OT: MLB Thread XLIII
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Bob Richards
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oh how this has a chance to be ultra dimensional mets right here
which is funny since yesterday beltran was the first guy to come out and say the story was BS and the astros didn't do those things...
but man, it would be the metiest's mets thing ever if houston doesn't get punished but beltran gets suspended for a year over it and the mets don't have a manager LOL
mrmovies779
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If he got suspended I would imagine the Mets would probably fire him. I don’t see them going an interim route after a year and then bringing a guy in with a year left on the contract after that happened
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ponzu4u
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Personally, I find it is asinine to suggest shrugging off what the Astros are accused of because "stealing signs" has always been part of baseball. It should be investigated and if it's found that they have been using an elaborate camera system to steal signs from opposing teams they should be punished significantly for that. But yeah, I'm not in favor of forfeiting championships...
And I don't see how the steroid argument isn't incredibly apt:
Obviously there has been steady improvement in player diets and training since MLB began. And more importantly major development in health, fitness, nutrition and exercise in general. There is no question the average MLB player is significantly more maximized and optimized to produce stats than someone like Babe Ruth, who boozed and ate hot dogs on game nights.
Yet with HGH and other steroids, MLB and the public was able to decide on a certain limit to what an individual could legally do to improve his body under MLB rules.
Likewise, sign stealing and the gamesmanship around it, tipping pitches, etc. has always been a part of the game, and has no doubt seen significant advances over the last 100 years. But to suggest it wouldn't be utterly simple to specifically establish in the MLB rulebook a clear set of enforcable guidelines around sign-stealing... come on.
Clarify the rule. Establish strict punishment. Enforce.
If it ends up being found to have been truly egregious enough - put an asterisk on their championship.
And I don't see how the steroid argument isn't incredibly apt:
Obviously there has been steady improvement in player diets and training since MLB began. And more importantly major development in health, fitness, nutrition and exercise in general. There is no question the average MLB player is significantly more maximized and optimized to produce stats than someone like Babe Ruth, who boozed and ate hot dogs on game nights.
Yet with HGH and other steroids, MLB and the public was able to decide on a certain limit to what an individual could legally do to improve his body under MLB rules.
Likewise, sign stealing and the gamesmanship around it, tipping pitches, etc. has always been a part of the game, and has no doubt seen significant advances over the last 100 years. But to suggest it wouldn't be utterly simple to specifically establish in the MLB rulebook a clear set of enforcable guidelines around sign-stealing... come on.
Clarify the rule. Establish strict punishment. Enforce.
If it ends up being found to have been truly egregious enough - put an asterisk on their championship.
Irishguy42
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Bob Richards
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BroadwayBlues
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Re: Astros punishment
I would forbid their player transaction for the next two seasons. So no ML or International player acquisitions.
Take away their 1st round picks in that same time frame. Two seasons.
AJ Hinch 20' season suspension.
I would forbid their player transaction for the next two seasons. So no ML or International player acquisitions.
Take away their 1st round picks in that same time frame. Two seasons.
AJ Hinch 20' season suspension.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
I like the way you think. Unfortunately I doubt that MLB has balls that big.
17futurecap
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The punishment has to hurt the team, no one is going to give a shit when you fine a guy a million dollars that is worth 2.5 billion.
Machinehead
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LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
darko
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Change is good.
Eh, depending on the actual punishment, it might be fine. Forfeit their next two first and second round picks plus all their international signing money for two years...? That’s painful.
Ratelleitlikeitis
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When NYY scored one or fewer runs in four of the seven games, they weren't robbed. They were shut down.
RangerBlues
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What exactly are you going to do to the Astros that is really going to hurt them in the now?
No player is going to be suspended.
The manager or GM suspended? so what
Draft picks? Meaningless
Cash fines? Unless its 50 million or more its meaningless.
No player is going to be suspended.
The manager or GM suspended? so what
Draft picks? Meaningless
Cash fines? Unless its 50 million or more its meaningless.
but they were shutdown cause the astros were stealing the pitches that their own pitchers were throwing, therefore making it so the yankee hitters were at an unfair disadvantage
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