Proposal: Montreal/Calgary

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Andersson for Matheson and Kapanen? Both teams get what they need

Calgary looking for left D and a center. Montreal looking for right D. Habs can move Hutson back to his natural side. Be Andersson/Carrier/Reinbacher on right side

 

[Empoleon8771]

You're adding a lot more than just Kapanen on top of Matheson to be able to pull of Andersson IMO

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You're adding a lot more than just Kapanen on top of Matheson to be able to pull of Andersson IMO

I was gonna say, if that's all it takes, sign Detroit up.

 

[ole ole]

I was gonna say, if that's all it takes, sign Detroit up.

Let the Wings have him.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Let the Wings have him.

Gratzi!

Edvinsson/Seider
AlJo/Rasmus

Is a far cry better than

Chiarot/Seider
Edvinsson/Petry

 

[MisterT]

When did Montreal move their farm team to Calgary.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Flames say no

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yeah no chance Calgary does this. Value is off and the assessment of need is flawed. Matheson wouldn't get PP time in Calgary with Weegar and Parekh there, plus Flames would have zero interest in extending him. Kapanen is an ok prospect but not of very high interest

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Yeah no chance Calgary does this. Value is off and the assessment of need is flawed. Matheson wouldn't get PP time in Calgary with Weegar and Parekh there, plus Flames would have zero interest in extending him. Kapanen is an ok prospect but not of very high interest

Are the Flames planning on extending Andersson?

 

[Fatass]

Montreal gets what they want. Calgary gets hosed.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Montreal gets what they want. Calgary gets hosed.

That’s pretty much what happened with the Monahan trade. Its just the way it is!

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Are the Flames planning on extending Andersson?

He has expressed interest in wanting to stay in Calgary. Flames and him will probably discuss that after he gets back from captaining team Sweden. My guess is they don't end up agreeing on a deal since Flames are looking at something around Neal Pionk and he wants something closer to Jakob Chychrun

 

[Giant Panda]

Kap is a great prospect who'll turn into a good middle 6er. Matheson has a lot more value than people on this sub acknowledge.

Overall, value wise isn't horrible, it just doesn't fit Calgary's needs at all. They don't need what Matheson brings and so his value to them is a lot lower.

 

[MrLunatik]

He has expressed interest in wanting to stay in Calgary. Flames and him will probably discuss that after he gets back from captaining team Sweden. My guess is they don't end up agreeing on a deal since Flames are looking at something around Neal Pionk and he wants something closer to Jakob Chychrun

if the starting points are only 2x2 apart, that's not a difficult gap to bridge unless one side holds firm on both dollars and term

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

if the starting points are only 2x2 apart, that's not a difficult gap to bridge unless one side holds firm on both dollars and term

Not a difficult gap? That's 30 million dollars apart

 

[RationalExpectations]

Yeah no chance Calgary does this. Value is off and the assessment of need is flawed. Matheson wouldn't get PP time in Calgary with Weegar and Parekh there, plus Flames would have zero interest in extending him. Kapanen is an ok prospect but not of very high interest

Matheson does not get a lot of PP Time in MTL because of Hutson either to be fair.

I would have fully agreed with your message one year ago. Now only partially : it does not make sense for CGY indeed but value wise Andersson was awful this year with a -38 in a team missing the playoff by 1 point… I think his value really took a hit

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Kap is a great prospect who'll turn into a good middle 6er. Matheson has a lot more value than people on this sub acknowledge.

Overall, value wise isn't horrible, it just doesn't fit Calgary's needs at all. They don't need what Matheson brings and so his value to them is a lot lower.

We can give you your our first for Andersson ? Montreal can flip Matheson for another first. We keep Kapanen.

 

[Giant Panda]

We can give you your our first for Andersson ? Montreal can flip Matheson for another first. We keep Kapanen.

Im a Habs fan but...

Sure, that sounds good enough for me. Habs would benefit from what he brings (as long as what he's been playing through heals up). If he goes back to being what he was 2 years ago, he'd make the Habs d into a playoff ready team.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Im a Habs fan but...

Sure, that sounds good enough for me. Habs would benefit from what he brings (as long as what he's been playing through heals up). If he goes back to being what he was 2 years ago, he'd make the Habs d into a playoff ready team.

He was very slow this season.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Matheson does not get a lot of PP Time in MTL because of Hutson either to be fair.

I would have fully agreed with your message one year ago. Now only partially : it does not make sense for CGY indeed but value wise Andersson was awful this year with a -38 in a team missing the playoff by 1 point… I think his value really took a hit

+/- is a trash stat, the -38 is very misleading. Andersson was on the ice for 8 OT losses, 13 empty net goals against, and 5 short handed goals against. That's -26 right there. Then when Bahl got injured and Andersson was playing with Hanley, he was -8 in 10 games. Being on the I e for only 15 powerplay goals for, on top of playing by far the most minutes against elite competition on the team, his -38 is really not that surprising

Calgary missed the playoffs by 1 point because Dustin Wolf was a literal god for most of the season. He had a +26.4 GSAx as a rookie. There is a reason people consider the Calder race between him and Hutson close

 

[RationalExpectations]

+/- is a trash stat, the -38 is very misleading. Andersson was on the ice for 8 OT losses, 13 empty net goals against, and 5 short handed goals against. That's -26 right there. Then when Bahl got injured and Andersson was playing with Hanley, he was -8 in 10 games. Being on the I e for only 15 powerplay goals for, on top of playing by far the most minutes against elite competition on the team, his -38 is really not that surprising

Calgary missed the playoffs by 1 point because Dustin Wolf was a literal god for most of the season. He had a +26.4 GSAx as a rookie. There is a reason people consider the Calder race between him and Hutson close

We can have all the excuses possible. And +/- is an imperfect stat. However Weegar was +18, Hanley was +12, Andersson -38. Next worst were Kadri and Huberdeau with -17, -13.

Agreed Wolf overperformed but that does not explain why Andersson was so much worse than everybody else. I found him quite slow this year (and I have found him a very solid top 4 Dman over the past years) and I really think several GMs will be a bit scared trading for him After last season. That being said it may be a one off for sure.

 

[Nanuuk]

Getting back to the OP, I'd do that deal if Montreal adds a draft pick.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I think Calgary gets less out of this than Montreal, but its a frankly uninteresting and not all that beneficial trade to either team.

 

[Volica]

We can have all the excuses possible. And +/- is an imperfect stat. However Weegar was +18, Hanley was +12, Andersson -38. Next worst were Kadri and Huberdeau with -17, -13.

Agreed Wolf overperformed but that does not explain why Andersson was so much worse than everybody else. I found him quite slow this year (and I have found him a very solid top 4 Dman over the past years) and I really think several GMs will be a bit scared trading for him After last season. That being said it may be a one off for sure.

As someone who watched him a good 70+ times this year, the stat is very misleading.
At no point of time did I ever look at him and think 'he's the problem on the ice right now'.

Flames were in a bunch of low-scoring, one goal, or one-goal-late-in-a-game type games. When they needed a goal Razzy was out there playing a lot of minutes. As the other poster mentioned, empty nets, OT's and SH were the lion's share of the negative plus/minus... and those are not easily replicated.

5v5 with Bahl they were a 50% CF duo, a 50% xGF duo who had a 41% actual GF rate. The play matched the stats here, where the play wasn't bad, and it was still leading to goal against at a much worse-than-expected rate.

 

[Captain Mountain]

As someone who watched him a good 70+ times this year, the stat is very misleading.
At no point of time did I ever look at him and think 'he's the problem on the ice right now'.

Flames were in a bunch of low-scoring, one goal, or one-goal-late-in-a-game type games. When they needed a goal Razzy was out there playing a lot of minutes. As the other poster mentioned, empty nets, OT's and SH were the lion's share of the negative plus/minus... and those are not easily replicated.

5v5 with Bahl they were a 50% CF duo, a 50% xGF duo who had a 41% actual GF rate. The play matched the stats here, where the play wasn't bad, and it was still leading to goal against at a much worse-than-expected rate.

They weren't a 50 XGF% duo:

And this argument is fair, but it still doesn't really matter from a Montreal POV, since they just had Matheson play even tougher minutes with comparable relative numbers.

Andersson is more valuable than Matheson, but replacing a tough minutes LHD that can't actually handle those minutes for a tough minutes RHD that can't actually handle those minutes who is a couple of years younger doesn't make sense from a Montreal POV. Especially if Andersson is looking for Chyrchrun money.

This just isn't the kind of trade that works for either side.