The price seems normal for a generic second pair D, so it isn't that surprising in that regard. But with all the issues around Provorov I would have thought we wouldn't have to move multiple picks for him.
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The price seems normal for a generic second pair D, so it isn't that surprising in that regard. But with all the issues around Provorov I would have thought we wouldn't have to move multiple picks for him.
Ice9
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So agents, flyer management, teammates AND the scouts ALL went to whoever diddles with flyerinsider.com whining about the guy?!
Quite the scoop...
Ehhhh...
Quite the scoop...
Ehhhh...
Too bad. They just redid it, no?
A 1st & a 2nd for two years for a medicare Dman who the Flyers were trying to dump in the worst way possible? Good grief.
Not paying this team a dime with him on the roster. This franchise is a joke and JD & Jarmo have been here 10 years. Time for them to hit the road.
I just grabbed the first link after a 3-second Google, which all of you are welcome to do.
I responded because I don't follow the "player perception issues" part of the post I quoted.
LoveCBJ
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Jarmo has got to go. Pathetic.
Jarmo has got to go. Pathetic.
Jarmo has got to go. Pathetic.
Ice9
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No biggie. You didn't write it or make it up.
Its kinda comical to picture a parade of agents and all the others hanging out in an nhl locker room waiting to dig stuff up on Player. Plus it's a year old.
Time will tell...
the 4.7mil caphit probably played a part in the cost. Good with potential for great
MissADD
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I wonder if them trading multiple picks was what made salary retention possible? I know this is a messy trade, but all three teams won in terms of what they want with the cap
CBJ goalie
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I'm pretty confident saying this likely nullifies any trade for Kevin Hayes.
It would have happened in the same trade if it was going to happen.
It would have happened in the same trade if it was going to happen.
KallioWeHardlyKnewYe
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My gut reaction is I would have rather kept and resigned Gavrikov.
Viqsi
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I've decided that, until we know otherwise, the conditions on the picks are that if he skips a warmup for any reason the 2nd going to the Flyers goes from 2024 to 2025, and if he creates another major public controversy the Flyers don't get a 2nd at all.
Is this even legal under the CBA? Damned if I know. Probably not. But, hey, we've got so many others here already blithely posting silliness based entirely on their personal biases, so I suppose it's only fair I get to join in.
Is this even legal under the CBA? Damned if I know. Probably not. But, hey, we've got so many others here already blithely posting silliness based entirely on their personal biases, so I suppose it's only fair I get to join in.
Nanabijou
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Yes, I would say the 1st for Provorov and the 2nd is for the 30% salary retention, basically.
MissADD
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Probably, but this trade had a lot of moving pieces so I could see them separating it to uncomplicate things a bit.
Here's a pretty timely article from The Athletic on Provorov, from 4 days ago:
theathletic.com
Someone posted on the mains that CBJ gets to (must) choose after the '24 first round concludes whether the 2nd round pick is in '24 or '25, but I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere. I hope it's as simple as that!
Ivan Provorov’s fit with the Flyers is no longer comfortable but a trade isn't certain
Provorov undeniably underwhelmed for the third straight season and now his Flyers future is in question.
theathletic.com
I've decided that, until we know otherwise, the conditions on the picks are that if he skips a warmup for any reason the 2nd going to the Flyers goes from 2024 to 2025, and if he creates another major public controversy the Flyers don't get a 2nd at all.
Is this even legal under the CBA? Damned if I know. Probably not. But, hey, we've got so many others here already blithely posting silliness based entirely on their personal biases, so I suppose it's only fair I get to join in.
Someone posted on the mains that CBJ gets to (must) choose after the '24 first round concludes whether the 2nd round pick is in '24 or '25, but I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere. I hope it's as simple as that!
Ice9
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Seems the entire organization has been underperforming for a while not just him.
Sure gets some work horse minutes for such an underperformer...
Sure gets some work horse minutes for such an underperformer...
"Improving our blue line has been a priority for us and acquiring Ivan gives us an established left-shot defenseman who is still a young player with his best seasons in front of him," said Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen. "He immediately improves our group on defense as he is durable, has great skill, skates well, is an excellent passer with an accurate shot and can effectively play at both ends of the ice."
www.tsn.ca
Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Ivan Provorov from Philadelphia Flyers in three-team deal | TSN
The Columbus Blue Jackets have acquired defenceman Ivan Provorov from the Philadelphia Flyers as part of a three-team deal that also includes the Los Angeles Kings.
www.tsn.ca
BB88
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With UFA’s it’s just not what you want
Back in the day, I wanted Provorov instead of Werenski in the draft. Today, I do feel this improves the team, and think that Provorov's decline is too personally charged to him rather than the Flyers as a whole- I think he's an ideal 2nd pairing defenseman if he can regain his form, but I wish I could feel as happy about this as I would have back in 2015.
The off-ice and PR controversies that come along with this acquisition are really just a damn shame. Otherwise I would be really happy with it, and pretty confident that he will turn around his play. He definitely needed a change of scenery.
The off-ice and PR controversies that come along with this acquisition are really just a damn shame. Otherwise I would be really happy with it, and pretty confident that he will turn around his play. He definitely needed a change of scenery.
Man, I can’t believe a CBJ trade broke HFBoards
I mean you don’t have to go too far to see how a bad team system affects a defensive player - look at Gavrikov, most people here crossed him off and called hot garbage and then he went to LA and had a ridiculous stretch of solid games with all the extended stats confirming it.
Provorov was their best d man until Flyers went off rails.
He’s typically solid defensively and see what he can do on offense as well
Our LHD top 4 with Werenski and Provorov is already among the best in the league
Iron Balls McGinty
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He's durable. Great. What's the over/under on him going on IR in the first month of the season."Improving our blue line has been a priority for us and acquiring Ivan gives us an established left-shot defenseman who is still a young player with his best seasons in front of him," said Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen. "He immediately improves our group on defense as he is durable, has great skill, skates well, is an excellent passer with an accurate shot and can effectively play at both ends of the ice."
Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Ivan Provorov from Philadelphia Flyers in three-team deal | TSN
The Columbus Blue Jackets have acquired defenceman Ivan Provorov from the Philadelphia Flyers as part of a three-team deal that also includes the Los Angeles Kings.
Could we just not. What's next, who can we trade for or hire to complete the offseason trifecta? Quenneville somehow?
He better play well.
He better play well.
