PhilJets
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Helly had the same amount of wins as Colorado and Edmonton
their position plays a lot more in a team success than 1 forward skaters.
But i understand points and goals are the sexy stats..
More MVP Worthy Player: Mackinnon, Kuch or Drai?
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their position plays a lot more in a team success than 1 forward skaters.
But i understand points and goals are the sexy stats..
PhilJets
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can you calculate now minutes played by each players
to see who actually played more
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Dmen really get the short end of the stick in these MVP awards. Last one was Pronger in 2000 and the one after that Orr in 1972.
Goalies don't usually win shit either. Unless you are a forward good luck with that.
PhilJets
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To fair Comrie was doing very good now.
but initially the first half ot the year. He couldn’t win the Jets games,
But yeah
Hopefully he gets to be part of Jennings.
But still 3 games
the Kings can pull all shutouts of their remaining games
I'd probably want to also look at how much Jets opponents possess the puck per game, because my guess is Hellebuyck is sitting at the other end of the ice doing nothing for about half of each game he plays, if not morecan you calculate now minutes played by each players
to see who actually played more
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I still think the top 2 players that were the combination best players and most valuable to their team were Draisaitl and Mackinnon this season. I think Hellebuyck and even Makar have reasonable arguments as well. I think all things considered Draisaitl should still win the Hart regardless of missing games. No one in the league scoring 10 or 12 more points was more valuable to the success of their team then Draisaitl was in my opinion. I think Draisaitl was the overall best player in the NHL this season as well. I thought Mackinnon was the best player in the NHL and most valuable to his team last season. We will see how the voters view things this season.
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I don't disagree, but I don't believe any of them would prioritize winning a regular season award over winning the Cup. The Cup is the only goal that really matters.
I've decided my vote, Pasta (for the memes and also because his nickname is food, I never eat pasta but I enjoy food)
There's a difference between not being known for defensive play, and being one of the worst defensive forwards in modern NHL history
I think if Bos was in the race at all Pasta would be my front runner.
Remarkable season pretty much by himself.
Not all teams get the benefit on a phantom 5 on 3 to avoid losing in the first round
Hellebuyck SV .925 GAA 1.99
Comrie SV .913 GAA 2.36
Kuemper SV .922 GAA 2.01
Rittich SV .889 GAA 2.71
Vasilevsky SV .921 GAA 2.17
Johansson SV .901 GAA 3.03
First of all, despite Hellebuyck leading all goalie stats, the other finalists are very close. He is not dominant.
Secondly, his backup has much better numbers than the other finalists, which tells you that it's more about the team defense, the Jets have a good one.
Thirdly, he plays on a strong offensive team, top 3 in goals, top 2 PP. It's not like he is carrying a team with 1-0 wins. Even the last game, a shotout is cool, but it's 4-0, what would have changed if he had allowed 1 or even 2 goals? Nothing
He deserved the Vezina, but he definitely didn't deserve the Hart Trophy.
Comrie SV .913 GAA 2.36
Kuemper SV .922 GAA 2.01
Rittich SV .889 GAA 2.71
Vasilevsky SV .921 GAA 2.17
Johansson SV .901 GAA 3.03
First of all, despite Hellebuyck leading all goalie stats, the other finalists are very close. He is not dominant.
Secondly, his backup has much better numbers than the other finalists, which tells you that it's more about the team defense, the Jets have a good one.
Thirdly, he plays on a strong offensive team, top 3 in goals, top 2 PP. It's not like he is carrying a team with 1-0 wins. Even the last game, a shotout is cool, but it's 4-0, what would have changed if he had allowed 1 or even 2 goals? Nothing
He deserved the Vezina, but he definitely didn't deserve the Hart Trophy.
It's obviously crazy but most guys who don't make the playoffs are disqualified from MVP talk. Much less a guy whose team is in last. Since 1960, only one guy who missed the playoffs has won Hart and it was Mario in a year where he outscored 2nd place Gretzky by 19 points and scored 70 goals (14 more than second place Craig Simpson). Pasta is having a great year but anyone who thinks he should be taking votes away from Drai Kuch Helle and Mack is delusional. He doesn't even deserve a third place vote in my view.
Kucherov is average at worst if that's who you're referring to. 45% EV D on JFresh. Mackinnon is in the 20s somewhere...
Not all teams get the benefit of having Nathan MacKinnon 120 feet off the bench when Kadri scores an overtime winner with 5 other guys on the ice with him in a cup final game where the statkeepers literally had to decide whether or not 6 guys would get a +1 on their plus/minus because their software registered 6 players on the offensive side of center ice with no one within 30 yards of the bench, but you don't see people holding that against Colorado.
Let’s just pull up ice time totals these line mates have compared to drai…Yea, he can produce with Raanta, he can produce with Nescas.... Anyone.
MacKinnon's most common linemates are Raanta/Necas - Lehkonen, Draisaitl most common linemates are Arvidsson- Podkolzin
Can we remove the TOI when Kuch MacKinnon and Drai are standing watching while pinching?I'd probably want to also look at how much Jets opponents possess the puck per game, because my guess is Hellebuyck is sitting at the other end of the ice doing nothing for about half of each game he plays, if not more
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Uh-oh. You better send your poor analysis to FanDuel! Things are going off the rails!
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I'd still have it as Draisaitl. Missing a few games may have hurt his chances, but he is definitively more valuable to his team than Kucherov or MacKinnon IMO. And yes, Draisaitl has been better than McDavid this season.
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2 is better than one
He's not even "easily" the best d-man in the league, much less overall player.
Seems disingenuous to include power-play time.
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I dunno, kinda seems like his most common linemates are McDavid and Hyman. The GF column is pretty telling on who he produces most of his numbers with.
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