tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
The Polar Twins select:
Udo Kiessling, D
International Hockey Hall of Fame - 2000
Olympic Bronze - 1976
World Championship All-Star Team - 1987
German Elite League MVP - 1977, 1984, 1986
German Elite League champion - 1977, 1979, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988
German Elite League Defenseman of the Year - 6x
German Elite League All Star - 15x
First hockey player to participate in 5 Olympics
First German to play in the NHL - 1981
Season
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Team
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GP
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G
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A
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P
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PIM
1972-73|SC Riessersee G-P|40 | 8 | 6 | 14
1973-74|Augsburger EV|36 | 16 | 6 | 22
1974-75|9 SB Rosenheim| 34 |20 | 18 | 38
1975-76| SB Rosenheim|34 |30 |22 | 52
1976-77| Cologne|46 | 13 | 21 | 34
1977-78| Cologne|39 |16 |18 | 34
1978-79| Cologne|40 | 28 |32 | 60
1979-80| Duesseldorf EG | 48 | 39 |44 |83 |84
1980-81 | Duesseldorf EG | 39 | 14 |29 |43 |93
1981-82 | Minnesota North Stars | 1 |0 |0 | 0 |2
1981-82 | Duesseldorf EG | 38 | 15 |22 |37 |54
1982-83 | Fuessen EV | 21 | 12 |13 |25 |52
1982-83 | Cologne EC | 9 | 4 |0 |4 |2
1983-84 | Cologne EC | 45| 9 |19 |28 |74
1984-85 | Cologne EC | 36 | 14 |26 |40 |38
1985-86 | Cologne EC | 37 | 18 |27 |45 |41
1986-87 | Cologne EC | 42 | 10 |34 |44 |70
1987-88 | Cologne EC | 46 | 12 |27 |39 |76
1988-89 | Cologne EC | 31 | 11 |24 |35 |38
1989-90 | Cologne EC | 35| 7 |15 |22 |45
1990-91 | Cologne EC | 35 | 7 |13 |20 |36
1991-92 | Cologne EC | 42 | 11 |23 |34 |38
1992-93 | Landshut EV | 44 | 9 |19 |28 |50
1993-94 | Landshut EV | 44 | 3 |16 |19 |74
1994-95 | Landshut EV | 41 | 7 |15 |22 |40
1995-96 | Landshut EV | 50 | 3 | 19 | 22 |44
Udo Kiessling, D
International Hockey Hall of Fame - 2000
Olympic Bronze - 1976
World Championship All-Star Team - 1987
German Elite League MVP - 1977, 1984, 1986
German Elite League champion - 1977, 1979, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988
German Elite League Defenseman of the Year - 6x
German Elite League All Star - 15x
First hockey player to participate in 5 Olympics
First German to play in the NHL - 1981
1972-73|SC Riessersee G-P|40 | 8 | 6 | 14
1973-74|Augsburger EV|36 | 16 | 6 | 22
1974-75|9 SB Rosenheim| 34 |20 | 18 | 38
1975-76| SB Rosenheim|34 |30 |22 | 52
1976-77| Cologne|46 | 13 | 21 | 34
1977-78| Cologne|39 |16 |18 | 34
1978-79| Cologne|40 | 28 |32 | 60
1979-80| Duesseldorf EG | 48 | 39 |44 |83 |84
1980-81 | Duesseldorf EG | 39 | 14 |29 |43 |93
1981-82 | Minnesota North Stars | 1 |0 |0 | 0 |2
1981-82 | Duesseldorf EG | 38 | 15 |22 |37 |54
1982-83 | Fuessen EV | 21 | 12 |13 |25 |52
1982-83 | Cologne EC | 9 | 4 |0 |4 |2
1983-84 | Cologne EC | 45| 9 |19 |28 |74
1984-85 | Cologne EC | 36 | 14 |26 |40 |38
1985-86 | Cologne EC | 37 | 18 |27 |45 |41
1986-87 | Cologne EC | 42 | 10 |34 |44 |70
1987-88 | Cologne EC | 46 | 12 |27 |39 |76
1988-89 | Cologne EC | 31 | 11 |24 |35 |38
1989-90 | Cologne EC | 35| 7 |15 |22 |45
1990-91 | Cologne EC | 35 | 7 |13 |20 |36
1991-92 | Cologne EC | 42 | 11 |23 |34 |38
1992-93 | Landshut EV | 44 | 9 |19 |28 |50
1993-94 | Landshut EV | 44 | 3 |16 |19 |74
1994-95 | Landshut EV | 41 | 7 |15 |22 |40
1995-96 | Landshut EV | 50 | 3 | 19 | 22 |44
(I did my best to translate German articles into coherent English)
Joe Pelletier said:Udo Kiessling is considered to be the best defensemen in the history of German hockey.
Kiessling, often described as Germany's hockey "heart,"
Though small by NHL standards, he was a physical defender.
The North Stars became interested in Kiessling's services and signed the 5'10" 180lb blueliner to a contract late in 1982, though they had been pursuing him as early as 1979.
By 1987 Kiessling proved to be one of the best defenseman outside of the NHL.
Hockey Hall of Fame said:but Udo Kiessling will go down in history as one of the best players Germany ever produced. Kiessling, a rugged defenseman with talent...
In a poll of readers of the German Eishockey News, he was chosen the best German defenseman of all time, receiving 4,921 votes to 3,871 for second-place xxxxxx, who scored the winning goal in overtime to give the Colorado Avalanche the Stanley Cup in 1996. ...
Although West German fans viewed him as an ambassador of the sport, some Canadians playing in the Bundesliga called him the dirtiest player in the league and charged that the referees protected him because of his stature.
World Hockey said:West Germany’s UDO KIESSLING also played exactly one NHL game, for the Minnesota North Stars at the end of the 1981-82 schedule. Kiessling, who had been pursued by North Stars general manager xxxxxx on several occasions, was actually on an ‘amateur’ try-out deal. Minnesota offered Kiessling a full contract, but the defenseman wanted to return to Europe to play for his country at the 1982 IIHF World Championships in Finland and turned it down.
Sports-reference.com said:His popularity can be mostly impressed by his fans who created the following hymn on him: “Er ist kein Mensch, er ist ein Tier und spielt in Köln mit der Nummer 4†(He is not a man – he is an animal – and he plays in Cologne with number 4).
Oliver Trust said:Strong-willed, consistent -- he is a model professional hockey player. Coach Hans Zach sees in him a "militant nonsmoker" and points to his strict renunciation of alcohol consumption. ...
The great "old man" of German hockey was nothing special as a child. "As a talent Udo was always mediocre. 70 percent of it came from hard work," said his father Gerhard [ed: former coach of the East German national team, a real nice guy]. ...
His fighting spirit, not limited to the playing field, has earned him few friends. ...
After a few training sessions and two games [with the North Stars] Kiessling had had enough. "Sat on the bench, shot against the post, escaped a mass brawl by accident, experienced everything," was his summary.
Der Spiegel 5/3/1979 said:By the age of five, Udo Kiessling had already played for Prussia's junior team, where no one else was younger than ten. Fans paid five marks to see the nimble tot.
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Even professional managers in North America have become aware of the family team. The New York Rangers and Canadian clubs have made offers to the Kiesslings.
The Miami Herald 2/22/1988 said:...when Udo Kiessling split two US defenders...
Kitchener-Waterloo Record 2/18/1992 said:Headline: "Germany's Gordie Howe"
In time, he would surpass even the achievements of the most famous German forward of the day, Erich Kuhnhackl. Kiessling's day is still going.
Undrafted said:"He was sort of the Bobby Orr of Germany."
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Clearly, the big issue with Kiessling is establishing some frame of reference for how his talents would translate to elite competition. Our only direct reference is his Olympic and, to a lesser extent, World Championship experience. However, we also have to keep in mind that Kiessling was playing for a West German team that was perpetually fending off relegation, so it's not like he had a whole lot of chance against Team Canada or Team USSR.
Let's look at his Olympic record first:
1976 - At age 20, Kiessling was already coming off his 4th domestic professional season. He managed only 1 assist in 6 games as West Germany won a very surprising bronze medal.
1980 - In Lake Placid, Kiessling managed to scored a goal against Jim Craig and the Americans. He finished with 2 goals and 2 assists in 5 games, but the Germans got crushed including a 11-3 loss to the Czechs.
1984 - Kiessling scored 2-1-3 as the Germans managed a respectable 4-1-1 record including a tie with Sweden.
1988 - Despite losing the first 2 games to Canada and Finland by a combined score of 16-1, Kiessling led the Germans to a respectable 4-4 record and scored 1-5-6.
1992 - Now in his late 30s, Kiessling was shut out as the Germans went 3-4-1, including a tie of Team Canada.
By means of comparison:
- In the 3 Olympics they shared, Fetisov scored 12-21-33 in 22 games while Kiessling scored 6-8-14 in 19 games.
- In 1984, both Chelios and Kiessling scored 3 points. No Canadian or American defenseman had more than 3.
- In 1988, an aging Kiessling put up an identical stat line to a young Brian Leetch.
Of course, this doesn't mean that Kiessling was on the level of Chelios or Leetch in the grand scheme. They were youngsters, whereas he was already on the back nine. But clearly he was not chopped liver next to them either, putting up identical points against identical competition at those specific junctures in time.
World championship records are a bit of a pain to track down, so rather than go through it all I'm just going to use Kiessling's prime accomplishment as an example of his ceiling. Here's the 1987 WC All Star Team:
Krutov - Truntschka - Makarov
Fetisov - Kiessling
Hasek
Not half-bad company for him to be in.
Domestic scoring is even more difficult because the records are definitely incomplete and of questionable face value. The best I can do here is try to triangulate his NHL "conversion rate" by looking at the NHL-experienced players around him:
- In 1980, Kiessling scored 83 points, virtually identical to xxxxx who scored 84 as a forward. xxxxxx had just come to Germany after being point-per-game in the AHL for a couple of years. Prior to that, he had played a couple of full seasons for the Rockies and had been worth about a half-point per game in the NHL. That same season, yyyyyy scored 44 points -- previously he had played in Cleveland where he also was worth about half a point per-game.
- Fast-forward to 1986, Kiessling scored 45 points in 37 games. On his team was a young zzzzzz, who was about a year removed from jumping to the NHL where he would be worth about 15-20 points per full season. Zzzzzzz trailed Kiessling by 14 points despite playing 8 more games.
With full apologies for how completely unscientific this method is, we could look at Kiessling next to xxxxx, yyyyy and zzzzz and conclude that if they all joined an NHL club we would see zzzzzz scoring ~20 points a season, yyyyyyy scoring ~40, and xxxxxxx scoring perhaps ~50. Kiessling would land somewhere around 25-50 points per season. In theory, anyway.
Conclusions: There is a hell of a lot of missing data, so we can't draw any hard conclusions, but we can reasonably deduce the following:
- Kiessling would have been a decent support scorer on an NHL blue line, scoring maybe 40-50 points in his peak seasons (mid-1980s numbers, mind you!) and then declining back into the ~30 point neighborhood during the early 1990s.
- It's just plain impossible to know how his defense would have translated, but we know he really got under the skin of Canadians who played against him. He would not have been a bad defender in the NHL, we can be pretty certain of that.
- The big picture is a guy who contributes offensively, plays at least decent defense with an agitating edge, and does these things year-in-year out with a very high compete level till a freak injury forces his retirement at 40. When on his game and at his best, he had a higher gear that might elevate him into "3rd All Star" territory.