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Montour signs 7-year, $50 million contract with Kraken | NHL.com
Defenseman had 33 points last season, won Stanley Cup with Panthers
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I want to be unhappy about the length but honestly Francis is doing what he can to make us more competitive and 7 years seems about par nowadays. Heck Tanev just got a 6 year deal at 34.
Ha ha. No problem.Thanks for the check back into reality. A 40 year old Chris Tanev making 5m is worse than a 37 year old Brandon Montour making 7m.
I don't think you are going to find many arguments here about this not hurting us in the 2-3 years. But it is a problem we can worry about then. With our upcoming kids, I would say we need them to be productive for 4-5 years to give us a really good team in 2+ seasons.Panther fan here.
Montour is a solid D man coming off a subpar year
because of injuries.
He’ll eat up a lot of minutes.
If he returns to form offensively.
You’ll be happy.
But this 7 year contract will eventually be
an albatross. These long term deals.
Especially for a 30 year old.
Don’t work out.
You raise good points!I have a lot of questions about the fit.
Montour has to play the Right side. He spent the majority of his time on the left side in Buffalo (Becasue Botterill acquired every RHD that hit the market for a couple of years) and he was pretty bad.
Montour and Dunn does not feel better than Larsson and Dunn. Montour and Oleksiak seems like a defensive nightmare, unless Bylsma can convince Oleksiak to play the way he did in 21-22 and not the way he has played the past two seasons.
This move also feels like Borgen will have his minutes cut and will be demoted to the third pairing, and I think he has actually been a really solid #4. 25 point RHD with zero PP time, who skates as well as he does and plays a physical game - he isn't flashy, but he is steady and only improving. And then there is Evans. Evans should be getting the PP2 minutes, and this is likely going to limit his icetime and cut into his development as well.
The length and AAV are really bad as well. Hoping I am wrong on this one, but it feels like a major waste of cap and the completely wrong fit to me, I am just not seeing the upside here.
I think you can try Dumo-Montour and then roll with Oleksiak-Borgen. I would really want Evans up there because he is more than ready. I think this is a good fit from the perspective of moving to Bylsma style of controlled zone entries.I have a lot of questions about the fit.
Montour has to play the Right side. He spent the majority of his time on the left side in Buffalo (Becasue Botterill acquired every RHD that hit the market for a couple of years) and he was pretty bad.
Montour and Dunn does not feel better than Larsson and Dunn. Montour and Oleksiak seems like a defensive nightmare, unless Bylsma can convince Oleksiak to play the way he did in 21-22 and not the way he has played the past two seasons.
This move also feels like Borgen will have his minutes cut and will be demoted to the third pairing, and I think he has actually been a really solid #4. 25 point RHD with zero PP time, who skates as well as he does and plays a physical game - he isn't flashy, but he is steady and only improving. And then there is Evans. Evans should be getting the PP2 minutes, and this is likely going to limit his icetime and cut into his development as well.
The length and AAV are really bad as well. Hoping I am wrong on this one, but it feels like a major waste of cap and the completely wrong fit to me, I am just not seeing the upside here.
By the time 2029 comes around and Montour and Stephenson are sitting at 35 years old, the 13.5m they take up isn't going to feel that terrible, and if it truly does, then a buyout is totally an option. They aren't huge contracts whatsoever. They just feel big because of those last 2 seasons.
I'm more excited for Montour than Stephenson.
A lot is riding on his health though. He was electric in 2022-23, worth more than this. Then arguably worth less this past season when he was dealing with recovery from shoulder surgery. I think there's potential for Montour to be a great player here if he's feeling good. I love the way he plays.
I think it's going to be awful. $13.5m? That's a superstars worth of money that will be tied up with players who might not be playable at that point. Even if they're okayish players at age 35 it's a huge burden.
13.5 in 7 years. Not now. 7 years is a very long time. Now that the escrow is done, we’re likely to see those contracts go up. Im talking dollars though, not contracts. Ownership in 6 years is going to look at 13.5 and see a buyout opportunity on both if it isn’t working out at that point.
We'll see the cap jump up by ~$4m each offseason until the escrow is gone, but hockey related revenues I don't imagine are going up 5% each year are they? Maybe more like 3%. So it won't jump upward as much after escrow.
Anyways, when these guys are 35 the cap will have gone up by about 20% from now. So $13.5m will be the equivalent of $11m today, which is still superstar money!
If you buy both of them out at that point it's four years at $4.5m, which is like a pretty good mid-lineup player.
I agree with you that it isn't the worst thing in the world to have to do buyouts. But my overall feeling after today is that we're just as directionless as we feared. We're putting cost burdens into the deep future when we might be competitive, without really making the team anything special next season. I don't know if the team can make the playoffs even with Stephenson and Montour.
This. I hate this contract for the kraken . It’s bad for Evans , he is going to be better than montour within 2 yrs. At this price, That is not what they needed in my opinion.I have a lot of questions about the fit.
Montour has to play the Right side. He spent the majority of his time on the left side in Buffalo (Becasue Botterill acquired every RHD that hit the market for a couple of years) and he was pretty bad.
Montour and Dunn does not feel better than Larsson and Dunn. Montour and Oleksiak seems like a defensive nightmare, unless Bylsma can convince Oleksiak to play the way he did in 21-22 and not the way he has played the past two seasons.
This move also feels like Borgen will have his minutes cut and will be demoted to the third pairing, and I think he has actually been a really solid #4. 25 point RHD with zero PP time, who skates as well as he does and plays a physical game - he isn't flashy, but he is steady and only improving. And then there is Evans. Evans should be getting the PP2 minutes, and this is likely going to limit his icetime and cut into his development as well.
The length and AAV are really bad as well. Hoping I am wrong on this one, but it feels like a major waste of cap and the completely wrong fit to me, I am just not seeing the upside here.
This. I hate this contract for the kraken . It’s bad for Evans , he is going to be better than montour within 2 yrs. At this price, That is not what they needed in my opinion.
True but as the other poster eluded to , he is not getting any PP time with Dunn and montour . I’m just frustrated for my fantasy team and you obviously do not care about thatEvans is a left side D man. This only has a passive impact on him. This replaces Schultz, not Evans. Evans can make his way up full time when Dumo’s contract is up at the end of next year or at the TDL.
True but as the other poster eluded to , he is not getting any PP time with Dunn and montour . I’m just frustrated for my fantasy team and you obviously do not care about that