Post-Game Talk: Montreal - where the people are beautiful and Oilers hockey is ugly

[Dirk Dangler]

J Skinner has averaged 11mns last 5 games and went as low as 8mins one night. He' been demoted to bottomsix more times than I can count. All kinds of messages sent. At end of day its up to players to bring it.

The trouble is Skinner has some of the worst work ethics of any player on the club. Been called out on it by previous coaches. He's not exactly a hard worker. What kind of message is it if you take a player that is almost being HS and put him on first unit PP?

Might just be me but I don't know anybody even wants this guy on their line.

On any other contending lineup J Skinner would be HS by now. He's - in every game now even on vastly reduced sheltered easy minutes. Its almost like you can't even have him out there. But this is who he is as a player. High GA. Always has been.

Doesn’t have to be Skinner. Slide Henrique into Nuges spot and Perry into Hymans for a few games. Let Nuge and Hyman watch, regroup, and get hungry.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Knoblauch has to know how petty and stupid he looks taking out his frustration on Skinner when he has three of the longest tenured Oilers making a joke out of their profession on a nightly basis. The mystery is why he keeps doing it- are McDrai running the bench?

Hyman, Nuge, (not sure who else is on your list are established on a team, they have earned trust, they have earned faith. J Skinner is the new guy on a team that was tossed out and lol bought out by his past team and is SUPPOSED to be making an impression here. Theres a difference. J Skinner hasn't earned on ounce of faith and trust here and his play isn't garnering any.

 

[Soundwave]

This is plain silly. I'm not even a Nuge defender but he never met a coach that didn't love his all round play. Just what it is. Conversely no coach has trusted Skinner. That was a dilemna going in. Already known we have some of the most weak ass goaltending in the league. So what does the braintrust do? not solve the goaltending file, not even look at it, but bring in GA disasters like Jeff Skinner to help around the shop. There wasn't even a chance this was going to help the club in an outscoring net goals perspective.

I'll wait some more before declaring KK won't make any adjustments ever.

I'm sure other teams coaches who have scouted the Oilers PP are loving RNH too. Keep doing the same shit bozos.

Teams know the play is either McDavid cross seam to Draisaitl, which if he makes it with a top end shot, you live with that, and the other play is McDavid to Hyman tap in, and they are shutting that Hyman shit down and letting RNH do his ice capades dance on the perimeter all the PP long.

He ain't beating you on a PP, let him do whatever.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Doesn’t have to be Skinner. Slide Henrique into Nuges spot and Perry into Hymans for a few games. Let Nuge and Hyman watch, regroup, and get hungry.

I think those are better ideas. I could see doing that. But so could KK. He did move Perry up with Drai and he's been better there than skinner has looked in topsix. Don't mind trying it. Something is off with Hyman this year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I'm sure other teams coaches who have scouted the Oilers PP are loving RNH too. Keep doing the same shit bozos.

Teams know the play is either McDavid cross seam to Draisaitl, which if he makes it with a top end shot, you live with that, and the other play is McDavid to Hyman tap in, and they are shutting that Hyman shit down and letting RNH do his ice capades dance on the perimeter all the PP long.

He ain't beating you on a PP, let him do whatever.

You're describing water being wet. Massive success can have its drawbacks. One of those is every team in the league scouting our scoring, our PP. It was always going to be more difficult this season. Just what it is. I guess you can blame the natural order of things on McDrai or Nuge or Hyman or KK or whoever. We weren't going to be getting any easy looks this season.

To the credit the coaching staff gave us a legend level PP for years running. But in this area its what have you done for us lately. I don't blame any of the above for whats going on. I blame management for not improving the club but making it worse.

 

[Kerberos]

How many more empty net tap-in feeds is Hyman going to miss this season?

There is something seriously broken with this team. The lack of results is one thing but the lack of effort is unprofessional.

We have a coach who won't coach or hold players accountable. We have players like Bouchard and RNH going through the motions and actively harming the team. Skinner spends more time grooming his moustache than he does imitating an NHL goaltender.

What's Captain Marvel's motto? Higher, further, faster? This iteration of the Oilers should be slower, older, weaker. They absolutely refuse to work for anything and if I'm McDavid, I'm absolutely laying the f*** into Hyman, RNH, Bouchard and Skinner.

 

[Soundwave]

You're describing water being wet. Massive success can have its drawbacks. One of those is every team in the league scouting our scoring, our PP. It was always going to be more difficult this season. Just what it is. I guess you can blame the natural order of things on McDrai or Nuge or Hyman or KK or whoever. We weren't going to be getting any easy looks this season.

To the credit the coaching staff gave us a legend level PP for years running. But in this area its what have you done for us lately. I don't blame any of the above for whats going on. I blame management for not improving the club but making it worse.

If you're not going to literally try anything else but stick with "well this worked a year ago, we're just going to keep doing the same thing" ... then you can kindly f*** off as a coach as far as I'm concerned.

This is the team. Don't like it, then resign. Shit or get off the pot. If you can't do anything with this group then let Joel Quennville or someone else come in and maybe show you a thing or two.

Elite coaches get production even from suboptimal players/rosters, it's the job. Daryl Sutter got what? A monster season out of Kylington and Mangiapane and even freaking Gudbranson who looked completely washed.

 

[Yuke]

He hasn’t been given a chance on a scoring line. He’s played 30 measly mins with Draisaitl. This coach is heading down the stubborness road like Woody and Todd.

I think what Drai wants Drai gets, unless McD already has

 

[Drivesaitl]

How many more empty net tap-in feeds is Hyman going to miss this season?

There is something seriously broken with this team. The lack of results is one thing but the lack of effort is unprofessional.

We have a coach who won't coach or hold players accountable. We have players like Bouchard and RNH going through the motions and actively harming the team. Skinner spends more time grooming his moustache than he does imitating an NHL goaltender.

What's Captain Marvel's motto? Higher, further, faster? This iteration of the Oilers should be slower, older, weaker. They absolutely refuse to work for anything and if I'm McDavid, I'm absolutely laying the f*** into Hyman, RNH, Bouchard and Skinner.

Hyman scored 20 more goals than McD last season at less than half the pay. McD needs to be scoring more. Thats a need too. Hyman wasnt brought in here as a 50 goal scorer and isn't being paid to be one. He's a guy with an expected goals around 25. I sure wouldn't be blaming what Hyman has done here. Man, he's earned my grace and then some.

 

[oobga]

Holland's rosters needed multiple coaches fired before they would jump start.

We haven't had an actual good GM in a long, long time.

Holland needed Jackson to fix his team picking a coach AND to bring in a mental health guy to make our headcase goalie get it together for playoffs.

Without Jackson, Holland’s last season here ends in disgrace.

For sure though, none of these guys have done what was needed. Miracle playoffs from McDavid and Bouch and stars aligning in all kinds of ways weren’t enough to change that. Came close. But still wasn’t enough.

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers have the same number of goals as San Jose.

SAN JOSE. Without Celebrini (lol).

Like c'mon, that's ridiculous, I don't care about "we lost Foegele tho!", that's ridiculous.

This team is way more talented than that. Knoublaugh better figure his shit out and make some adjustments, because that is massive under performance. Coaching is more than just defensive play coaching, buddy, you actually need to make adjustments on offense too. Even dinosaurs like Sutter and Quennville know that.

 

[I am the Liquor]

The Oilers have the same number of goals as San Jose.

SAN JOSE. Without Celebrini (lol).

Like c'mon, that's ridiculous, I don't care about "we lost Foegele tho!", that's ridiculous.

This team is way more talented than that. Knoublaugh better figure his shit out and make some adjustments, because that is massive under performance. Coaching is more than just defensive play coaching, buddy, you actually need to make adjustments on offense too. Even dinosaurs like Sutter and Quennville know that.

He is finished. Start guessing his replacement. I’m gonna say Q

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

At least Emberson looks good. Should probably lock him up before the summer.

You must be new here. We don't do those kinds of logical things...

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

He is finished. Start guessing his replacement. I’m gonna say Q

If they are gassing another coach then McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and RNH should do the press conference and explain why they need a new coach every season.

 

[VeteranPresence]

He is finished. Start guessing his replacement. I’m gonna say Q

I would not be shocked to see Q in to replace Coffey, who then is tasked with babysitting the dumb dumbs in our front office. He seems to excel as a short term troubleshooter and would at least force Bowman to look over his shoulder.

Q then could be a vocal foil to the sackless trio that is Knobby/Gulutzan/Stuart. One hard practice under the old Coach Q will make our perimeter queens wish they hadn’t been born, and maybe get them putting in a 90% effort instead of a -90% one.

 

[MessierII]

Hyman scored 20 more goals than McD last season at less than half the pay. McD needs to be scoring more. Thats a need too. Hyman wasnt brought in here as a 50 goal scorer and isn't being paid to be one. He's a guy with an expected goals around 25. I sure wouldn't be blaming what Hyman has done here. Man, he's earned my grace and then some.

Grace doesn’t mean anything right now. This is pro sports and it’s what you’re doing now. Last season and the season before have nothing to do with this one. Nuge and him can both play in the bottom 6 for a while.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Jeff Jackson destroyed this team. Hopefully the next random who gets Katz's ear has a clue.

It's hard to believe how bad Jackson has been in such a short amount of time imo. His managerial history started with Brown @ 3 million deferred and leads to the present of Skinner for 3 million -- just his first and last mistakes are costing us 6 million this season.

Speaking of money, Jeff Skinner costs almost 3/4 McLeod and Holloway combined. We sacrificed players like Holloway and McLeod......... to afford Jeff Skinner.

Holland at his absolute worst was never this bad. He brought in players like Hyman and Janmark to get the Jeff Skinner out of this roster. Holland's MO would be keeping a team that went to the finals together -- he definitely would not have let the team's leading hitter go for a third.

 

[Soundwave]

Jeff Jackson destroyed this team. Hopefully the next random who gets Katz's ear has a clue.

It's hard to believe how bad Jackson has been in such a short amount of time imo. His managerial history started with Brown @ 3 million deferred and leads to the present of Skinner for 3 million -- just his first and last mistakes are costing us 6 million this season.

Speaking of money, Jeff Skinner costs almost 3/4 McLeod and Holloway combined. We sacrificed players like Holloway and McLeod......... to afford Jeff Skinner.

Holland at his absolute worst was never this bad. He brought in players like Hyman and Janmark to get the Jeff Skinner out of this roster. Holland's MO would be keeping a team that went to the finals together -- he definitely would not have let the team's leading hitter go for a third.

Brown's 3 million is on Holland dude. Jeff Jackson wasn't an employee of the Oilers at the time, his job was to get his client (Brown) the best deal and he did.

If anything that's probably why Holland is not here now, Jackson saw he was a lame duck negotiator who got taken to the cleaners in that deal.

No chance the Oilers make the Finals with Woodcroft, Holland wouldn't have hired Knob.

 

[Shanahanigans]

How many more empty net tap-in feeds is Hyman going to miss this season?

There is something seriously broken with this team. The lack of results is one thing but the lack of effort is unprofessional.

We have a coach who won't coach or hold players accountable. We have players like Bouchard and RNH going through the motions and actively harming the team. Skinner spends more time grooming his moustache than he does imitating an NHL goaltender.

What's Captain Marvel's motto? Higher, further, faster? This iteration of the Oilers should be slower, older, weaker. They absolutely refuse to work for anything and if I'm McDavid, I'm absolutely laying the f*** into Hyman, RNH, Bouchard and Skinner.

We don’t have an identity! Except old and slow I guess. For the last 3 years we were the big, fast, heavy forechecking team, maybe the best forechecking team in the league after Florida. Line 1 you have Mcdavid and Hyman who’s (usually) a great forechecker. Then comes Kane with Draisaitl to destroy you. Then comes the speed and forechecking of Foegele and Holloway, along with Mcleod’s transition play. Even Carrick/Erne would be fast and hit guys. That wears teams down, and we have NONE of that right now, except for Hyman who is struggling. No identity, no speed, no way to disrupt and wear down the other team, nobody for Mcdrai to pass to. This team is a mediocre old team. We’re the basically the Penguins but without the multiple cups.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

And it's just about time to fire the coach and it's not his fault. They played the right way for a bit, but we have now gone back to this lazy permitter play.

McDrai seems to have a year + shelf life. Maybe it's because they are so pre-scouted that new habits force the league to adjust and that takes around a year, but it's looking like they lack buy-in. Maybe they are as upset about the offseason as we are lol.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Brown's 3 million is on Holland dude. Jeff Jackson wasn't an employee of the Oilers at the time, his job was to get his client (Brown) the best deal and he did.

If anything that's probably why Holland is not here now, Jackson saw he was a lame duck negotiator who got taken to the cleaners in that deal.

No chance the Oilers make the Finals with Woodcroft, Holland wouldn't have hired Knob.

No. When someone has a job title created above you, you are not in charge anymore. It's a timed firing. Jackson has been in total control since the position was created for him.

That deal was not with Holland and he did not support it. I promise you.

 

[T-Funk]

Dallas Knobkins, adapt when your ideas don't work in a league you barely have experience in. Use your outside voice and coach your damn stars.

passive bitchass team

 

[M Ace]

I want heads to get rolling.....

Oilers dressing room?

 

[Soundwave]

No. When someone has a job title created above you, you are not in charge anymore. It's a timed firing. Jackson has been in total control since the position was created for him.

That deal was not with Holland and he did not support it. I promise you.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying, the Connor Brown deal with the 3 million bonus was signed by Holland BEFORE Jeff Jackson was a member of the Oilers period. At that time, Jackson was a player agent for Brown and his responsibility was to get his client the best deal as he was not employed by the Oilers.

Also if you're going to say last year was all under Jackson, fine, but then he gets all the credit for the Cup Final.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Boys must have had a night to remember in Montreal the night before