

[Chinatown88]

They won't tank. There's always the patented late season win streak that screws them over. What if they flip all the 1st rounders for Petterson and call the rebuild done? They haven't done anything in a good while to earn the benefit of the doubt.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Nah, it was a message to Michkov that you’re next.

He’s offed Hayes, Frost, and Farabee now. All players that Torts had issues with. Throw Provorov in there too.

I still believe Michkov will be sooner traded than Laughton.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The thing I don’t get about this board is that people here have been clamoring for a tank job and when the Flyers make what looks to be a horrible trade, they don’t see the silver lining that maybe this is the goal. Maybe Briere has come to the understanding that the team needs to finish bottom 5 -7 to get a top center in the draft either through lottery luck, packaging picks to move into the top 5.
The move also clears cap space for the off season and beyond. I believe both JP and AK contracts run out this year.
Trying to look at this positively, this could be a cap dump and tank in one move.
I’m looking for the best. My wife says I am a pessimist, a glass half empty guy. I say I am a pragmatist. I wonder if she still would think of me as a pessimist after reading this board LOL.
Let’s all hope that they are tanking and clearing space for something wonderful to come.

I don’t give a single solitary shit if they tank or not. I want signs that there is a coherent plan. I was fine Offer Sheeting Pettersson. I don’t care if they trade Michkov as long as the return makes sense.

A coherent plan is not what they did with Gauthier, last year’s earlyish 1st, the Edmonton boondoggle, or this obsession with culture. I want a reason to believe they get it. That their top-down process is sound. Even if it doesn’t work out, that’s fine. It happens.

 

[mr figgles]

The thing I don’t get about this board is that people here have been clamoring for a tank job and when the Flyers make what looks to be a horrible trade, they don’t see the silver lining that maybe this is the goal. Maybe Briere has come to the understanding that the team needs to finish bottom 5 -7 to get a top center in the draft either through lottery luck, packaging picks to move into the top 5.
The move also clears cap space for the off season and beyond. I believe both JP and AK contracts run out this year.
Trying to look at this positively, this could be a cap dump and tank in one move.
I’m looking for the best. My wife says I am a pessimist, a glass half empty guy. I say I am a pragmatist. I wonder if she still would think of me as a pessimist after reading this board LOL.
Let’s all hope that they are tanking and clearing space for something wonderful to come.

They could make a good trade for futures and get worse for a tank at the same time. Instead they got a cap dump, a 2nd, and a future fixture for the 4th line in Peltsy.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Hate to see Joel go but he just could not get it together here. As for Frost I could careless about him, way to many games he is just a no show. He has tools but no tool box. This team needs a true #1C and needs to get bigger and more tenacious on the puck. With 7 picks in the first two rounds right now he can do both.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don’t give a single solitary shit if they tank or not. I want signs that there is a coherent plan. I was fine Offer Sheeting Pettersson.

A coherent plan is not what they did with Gauthier, last year’s earlyish 1st, the Edmonton boondoggle, or this obsession with culture. I want a reason to believe they get it. That their top-down process is sound. Even if it doesn’t work out, that’s fine. It happens.

All I want is for them to trade one single player that the coach didn’t have issues with or the organization didn’t have issues with.

I’ve been asking for two years now.

Haven’t gotten it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

All I want is for them to trade one single player that the coach didn’t have issues with or the organization didn’t have issues with.

I’ve been asking for two years now.

Haven’t gotten it.

You’re not going to get it. Blood from a stone. They’ve returned to their cult roots and dug in further. It will probably keep working for the core fanbase for another 5-10 years at minimum. They need to believe. It’s part of their self identity.

 

[sa cyred]

They def saw Torts and Michkov arguing in the 2nd period last night and was like "SHIT WE NEED TO GET MICHKOV HIS FRIEND OR HES GONNA BAIL".

Instead of you know... firing the coach that argues with everyone.

 

[Lord Defect]

Honestly, the only way I accept this trade is if it's an actual means to tank for Hagens.

Flyers have basically no more center depth. They had center issues and traded their current best one for this...

They still could have gotten a better return as part of the tank. This is bad all around. There’s zero positive to it.

 

[renberg]

And here comes the Deflection Squad:

Contracts probably played into this. Frost wanted out of here and refused to negotiate with the Flyers. I think that Gauthier’s agency, KO Sports, represents Farabee and the Flyers don’t want to deal with them.
The impact of the deal on the room will be interesting. The guys have to see what a snake Tortorella is. Either they kiss his ass or are gone. Then they also see what a loser of a coach he is with his on the ice product. After going on three seasons, the club is no better than it was when he was hired. The only thing that the Flyers lead the league in is player-coach confrontations.
And by the way, the fans can pay more for tix to watch this clown show next season.

 

[Lord Defect]

With Farabee and Frost in the lineup, they scored (check my notes) 0 goals the last two games.
How can they be worse with them gone?

Watching Farabee, I don't think there's much upside left, don't know if it was the neck injury, but two years later he's a 3LW who does nothing wrong but little that stands out. This is not Sharp who was buried and never got a chance, this is a guy who started for six years.

Same with Frost, who started for four years. What you see is probably what you get.

They'll be a nice 3rd line for a team fighting to get into the playoffs.

But it's obvious Briere is selling, and they are not top 6 forwards in a rebuild.

Just wish the return was better.

A 2 game sample size is enough now?
In that lengthy two game stretch, who has scored?
Does that mean everyone can be traded if they don’t score within two games?

 

[Larry44]

FYI, the Canadian media take...

Flames GM Craig Conroy hits home run on trade with Flyers: 'I'm excited'

And wouldn't be complete without Frank calling it a 'master class' by Conroy.

 

[deadhead]

You realize that is the board’s ENTIRE problem with this, right?

No. Some actually think Frost is miraculously going to become Aho now that he's away from Torts.

I don't mind the players gone, I don't like the return.

I think Briere has a "type," if you're not a big physical player, he wants feisty smurfs like himself, TK is a good example, Brink has accepted the challenge. As the NHL gets faster and forechecking more intense (Red Queen response to rules allowing less clutching and hooking), and goalies keep improving (good goalies almost never allow scoring off unscreened shots) smaller players can't just rely on skill unless they're elite, they have to go to the dirty areas.

When Brink plays a more physical game than you, you're probably history.

Pelletier fits the mold, but given his injury history, he's probably 2nd round value.
He was on waivers due to injury, and no one wanted to take a chance on him given his size (including Zito, who usually jumps on these guys).
Then he got healthy and took his game up a notch.
2.4 GAR in 24 games.

Crazy thing with Kuzmenko is his advanced metrics aren't bad for a guy who takes games off, it's his offense that goes in the toilet when he's struggling. Usually the opposite.
When he's on, he's really good:
2022-23: GAR 18.0, xGAR 28.0
2023-24: GAR 15.2, xGAR 11.6
2024-25: GAR 0.0, xGAR 0.0

 

[CerpinTaxt]

The thing I don’t get about this board is that people here have been clamoring for a tank job and when the Flyers make what looks to be a horrible trade, they don’t see the silver lining that maybe this is the goal. Maybe Briere has come to the understanding that the team needs to finish bottom 5 -7 to get a top center in the draft either through lottery luck, packaging picks to move into the top 5.
The move also clears cap space for the off season and beyond. I believe both JP and AK contracts run out this year.
Trying to look at this positively, this could be a cap dump and tank in one move.
I’m looking for the best. My wife says I am a pessimist, a glass half empty guy. I say I am a pragmatist. I wonder if she still would think of me as a pessimist after reading this board LOL.
Let’s all hope that they are tanking and clearing space for something wonderful to come.

Thing is this was not a trade to tank, and if it was they tanked the trade. They don't believe in tanking and they've stated as much plenty of times. The silver lining is that this should cater on ice performance even further and get them into better draft position.

I don’t give a single solitary shit if they tank or not. I want signs that there is a coherent plan. I was fine Offer Sheeting Pettersson. I don’t care if they trade Michkov as long as the return makes sense.

A coherent plan is not what they did with Gauthier, last year’s earlyish 1st, the Edmonton boondoggle, or this obsession with culture. I want a reason to believe they get it. That their top-down process is sound. Even if it doesn’t work out, that’s fine. It happens.

If you view anything they do with your culture glasses on then all moves make sense.

 

[Tripod]

With Farabee and Frost in the lineup, they scored (check my notes) 0 goals the last two games.
How can they be worse with them gone?

Watching Farabee, I don't think there's much upside left, don't know if it was the neck injury, but two years later he's a 3LW who does nothing wrong but little that stands out. This is not Sharp who was buried and never got a chance, this is a guy who started for six years.

Same with Frost, who started for four years. What you see is probably what you get.

They'll be a nice 3rd line for a team fighting to get into the playoffs.

But it's obvious Briere is selling, and they are not top 6 forwards in a rebuild.

Just wish the return was better.

Just so you know, your account was hacked last night.

There was a few reasonable posts and disbelief that this was the actual deal. Even thought there HAD to be a 1st and prospect coming back.

But now I see you have full control again and are ball polishing.

 

[Curufinwe]

Really happy for Frost. I thought maybe Toronto could use him, but Calgary might have a better chance of winning playoff rounds if they get in.

When Vancouver finally make the trade I could see the team imploding.

 

[Lord Defect]

The thing I don’t get about this board is that people here have been clamoring for a tank job and when the Flyers make what looks to be a horrible trade, they don’t see the silver lining that maybe this is the goal. Maybe Briere has come to the understanding that the team needs to finish bottom 5 -7 to get a top center in the draft either through lottery luck, packaging picks to move into the top 5.
The move also clears cap space for the off season and beyond. I believe both JP and AK contracts run out this year.
Trying to look at this positively, this could be a cap dump and tank in one move.
I’m looking for the best. My wife says I am a pessimist, a glass half empty guy. I say I am a pragmatist. I wonder if she still would think of me as a pessimist after reading this board LOL.
Let’s all hope that they are tanking and clearing space for something wonderful to come.

Because you could have gotten a better return than this pile of dogshit while tanking.
Trading frost and farabee is not the issue. It’s the return.

 

[mr figgles]

The only positive of this is that it’s the most interesting thing to happen all season.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Pelletier fits the mold, but given his injury history, he's probably 2nd round value.
He was on waivers due to injury, and no one wanted to take a chance on him given his size (including Zito, who usually jumps on these guys).
Then he got healthy and took his game up a notch.
2.4 GAR in 24 games.

I want proof of life. This cannot be a person.

I don’t have any problems with acquiring Pelletier at all. If this was anyone other than a player the Flyers traded for, you would be calling him a sheltered Smurf and explaining how Waivers ended his career. Somewhere deep down inside, you know it too.

 

[Curufinwe]

All I want is for them to trade one single player that the coach didn’t have issues with or the organization didn’t have issues with.

I’ve been asking for two years now.

Haven’t gotten it.

Couturier would also have been traded by now if he had two years left instead of five. Danny would have swallowed half of the cap hit just to make his weasel coach happy.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Is this guy any good? Trading two first rounders doesn’t happen often. I’ve never heard of him and sounds like he is a scratch

Which guy? The 29 year old pending UFA or the the guy that cleared waivers a few months ago?

 

[deadhead]

Just so you know, your account was hacked last night.

There was a few reasonable posts and disbelief that this was the actual deal. Even thought there HAD to be a 1st and prospect coming back.

But now I see you have full control again and are ball polishing.

Said I don't like the return, I'd want a 1st and a top prospect (Honzek or Henry B).

But don't care that Frost and Farabee are gone, watching the games all season, it's obvious they're a bad fit to what they're trying to build. I think Farabee has never fully recovered from his neck injury and simply lacks strength, and Frost has always been a soft player, competent, but lacks "true grit." He's been sheltered for a while.

People complain about veterans blocking players, well, Frost and Farabee were veterans with no future with this team. So you should be happy.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No. Some actually think Frost is miraculously going to become Aho now that he's away from Torts.

I don't mind the players gone, I don't like the return.

I think Briere has a "type," if you're not a big physical player, he wants feisty smurfs like himself, TK is a good example, Brink has accepted the challenge. As the NHL gets faster and forechecking more intense (Red Queen response to rules allowing less clutching and hooking), and goalies keep improving (good goalies almost never allow scoring off unscreened shots) smaller players can't just rely on skill unless they're elite, they have to go to the dirty areas.

When Brink plays a more physical game than you, you're probably history.

Pelletier fits the mold, but given his injury history, he's probably 2nd round value.
He was on waivers due to injury, and no one wanted to take a chance on him given his size (including Zito, who usually jumps on these guys).
Then he got healthy and took his game up a notch.
2.4 GAR in 24 games.

Crazy thing with Kuzmenko is his advanced metrics aren't bad for a guy who takes games off, it's his offense that goes in the toilet when he's struggling. Usually the opposite.
When he's on, he's really good:
2022-23: GAR 18.0, xGAR 28.0
2023-24: GAR 15.2, xGAR 11.6
2024-25: GAR 0.0, xGAR 0.0

They expect him to be the same exact player he’s been here but without having an authoritarian ready to jump on him at every second.

Again, you say you’re upset about the return and not the players being gone. That’s the same as everyone else. Hell, I’ve argued with you that Farabee is nothing special.

The only talk here of people being upset about the players being gone is tied to the reasoning they were the ones singled out. They didn’t do this for the right reasons nor get right return.

P.S. Can we get acknowledgment that Briere is that stupid?