Proposal: Montreal/Minnesota

[rynryn]

One thing that Nino does that Galy doesn't provide is the agitator and physical role. Minnesota is a soft team without Nino.

softer, definitely. They have high hopes for Greenway being able to provide that spark combined with a little scoring but he couldn't possibly be ready for duty for 3-4 years. Tuch from what I've heard doesn't play all that hard physically other than to protect the puck. Coyle is the only current top six player we have that hits more than Nino. D? Not built for hitting. Hopefully Stevens can squeeze some more hits out of Scandella and Dumba starts throwing them more too as his confidence rises.

It's a good point I think. There is not a lot of sandpaper to our team even in the fourth line...Nino, Dumba, and Zucker are about the only guys who regularly look like they're bumping and smack talking out there.

 

[1dreamof1cup]

Mtl takes this and run. Terrible for the wilds.

 

[rynryn]

One thing that Chucky does that Nino hasent provided is scoring 30 goals

one of the main reasons Wild fans don't want to see Nino traded for anything other than an obvious overpayment is that they feel he was under-utilized. I mean he played third line and had almost an hour less PP time than Chucky and still got 20 goals for the year. Not as valuable as "chucky" but still did well enough relative him considering his handicap.

 

[The Great Weal]

one of the main reasons Wild fans don't want to see Nino traded for anything other than an obvious overpayment is that they feel he was under-utilized. I mean he played third line and had almost an hour less PP time than Chucky and still got 20 goals for the year. Not as valuable as "chucky" but still did well enough relative him considering his handicap.

And Galchenyuk wasn't under-utilized? Galchenyuk also played close to 3rd line minutes. When he was on the PP he was with a combination of Semin,Eller,Flynn,Byron,Mitchell...etc for the most part of the season.

 

[rynryn]

And Galchenyuk wasn't under-utilized? Galchenyuk also played close to 3rd line minutes. When he was on the PP he was with a combination of Semin,Eller,Flynn,Byron,Mitchell...etc for the most part of the season.

yeah your player is the best and how dare anyone think otherwise. we get it. still more ES time than Nino too. point is Wild fans are hopeful that under new leadership Nino will raise himself to the godlike tier of hockey player on which Galchenyuk now resides, or near enough to make the value (to the Wild) about even considering other things like physicality and aggressiveness.

 

[thestonedkoala]

One thing that Chucky does that Nino hasent provided is scoring 30 goals

In two seasons, Chucky has scored only 6 more goals than el Nino and 22 more points than him - that isn't a lot when you consider that El Nino is bounced around from the 2nd and 3rd line and Chucky generally gets 1st line minutes.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

In two seasons, Chucky has scored only 6 more goals than el Nino and 22 more points than him - that isn't a lot when you consider that El Nino is bounced around from the 2nd and 3rd line and Chucky generally gets 1st line minutes.

This is so false

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

To Montreal: Nino Niederreiter and 5th round pick 2017

vs

To Minnesota: Nathan Beaulieu, David Desharnais (15% retained), Sven Andrighetto and 3rd pick 2018


MTL POV: Nino could be a good pickup for the 2nd line can play both wing and fresh air should be great for him. Trevor Timmins likes the late picks..

MIN POV: With the expansion coming the Wild will need some d-man and Beaulieu would be a nice option if they Scandella or Spurgeon. DD is UFA after the season but a line Staal-DD-Pominville could be good. Andrighetto is RFA after this seaon and should be the hidden card in this trade.. great hands, good speed, go in the traffic.

I don't mind the Nino side, but if I'm Montreal I'm giving up Desharnais, a 2nd (instead of your 3rd), and Emelin. It's close to what you have, but more fair I feel.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

I don't mind the Nino side, but if I'm Montreal I'm giving up Desharnais, a 2nd (instead of your 3rd), and Emelin. It's close to what you have, but more fair I feel.

You think that is more fair? Take out Sven & 3rd replace that with a 2nd. Andrighetto is really the only part of the OP's proposal that is even worth an eyebrow twitch. You still have DD is still in the mix, thank god. You swap out arguably the better defenseman in Beaulieu for the lesser & more expensive Emelin? Who Wild fans have already said a D return is a not a want. Zero chance you are getting a shot at Nino with a two cap dump and a 2nd proposition. Not even as a come in low negotiation starting point. Oh and the salary cap says hi.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

You think that is more fair? Take out Sven & 3rd replace that with a 2nd. Andrighetto is really the only part of the OP's proposal that is even worth an eyebrow twitch. You still have DD is still in the mix, thank god. You swap out arguably the better defenseman in Beaulieu for the lesser & more expensive Emelin? Who Wild fans have already said a D return is a not a want. Zero chance you are getting a shot at Nino with a two cap dump and a 2nd proposition. Not even as a come in low negotiation starting point. Oh and the salary cap says hi.

Emelin, Desharnais, a 2nd, and a heartfelt thank you?

 

[Fazkovsky]

Beaulieu is overrated and no where near proven

 

[Dominator13]

Mtl takes this and run. Terrible for the wilds.

No they don't. It's not a value problem, it's a needs problem. We just cannot afford to lose Beaulieu if we don't have 2nd or 3rd LHD to replace him 1st. Markov is aging, playing presumably his final season and Sergachev although VERY promising is still an 18 year old prospect.

 

[Dominator13]

Beaulieu is overrated and no where near proven

Overrated? Hell no.

Nowhere near proven? You're right.

He's still what we got right now.

 

[57special]

I don't mind the Nino side, but if I'm Montreal I'm giving up Desharnais, a 2nd (instead of your 3rd), and Emelin. It's close to what you have, but more fair I feel.

Freaking absurd. In what weird little Habitant infested world do you live in where this is a desirable trade for the Wild?

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Freaking absurd. In what weird little Habitant infested world do you live in where this is a desirable trade for the Wild?

So you're saying they wouldn't be wild about my offer?

 

[gwh]

Emelin, Desharnais, a 2nd, and a heartfelt thank you?

Somehow there is faint smell of boiling tar in the air.

 

[57special]

So you're saying they wouldn't be wild about my offer?

Asking for our 5th is an outrage.

 

[thestonedkoala]

This is so false

You're right, he's getting 2nd line minutes (16:16) compared to el Nino's 3rd line minutes (15:33 minutes). Chucky is getting 43 more seconds than el Nino. That's about what? A shift or two more?

 

[imapylon]

Wild say no

 

[NotYou]

You're right, he's getting 2nd line minutes (16:16) compared to el Nino's 3rd line minutes (15:33 minutes). Chucky is getting 43 more seconds than el Nino. That's about what? A shift or two more?

Yeah. I can't believe we're actually doing the he's "under utilized so he'll probably produce like the guy who's already proven it" thing. P/60 is useful but not fully extrapolatable. Sometimes guys continue to improve with a bigger role, sometimes not. The impact of better linemates (probably less so for mn than the average team) vs tougher competition tends to be larger for the latter. A small difference in minutes is, as you said, not appreciable either. Finally, y'all aren't actually trying to minimize pp points are you(not you tsk)? C'mon. fans of a brutal pp team should know better than anyone that they're just as important. Galchenyuk was a far better player last year

 

[Al Lagoon]

Man, the Wild get trolled for stupid trades most by Toronto and Montreal fans: Desharnais, Ryder, Moen, Kadri, JVR, Lupul, etc.

What's up Canada?


When I was a kid we had a tabletop hockey set, featuring Toronto and Montreal.

 

[gwh]

Yeah. I can't believe we're actually doing the he's "under utilized so he'll probably produce like the guy who's already proven it" thing. P/60 is useful but not fully extrapolatable. Sometimes guys continue to improve with a bigger role, sometimes not. The impact of better linemates (probably less so for mn than the average team) vs tougher competition tends to be larger for the latter. A small difference in minutes is, as you said, not appreciable either. Finally, y'all aren't actually trying to minimize pp points are you(not you tsk)? C'mon. fans of a brutal pp team should know better than anyone that they're just as important. Galchenyuk was a far better player last year

With practically identical /60 stat line.

Now this has turned into a fantastic pissing match. We keep ours, you can keep Chucky.

P.S. The OP is just bad.

 

[57special]

Man, the Wild get trolled for stupid trades most by Toronto and Montreal fans: Desharnais, Ryder, Moen, Kadri, JVR, Lupul, etc.

What's up Canada?


When I was a kid we had a tabletop hockey set, featuring Toronto and Montreal.

Me too. You can still get them.

 

[Habsfan2731]

In two seasons, Chucky has scored only 6 more goals than el Nino and 22 more points than him - that isn't a lot when you consider that El Nino is bounced around from the 2nd and 3rd line and Chucky generally gets 1st line minutes.

Galchenyuk never gets first line minutes lol... He averaged less TOI this season than last season.

At points this year he wasn't even hitting 14-15 minuets a game and at times in the garbage minutes of lopsided games Therrien would stick his line out so the TOI somewhat evened out.

I have no idea what you're watching but Chucky for 4 years has gotten the polar opposite of 1st line minutes.

 

[NotYou]

With practically identical /60 stat line.

Now this has turned into a fantastic pissing match. We keep ours, you can keep Chucky.

P.S. The OP is just bad.

"P/60 is useful but not extrapolatable." Whatever the reason, the /60 numbers for players with fewer minutes tend to go down as their minutes go up.

But yeah this proposal was bad and generated a useless discussion.