More horrible player: Bouillon or Murray?

[Natey]

Bouillon can't do ****, he is not a NHL player anymore. Only thing he can do is to score own goals - see last game against Boston.

Boston must be very happy to see Bouillon in the lineup, he is great help for the Bruins.

Therrien must have seen that poor play because Boo only got about 9 minutes last game, his least of the playoffs.

He was surprisingly okay (mostly covered by Weaver) up until yesterday.

Hopefully Beaulieu comes in, but it's Therrien, so if there's any change, it'll be Murray.

 

[Kriss E]

As of now, I'll say Bouillon. 'Cause Murray serves a purpose. I don't see Frankie's purpose right now.

I'll say the opposite actually. Murray hasn't played a game since April 10th, he only played twice in April as well. 2 games in one month? For an already slow vet? I doubt his timing is there, and it wasn't awesome to begin with.

 

[Whitesnake]

I'll say the opposite actually. Murray hasn't played a game since April 10th, he only played twice in April as well. 2 games in one month? For an already slow vet? I doubt his timing is there, and it wasn't awesome to begin with.

Well, nowhere in there do I say I want him in. Question is, who is the most horrible player. I would want neither near the ice. My choices to play are Beaulieu, than Tinordi, than Murray. So I'm not at Murray yet. Still, Murray serves the purpose of playing the PK and being tough in front of the net. Bouillon's only purpose is his experience and he hasn't been great at using it lately.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

I'll say the opposite actually. Murray hasn't played a game since April 10th, he only played twice in April as well. 2 games in one month? For an already slow vet? I doubt his timing is there, and it wasn't awesome to begin with.

Has actually been a strength of his for his entire career. It's why getting caught sticking out the arm on that hit (a timing, or perhaps rather reaction, thing) is the first such example involving him, and a surprise to all, and why his pinches are successful much more often than not.

 

[Tyson]

Heck with those 2, Tinordi played all 5 playoff games last year. He is better than both those guys.

 

[VAN-HAB]

Therrien must have seen that poor play because Boo only got about 9 minutes last game, his least of the playoffs.

He was surprisingly okay (mostly covered by Weaver) up until yesterday.

Hopefully Beaulieu comes in, but it's Therrien, so if there's any change, it'll be Murray.

 

[JAVO16]

Has actually been a strength of his for his entire career. It's why getting caught sticking out the arm on that hit (a timing, or perhaps rather reaction, thing) is the first such example involving him, and a surprise to all, and why his pinches are successful much more often than not.

The guy pinches a lot because he's too slow to recover from the slightest error in positioning. He's obviously developed some ability to pinch because of that through necessity, but it's just another way in which he can be taken advantage of.

 

[Rapala]

Heck with those 2, Tinordi played all 5 playoff games last year. He is better than both those guys.

You know i completely forgot about that.
You are right but the team looked at last years result as an unmitigated disaster.
Both our Kids are in a no win situation MT won't even look at them until it's too late.
Heck I'm not convinced he changes anything on the D.
We all assume Cube is coming out of the line up.
I assumed he wouldn't play past the N.Y. Rangers.
If Cube does come out it's probably Murray...

 

[Athletique_Canadien]

I'm not voting since every player is valuable to our depth. What happens if 2 D's go down? Murray is still an asset even though he's eating hotdogs. Who cares about Murray's concerns to us or lack thereof? Why are we criticizing the reserves when we are taking on the juggernaut of the NHL?

MT is set with his pairings & I doubt he'll change up. Bouillon made a mistake in game 2 but it seems MT's style is to swing to vets over younger players. Although, MT surprised me. I was impressed he inserted Bournival in over Moen in game 2. Maybe Moen was injured in game 1...still though. MT is likely to stay with his lineup since they played 110 minutes of excellent hockey on the road & Price did the rest

 

[marvelousmotion]

Murray.

Can't get over the people clamouring for his return. We get dominated, outskated, and outshot 2 games in a row, the solution to some is to dress a pylon who can't skate or move the puck.

You're alone in your bubble, I don't think there's a single person on this board who claims that Murray is the one man solution to beat the Bruins.

What he is though, is a better option than Bouillon. Here are some reasons why:

• He is the only player on this team who plays with a mean streak, clears the crease effectively and can stand toe to toe with players like Lucic and Thornton (Tinordi is getting stronger but he's not there yet). On the other hand, other players on the team can do what Bouillon does (and arguably better, i.e. Beaulieu).
  
  
• He is clearly a much better hitter and shot-blocker, two very important aspects in playoffs hockey. Murray in 53 regular season games: 144 Hits, 115 Blocks. Bouillon in 52 regular season games: 80 hits, 70 blocks.
  
  
• He is a rock and tough as nails. His nickname Crankshaft was given for a reason, when he hits you, it actually hurts. Heck, it even hurts when you try to hit him. He has the ability to wear down opposing players and this aspect should not be undermined in a 7 games long series. Although Bouillon is very strong for his size, he is not half the physical force that Murray is.

Murray haters only focus on the fact that he is slow and refuse to see the other intangibles that he brings. Same old story here... last time this happened, Hal Gill proved everyone wrong. Murray will do the same.

Side note, title of this thread should be "Who's the better player", instead of "Most horrible player". Instead of always pointing out hate, how about focusing on points to appreciate?

 

[Et le But]

Murray is worse, at least Bouillon can skate and handle the puck. He's a horrible decision maker but he doesn't sink our possession quite as badly.

Neither should be anywhere near the ice in the playoffs.

 

[Markov4Captain]

As much as I hate FrankieBoo sometimes, it has to be Murray.

Murray can't do ANYTHING, he can't skate, he can't pass, he can't shoot, he just well...stands there and blocks shot. Bouillon makes stupid plays but at least he can skate, and occasionally make a play. Murray doesn't just hurt the team with his turnovers, but his inability to skate kills our breakouts and any sustained o-zone pressure we may have. He makes Hal Gill look like a skating power house.

As much as people hope Tinrodi gets a turn, I WISH management wasn't too scared to put Beaulieu out there. No way he does worse than these two veterans. The guy has mobility, vision and he skates better than anyone we are currently icing (other than Subby). He could be for us what Torey Krug was to the Bruins last year. What a waste of talent for him to be sitting in the press box.

 

[Hoople]

You're alone in your bubble, I don't think there's a single person on this board who claims that Murray is the one man solution to beat the Bruins.

What he is though, is a better option than Bouillon. Here are some reasons why:

• He is the only player on this team who plays with a mean streak, clears the crease effectively and can stand toe to toe with players like Lucic and Thornton (Tinordi is getting stronger but he's not there yet). On the other hand, other players on the team can do what Bouillon does (and arguably better, i.e. Beaulieu).
  
  
• He is clearly a much better hitter and shot-blocker, two very important aspects in playoffs hockey. Murray in 53 regular season games: 144 Hits, 115 Blocks. Bouillon in 52 regular season games: 80 hits, 70 blocks.
  
  
• He is a rock and tough as nails. His nickname Crankshaft was given for a reason, when he hits you, it actually hurts. Heck, it even hurts when you try to hit him. He has the ability to wear down opposing players and this aspect should not be undermined in a 7 games long series. Although Bouillon is very strong for his size, he is not half the physical force that Murray is.

Murray haters only focus on the fact that he is slow and refuse to see the other intangibles that he brings. Same old story here... last time this happened, Hal Gill proved everyone wrong. Murray will do the same.

Side note, title of this thread should be "Who's the better player", instead of "Most horrible player". Instead of always pointing out hate, how about focusing on points to appreciate?

Great post.

 

[DouglasMurraysSpeed*]

Resume of all arguments concerning Douglas Murray:

FOR Douglas Murray
-Muh toughness as nails!
-Muh shot blocking!
-Muh hits!
-Muh intangibles!
-Muh playoff experience!
-Muh crease clearing!
-Muh playing against Lucic!
-Muh character!
-Muh we get tossed around!

AGAINST Douglas Murray
-Muh puck possession!
-Muh takes corsi down!
-Muh slow skater!
-Muh drowns fenwick down!
-Muh Hal Gill's better skater!
-Muh speed speed and more speed!
-Muh "I don't care if we get tossed around"!

The Douglas Murray conversations have to be the worse ones I've seen from Habs fans since the acquisition of Michael Leighton.

 

[ak90210]

This is like a bizarro Lemieux Gretzky poll.

 

[DouglasMurraysSpeed*]

This is like a bizarro Lemieux Gretzky poll.

Instead of comparing the two best players of their era we're comparing the two worse.

 

[Hoople]

Instead of comparing the two best players of their era we're comparing the two worse.

I failed to mention this earlier.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

Errr. Why the hell aren't beaulieu and tinordi not options for this idiot coach? Boston has had no issue using rookies in the past. Why can't we? Imagine if MT coached Boston? Krug would be on another team, Hamilton would be in the press box and Miller in the minors. How do you play Murray and bouillion when you have 2 better younger options?

If I had to choose between the two turds I'd pick Murray and its not even close.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Both are pretty bad. Bouillon is a decent skater and can carry the puck more then a few inches, but he is an absolute disaster in his own zone positionally. I've lost count of the goals he's scored on Carey, the blown coverages, and the times he decided to cover his defensive partner rather than an opposing forward. We also had to put up with that disastrous Bouillon-Subban pairing for a while.

Murray can't skate. Can't carry the puck. Cant really pass the puck. He needs at least 4 feet of ice to successfully turn 45 degrees. But he can block shots with aplomb, he's tough as nails, will fight anyone (when one fights Scott, you know...), can clear the net, and he's effective on the PK.

At home vs the Bruins I'd want to see Murray in where MT can control his ice time and give him 10-12 mins of easy 5on 5 and PK. However, Bouillon has been the least of our problems in the playoffs. He was quite good vs Tampa and only really exposed in game 2 vs Boston.

With that being said, let's hope none of these guys get resigned. Have Tinordi and Beaulioooo play steady roles next season, or at least one of them. We will never take the next step without passing on the torch to these two kids.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Neither should see NHL ice again.

 

[DouglasMurraysSpeed*]

We should ban the 6th defenseman. I don't know why, but this guy is always our worse defenseman, whoever it is.

 

[idk]

It really depends on the situation. Bouillon is faster and he can (occasionally) kick of a transition. His speed has dropped quite a bit in recent years though, so sometimes he still gets a blow by when he overestimates his own speed. His reads and spacing have always been a bit funny too - sometimes he comes from nowhere and makes a big play, other times he's way out of position and can't compensate.

Murray is a boat out there. He is slow. Opposing forwards blow by him with ease. Hell, I think the USS Hal Gill could blow past him. But he's big. And solid. Running into him (and let's face it, 75% of his 'hits' are an opponent skating into him) is like running into a blast door designed to protect a bunker from a direct nuclear explosion. There doesn't seem to be any give in him whatsoever. He is also very effective in front of his own net, blocking shots and clearing the crease. And lets face it - he's stood toe to toe with John Scott. Didn't win by any stretch, but didn't go down either. That's more than any Bruin can say.

Given the physical nature of the series and our lack of big bodies on the back end (as well as the problems we've had clearing traffic in front of Carey. Granted I don't expect much - he will be a #6 D after all - but he could have a positive effect addressing some of our current weaknesses.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I said both but in different ways. They both bring half the skill set needed to be a regular defenceman but both still lack the same skills we need.

It's reminiscent of the Dandoullion days with the common denominator being Boullion. Maybe we need to combine the 2 to create Murrouillon, who would also suck.

I say start Beau or Tinner. Both are better players and will be core players in the near future and could use the experience. Plus, given the situation, they can pretty much run on pure adrenaline and give it all they have against the Bruins. Unlike Murrouillon, they each have all the skills we needs right now, mobility, physical presence, puck movement, offensive abilities etc.

That being said, I'd rather have Murray in against Boston than Bou.

 

[JAVO16]

We should ban the 6th defenseman. I don't know why, but this guy is always our worse defenseman, whoever it is.

We need a job posting somewhere:

Description

Entry level defenseman (6th/7th defenseman) for the Montreal Canadiens

Requirements

-5+ years of NHL experience
-Be able to play at the level of a top-4 defenseman

Salary
Under 1.5M AAV

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Errr. Why the hell aren't beaulieu and tinordi not options for this idiot coach? Boston has had no issue using rookies in the past. Why can't we? Imagine if MT coached Boston? Krug would be on another team, Hamilton would be in the press box and Miller in the minors. How do you play Murray and bouillion when you have 2 better younger options?

If I had to choose between the two turds I'd pick Murray and its not even close.

Boston's "regulars" are not ready to play, so that is why Krug and Hamilton have been used so much. Seidenberg and McQuaid would still displace two of the Bruins dmen that are currently playing if they were healthy.