Montreal passes bill to ban all Pit Bulls (cbc.ca)

[John Price]

Wonderful, lovable, gentle pitbulls snap for no ****ing reason and chew people (most often kids) up.

It's because their owners were negligent.

 

[Bones Malone]

Ban children because sometimes they snap and go into school and shoot up the place

 

[beowulf]

It's because their owners were negligent.

This most often. It happens with any breed, how the dog was introduced to kids and how the kids were also taught to treat the dog.

Most of the time a dog bite is due to human error and not the dogs.

 

[John Price]

If you let a dog loose and the dog bites someone it'd not the dogs fault it'd the owners for letting him out like that.

 

[The Head Crusher]

Ontario's had a pitbull ban in place for years.

It's really pointless.

You want to put blame on a string of attacks? Blame the idiot dog owners who can't properly raise or care for their own pet.

I remember that being an issue when the Mark Buehrle was traded to the Jays. He has been an advocate to try and get rid of this ridicules law during his time here.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

It's because their owners were negligent.

bullcaca

 

[John Price]

bullcaca

We've all basically given you examples how. But yeah it's all about the dog not they owners fault

 

[beowulf]

If you let a dog loose and the dog bites someone it'd not the dogs fault it'd the owners for letting him out like that.

It's more than that, I can leave my dog off leash without worrying about something like that as she was introduced and socialized at a young age to other dogs, adults other than me and to kids.

Some people don't do that and their dogs end up being scared of kids or other adults for example. Also some people think it's cure when they dog blocks people are growls at people that get close to them. They love that the dog is "protecting them" which is bad, you are encouraging a behavior that will cause problems later.

And then you have the worst situation which is when the human pushes the dog to be aggressive, they see it as cool or manly etc.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

We've all basically given you examples how. But yeah it's all about the dog not they owners fault

A bad owner can definitely be the cause of a bad dog. No denying that.

But there are hundreds of stories where a "good" pitbull snaps for no reason.
More than any other breed of dog.

 

[beowulf]

I should clarify that even if I can trust my dog off leash, when I am out in public walking her on a public street she is always on leash as you never know what can happen and even if she usually listens to me I just would not want to take a chance. When on private property or at an off leash dog park then she is allowed to run off leash and have all the fun in the world playing with other dogs and interacting with people.

 

[beowulf]

A bad owner can definitely be the cause of a bad dog. No denying that.

But there are hundreds of stories where a "good" pitbull snaps for no reason.
More than any other breed of dog.

Proof? I bet you anything small dogs snap and injure more often than any big breed. The reasons being again lack of socialization and that so many people carry their small dogs around so they become protective and they then find that cute. You don't hear about it as much as the bite don't injure too bad unless a small child is involved.

I see it myself with my mom's miniature pinscher. She is about 12 now and she is a little ***** of a dog that can snap and will bark like crazy at someone new in the house. Thing is with me, she is much better because I don't take that crap from her. My parents could never bring this dog to a dog park, she would yap and want to fight every dog there. But when I visit and I go to the dog park, I bring her with me and my dog and she is totally find, it's funny like night and day when my parents aren't around.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

Proof?

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php

"In the 11-year period of 2005 through 2015, canines killed 360 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 64% (232) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths."

"A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period.
The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13)."

 

[John Price]

A bad owner can definitely be the cause of a bad dog. No denying that.

But there are hundreds of stories where a "good" pitbull snaps for no reason.
More than any other breed of dog.

But I've heard the opposite about how pit bulls are so kind. So which one is it.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

But I've heard the opposite about how pit bulls are so kind. So which one is it.

Not every pitbull is vicious. The majority are not. But they are the most vicious breed of dog by nature.

 

[snakeye]

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/tobac-tabac/legislation/label-etiquette/mortal-eng.php

Priorities?

 

[beowulf]

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php

"In the 11-year period of 2005 through 2015, canines killed 360 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 64% (232) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths."

"A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period.
The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13)."

Don't believe that crap, the site was created by someone with a total bias against bully breeds but has no academic training or real knowledge of dogs and their behaviors.

 

[beowulf]

Not every pitbull is vicious. The majority are not. But they are the most vicious breed of dog by nature.

No they aren't and pit bull is not actually a breed, it is a catch all term that covers a bunch of breeds that were originally used for bull baiting and other related tasks but that got corrupted by humans who then used them for fighting.

 

[The Head Crusher]

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php

"In the 11-year period of 2005 through 2015, canines killed 360 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 64% (232) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths."

"A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period.
The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13)."

And yet you are more likely to be attacked by a Labs than Pit bulls or rottweilers. They are just not reported as much because they are not reported as often.

In my life I have been bitten 5 times by dogs (not counting teething while rough housing).

1. When I was 5/6, I was stupid and bit our Rough Collie and it bit me in retaliation. Don't recall any blood.

2. 15 years old I was over at my GF's house and was laying on the couch, their golden lab nipped my foot because my sock was falling off my foot and it thought it was a play toy. Hurt, but no damage.

3. 18 year old I bent down to bet my bosses pug (ugly things) and it
bit my finger. Drew blood, but nothing a band aid couldn't fix.

4. 21 years old, our family dog (lab/retriever/cocker spaniel) was sleeping on the deck furniture and i went to wake him up and kick him off. Startled him and he latched onto my hand. He left 2 puncture marks and little blood.

5. 29 years old (last month) 12 hours before my wedding I went to pet the same dog who had been hanging out with us the whole night. He let out a yelp and ran over to my cousin, who was crouch at the time, nuzzled up to him and was licking his face. I bent down to check on his to see if he was hurt and he yelp again as I reached for him and bit me on the face. Had to go in for 6 stitches to close up the lacerations on my upper lip.

Of all these times only the last one was ever reported (hospital had to under their regulations). For every dog bit from a pit bull or rottweiler or any other large breed, just remember there are 5+ bites from other smaller breeds that go unreported plus then those that are reported.

As beowulf said, don't trust this site. Extreme Bias.

 

[beowulf]

As of right now the ban is on hold for a couple of days until a judge passes a more comprehensive decision.

 

[Hippasus]

Initially I thought the ban was for the TV show host. Unfortunately it hasn't happened (yet).

 

[LetsGoIslanders]

I support it.

I was attacked by a pit bull as a kid in very suburban, upper middle-class neighborhood in Connecticut at 11 years old. All I did was ride past a house on my Huffy, and the ****ing thing pulled me down off my bike. No reason at all. The only reason I wasn't mauled to death is because the owner called him off. If that redneck wasn't there, I might be dead. In 2016, my family should've sued the **** out them.

There is no reason why the breed should exist. Kill them all with a bullet to the back of their head. I will travel from community to community and be their Albert Pierrepont for pit bulls. Hang them, gas them, or execute them, I'm cool with any of that. They are an unpredictable scum breed of dog.

I love dogs. My parents Goldendoodle is the finest animal that ever existed.

 

[aleshemsky83]

I wont lie, my neighbor used to let his dog run around and it would chase people and I did consider doing something. Of course in this country I could actually go to jail.

Wasn't a pitbull though it was just very agressive.

But of course I would never hurt a living creature not in self defense. I'm pure of heart

 

[JA]

This most often. It happens with any breed, how the dog was introduced to kids and how the kids were also taught to treat the dog.

Most of the time a dog bite is due to human error and not the dogs.

Some dog breeds are more temperamental than others, but if they are treated as children -- with love and care, as well as taught to understand authority -- then they can be very compassionate animals. Just as poor parents can ruin a child, so too can this be done to dogs. Every dog has its own personality, and poor parenting can mess up a dog's psyche. Dogs can have mental health issues too, but a large part of a dog's personality comes from how it was raised.

You don't realize just how much dogs are like toddlers until you've had one. It has also come to my attention that they aren't treated with nearly enough respect as they deserve, and that most ignore the fact that the dog food and veterinary industries are harming the health of our pets. The ingredients in dog food are vile, and some are toxic. When dogs become ill from a lot of food-related sicknesses, the vets bombard them with all sorts of expensive medications; they won't tell you that the problem is the food in many cases, or that it is as simple as giving them a real diet. Humans are so self-conscious about what we eat, and yet we're feeding dogs disgusting products that wouldn't even pass as food for us. If we treated our children as we treat our pets, the future would be very bleak.

We don't treat dogs as well as we should. No wonder so many grow up to be hostile and flaky.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

regardless of my opinions and feelings on this, i do not understand how you can feasibly ban a dog breed?

 

[beowulf]

Some dog breeds are more temperamental than others, but if they are treated as children -- with love and care, as well as taught to understand authority -- then they can be very compassionate animals. Just as poor parents can ruin a child, so too can this be done to dogs. Every dog has its own personality, and poor parenting can mess up a dog's psyche. Dogs can have mental health issues too, but a large part of a dog's personality comes from how it was raised.

You don't realize just how much dogs are like toddlers until you've had one. It has also come to my attention that they aren't treated with nearly enough respect as they deserve, and that most ignore the fact that the dog food and veterinary industries are harming the health of our pets. The ingredients in dog food are vile, and some are toxic. When dogs become ill from a lot of food-related sicknesses, the vets bombard them with all sorts of expensive medications; they won't tell you that the problem is the food in many cases, or that it is as simple as giving them a real diet. Humans are so self-conscious about what we eat, and yet we're feeding dogs disgusting products that wouldn't even pass as food for us. If we treated our children as we treat our pets, the future would be very bleak.

We don't treat dogs as well as we should. No wonder so many grow up to be hostile and flaky.

For the food, often people don't do research and want to pay as little as possible. If you do research there are some good dog foods out there if you are unwilling or unable to feed your dog a BARF diet.

I feed a mix with my dog. She gets a high end kibble on some days and on others she gets a raw diet that I make for her. I try to balance the cost/time etc.