WWE: Monday Night Raw part 157: Announcing intentions to interfere in matches

[Emperoreddy]

Gallager though.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Kind hilarious considering he's now in the Bullet Club doing the same things that Gallows and Anderson did years ago, and his own brother Dustin signed off on it.

I like Cody as a performer but he seems whiny. Like, I'm sorry about your dad man, but that was an extremely tame thing for a heel to do.

And here I remember The Big Bossman digging up Big Shows dad's casket and driving it around the cemetery attached to his car. I loved his absolutely despicable heel gimmick. Make someone pretty much the worst human on earth, I think it's a good premise.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

Big E got some heat from the higher ups for his Charlotte championship joke on Raw last week

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Big E got some heat from the higher ups for his Charlotte championship joke on Raw last week

Does anyone else picture the higher ups as a bunch of corporate suits with absolutely no sense of humor as well as void of any creativity whatsoever? It's like lawyers running TV networks or bean counters building automobiles.

 

[Virtanen18]

AJ Styles is not getting booked as a coward

Rollins was before Owens. Has made Raw terrible to watch.

 

[GKJ]

Does anyone else picture the higher ups as a bunch of corporate suits with absolutely no sense of humor as well as void of any creativity whatsoever? It's like lawyers running TV networks or bean counters building automobiles.

I think you'll get another when Rich Swann drops the title to Neville.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Rollins was before Owens. Has made Raw terrible to watch.

They're two of the worst booked champions in recent memory. At least Rollins was fun to watch in the ring during his reign.

 

[vdB]

Rollins was before Owens. Has made Raw terrible to watch.

Ok but you said wwe is unwilling to book a heel champ who isn't a coward. That's not true. AJ Styles isnt booked that way.

And why bring up Rollins? That's in the past.

 

[Paris in Flames]

Because when you say somebody is "unwilling" to do something you need to provide recent examples to support the claim. Seth Rollins is a perfect example. You can't say "that's the past man!" when he's providing evidence to support why he thinks that.

 

[Virtanen18]

Because when you say somebody is "unwilling" to do something you need to provide recent examples to support the claim. Seth Rollins is a perfect example. You can't say "that's the past man!" when he's providing evidence to support why he thinks that.

Thanks for saving me the time.

Raw and Smackdown are just so different it's hard to compare the two. Apparently Vince has his hands on both of them, but they just don't feel the same at all. Raw feels like the same old **** its been for years, whereas Smackdown is more what I want it to be like. Better writers and less yes men I guess.

 

[vdB]

Because when you say somebody is "unwilling" to do something you need to provide recent examples to support the claim. Seth Rollins is a perfect example. You can't say "that's the past man!" when he's providing evidence to support why he thinks that.

The past is irrelevant in this discussion. We're talking about the WWE not willing to book a heel champ who isn't a wuss. THERE'S ONE RIGHT NOW.

lol this ain't rocket science. very dumb argument.

 

[Virtanen18]

You calling other people's argument "very dumb". Hoo boy, I've seen it all.

 

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[Cor]

Bringing up AJ Styles booking isn't a very supportive argument.

He's been booked like a chump who is 1-3 against James Ellsworth.

It appears it's turning back around now, but while he may not be a "coward" he is being booked to look like a doofus.


WWE seemingly can't have a heel champion.... who is still a straight up champion. They are either cowardly, or foolish

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Bringing up AJ Styles booking isn't a very supportive argument.

He's been booked like a chump who is 1-3 against James Ellsworth.

It appears it's turning back around now, but while he may not be a "coward" he is being booked to look like a doofus.


WWE seemingly can't have a heel champion.... who is still a straight up champion. They are either cowardly, or foolish

Everyone is a fool in wrestling in one aspect or another with their character. That isn't a legitimate argument either. That one in 1-3 with Ellsworth was a squash while all the three were because of Ambrose. I mean, you can't talk about how someone is booked and drop all the context behind their booking.

 

[These Are The Days]

Bringing up AJ Styles booking isn't a very supportive argument.

He's been booked like a chump who is 1-3 against James Ellsworth.

It appears it's turning back around now, but while he may not be a "coward" he is being booked to look like a doofus.


WWE seemingly can't have a heel champion.... who is still a straight up champion. They are either cowardly, or foolish

Cowardly isn't so bad so long as he is actually cunning

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Styles is 1-3 against Ellsworth solely because of Ambrose. No Ambrose and Styles destroyed Ellsworth in 30 seconds.

 

[vdB]

He defended the title last night in a triple threat without much fuss.

No way in hell is he being booked as a chump/coward.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Styles is 1-3 against Ellsworth solely because of Ambrose. No Ambrose and Styles destroyed Ellsworth in 30 seconds.

Not to mention one of Styles' defeats was the result of a merciless beat down of Ellsworth that Styles wouldn't let up on.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Styles has been booked a lot stronger but 1-3 to a jobber like Ellsworth is still weak booking. Dean or not.

It isn't so bad though because they give AJ plenty of clean wins too. I don't get this company's general aversion to letting their heel champ win clean every so often.

 

[GKJ]

By Elimination Chamber, nobody will give a **** about Styles' record vs. Ellsworth.

 

[Virtanen18]

Styles has been booked a lot stronger but 1-3 to a jobber like Ellsworth is still weak booking. Dean or not.

It isn't so bad though because they give AJ plenty of clean wins too. I don't get this company's general aversion to letting their heel champ win clean every so often.

Styles won clean yesterday. Everything before that doesn't matter, or something.

 

[Emperoreddy]

By Elimination Chamber, nobody will give a **** about Styles' record vs. Ellsworth.

Ya it won't matter when he drops the belt to Cena.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

By Elimination Chamber, nobody will give a **** about Styles' record vs. Ellsworth.

Nobody should give a **** about it now either. He destroyed Ellsworth when Ambrose wasn't involved in 30 seconds and beat Corbin and Ziggler clean last night in a triple threat.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Styles has been booked a lot stronger but 1-3 to a jobber like Ellsworth is still weak booking. Dean or not.

It isn't so bad though because they give AJ plenty of clean wins too. I don't get this company's general aversion to letting their heel champ win clean every so often.

It's only weak booking when you completely ignore the context of those three wins. I mean, if people just want to make their points w/o acknowledging reality then yeah go for it but it doesn't make it right. Ellsworth doesn't win jack w/o Ambrose being involved. All you have to do is actually look at the finishes of those matches to get an understanding of how it was and why it doesn't make Styles weak. Before any of this started, he had clean wins over guys like Cena and a strong heel win over Ambrose. Ellsworth only won because in one instance, Ambrose was the special ref that did a finisher and put a completely out of it Ellsworth on top plus a fast count to win. The second was Styles beating the ever loving crap out of Ellsworth and getting DQ'd. The third was Ambrose again getting involved in a ladder match but at least that one you can make a good argument for weak booking and a goofy finish with the rope tie-up after no-chin music. But just saying 1-3 doesn't actually paint the proper picture of what was going on.