Management Montgomery fired - Sacco named interim coach
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MarchysNoseKnows
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This specific complaint is bullshit Lou. Gross wasn’t going to negotiate until they got rid of Ullmark. And Sway wasn’t going to accept some lowball contract.
Another question for ya'll to consider; we're all complaining about a perceived underperformance which had me thinking for a second. How much of what we're seeing now is actually the result of a lot of guys overachieving last year and are now coming back down to earth because of Monty putting them in a position to succeed rather than them suddenly being bad?
Charlie Coyle for most of his career has been a 40 to 45 point guy. Last season he put up 60 because with Krejci and Bergeron's departure forcing him into a larger role.
Pavel Zacha was seen as an underachiever leaning towards bustville before New Jersey traded him. Under Monty, he's suddenly a 50+ point guy and a legitimate top 6 forward.
Morgan Geekie was a literal nobody until Boston took a flier on hm and actually made him look like a legit option for a team's middle 6. Same story for Frederic.
Maybe this team was never all that good to begin with and coaching was doing way more heavy lifting than any of us knew?
Charlie Coyle for most of his career has been a 40 to 45 point guy. Last season he put up 60 because with Krejci and Bergeron's departure forcing him into a larger role.
Pavel Zacha was seen as an underachiever leaning towards bustville before New Jersey traded him. Under Monty, he's suddenly a 50+ point guy and a legitimate top 6 forward.
Morgan Geekie was a literal nobody until Boston took a flier on hm and actually made him look like a legit option for a team's middle 6. Same story for Frederic.
Maybe this team was never all that good to begin with and coaching was doing way more heavy lifting than any of us knew?
TheReal13Linseman
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This will solve nothing. Nothing.
Our team lacks talent. This is 1000000% on Sweeney.
Fire Sweeney not to the Sun but out of the Galaxy completely
Our team lacks talent. This is 1000000% on Sweeney.
Fire Sweeney not to the Sun but out of the Galaxy completely
HuskyBruinPride
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I don't agree with this take at all. On paper this team should be better than they were last year. No reason for their record to be this bad right now. Now about those contracts turning into anchors - very much a possibility down the road. But 2024 we shouldn't be having this discussion.
DangleCity
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They lack talent, but not this degree. They should be a playoff team 100%. They don't have the talent of a bottom 5 team in the league
Now all the guys in the room are going to go through the scripted "oh we're saddened and we let Monty down blah blah..." They should get smacked upside the head.
Country Club mentality.....FINISHED.
PS - I don't think Sacco is the solution either
Country Club mentality.....FINISHED.
PS - I don't think Sacco is the solution either
ODAAT
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I expect zero coaching bump, talent the same unless Sacco has an entirely different approach to systems that we don`t know about
I actually don`t give a rats ass about how he was in Colorado nor do I care that he`s been an assistant for all these years, might simply have been by choice, he was in a helluva good position with the B`s
I actually don`t give a rats ass about how he was in Colorado nor do I care that he`s been an assistant for all these years, might simply have been by choice, he was in a helluva good position with the B`s
DKH
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smithformeragent
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It's sad that Monty is taking the hit for your GM.
Big signifying this summer Lindholm and Zadorov.
Lindholm never though he was that good.
Zadorov had a great contract year
Big signifying this summer Lindholm and Zadorov.
Lindholm never though he was that good.
Zadorov had a great contract year
I'd say fire him into a black hole but it would probably break our understanding of the universe as it would be the first time a black hole would actually spit something out after consuming it.
Shaun
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we’re f***ed if they are thinking about giving sacco a real shot
Dicky113
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I’m glad people are finally starting to realize how bad he is. He inherited a tremendous core and rode them, but it became clear in that 2015 draft how bad he was at this job. You can afford to be arrogant if you’re really smart; you can afford to be stupid if you are humble and listen to others, but you can’t be arrogant and stupid - it never works. He always thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and gets taken advantage of time after time by people that realize how dumb he really is. And this is not hindsight, it was apparent in the moment during the 2015 draft, during the Ullmark trade, during the swayman negotiations and during the signing of Zadorov and Lindholm.
He’s an idiot that thinks he’s a genius, we will never come out of this nightmare until him and his enabler are gone.
dredeye
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Ridiculous. Sweeney should not have had the privilege of firing another manager
I think the response to that question is where's the middle? Last year's roster over-achieved, no question, this year's is under-achieving. On paper they were neither as good as they looked for a lot of last season, nor as bad as they are now. But where exactly between the two should they be, under a competent coach and with at least most of the squad healthy? In no world is this a genuine Cup-contending team. But it shouldn't be a total cellar-dweller either, which in a lot of key metrics they currently are.
Are they good enough that you want to see them have at least a half-decent back end of the season, sneak into the playoffs and have at least a little run, followed by some re-tooling in the offseason? Or would it be better in the long-term if they simply completely crashed and burned now, forcing deeper change from the deadline and beyond, possibly including a change of GM or similar? Essentially, does this group and its management need tinkering or a blowtorch?
I think most knew this was coming. I wish Monty the best.
HisIceness
This is Hurricanes Hockey
Hell ill do it. Id like to put my skills to the test. Here's how I'd do it.
Win game? We go out for ice cream.
Lose game? We still go for ice cream but they can only get pistachio-flavored and they have to finish it.
I look forward to this opportunity.
smithformeragent
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Life comes at you fast.
One day, you’re setting the world on fire, the next you’re out on your ass.
I’d been calling for the tear down & rebuild for a while, and Sweeney kept this club in contention. (At least, that’s what the results show)
Montgomery was the right guy for the job, and they had one all time regular season coupled with an all time playoff collapse, followed by a very good regular season and a playoff round win, losing out to the juggernaut Cup champ.
It didn’t take long for the bottom to fall out.
Did the coach suddenly forget how to coach?
Do they not have the horses? Was he the wrong coach for this group of players?
I guess we’ll see.
But this thing feels fundamentally broken.
I’m looking for the leaders on this team to show up.
Marchand first and foremost.
Then McAvoy, Pastrnak, Swayman.
It starts with them.
A man lost his job. That’s how it goes in this league.
One day, you’re setting the world on fire, the next you’re out on your ass.
I’d been calling for the tear down & rebuild for a while, and Sweeney kept this club in contention. (At least, that’s what the results show)
Montgomery was the right guy for the job, and they had one all time regular season coupled with an all time playoff collapse, followed by a very good regular season and a playoff round win, losing out to the juggernaut Cup champ.
It didn’t take long for the bottom to fall out.
Did the coach suddenly forget how to coach?
Do they not have the horses? Was he the wrong coach for this group of players?
I guess we’ll see.
But this thing feels fundamentally broken.
I’m looking for the leaders on this team to show up.
Marchand first and foremost.
Then McAvoy, Pastrnak, Swayman.
It starts with them.
A man lost his job. That’s how it goes in this league.
DKH
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I got multiple texts from my friends thinking/guessing Sullivan
If Sacco doesn’t kick butt I can see his former teammate, sometimes linemate, and good friend Mike Sullivan here
Since they are local stars who played together would Sullivan come here as an assistant if Sacco does well
Take a break come home, be with his son in law McAvoy, college teammate Sacco, team he played for and coached ?
LouJersey
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What fantasy land are you living in? They just had a negotiation the summer before. Remember? The Bruins had zero cap space and needed to go short term. Do you really think if they went 3/18 then he would not have taken it? Swayman got punted because of crappy cap management. Insanity. As for not negotiating until they dealt Ullmark are the Bruins really that stupid? OK let us trade our leverage without even having an inkling of what you're asking for. Incompetence at it's finest, I thought you held this management team in high regard? They rushed the deal because they had a hard on for Letourneau and were afraid Linus was going to change his no trade list.
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There is at least some truth in this, maybe a lot.
It's also possible that Montgomery isn't that great at dealing with adversity. He hit a few rough patches during his time in Boston. Maybe he's a fine coach when things are going good, maybe he gets overwhelmed when things are not going so good, such as they have been the past 3-4 weeks. There has been no shortage of strained relations with the players or confessions to the media that he has no idea what to do to fix it. That's not a strategy for keeping the job.
But to Lou's point, how many people would have raised their hand 6 months ago when asked if they expected big things from a team employing the likes of Max Jones, Koepke, Tufte, Brazeau, etc.? I mean, how many fans even *really* knew much about these guys before they joined Boston? Couple that underwhelming cast of characters (and others) with weird struggles from just about everybody else and presto your coach is in trouble. Now, watch that coach meltdown while Rome is burning and... here we are today. Point being, it ain't just the coach... but it's also the coach.
Until they fix the line up full of players that have no fight in them things will stay the same.
This core don't mind losing and getting on with there summer vaction plans, its been a broken record year after year.
Our 11m dollar goalscorer could not manage a shot on net monday even floating on 6 power plays one would think he would hit the net once, even by accident.
No coach is fixing a players willingness to give a s***, the roster is loaded with them.
Trades need to happen
This core don't mind losing and getting on with there summer vaction plans, its been a broken record year after year.
Our 11m dollar goalscorer could not manage a shot on net monday even floating on 6 power plays one would think he would hit the net once, even by accident.
No coach is fixing a players willingness to give a s***, the roster is loaded with them.
Trades need to happen
