Mitch the creative passer edition

[v00d00daddy]

He was excellent last night. He and matthew’s we’re miles better than anyone else on the ice.

He had great moments and they hide things that should never ever happen. Things that have nothing to do with lack of skill.

If you record the games go back to last night.

Go to 5:25 left in the 1st period and you’ll see an example of why Marner has to change his hockey personality. I wish I could find it online so I could post it.

He makes a crappy pass attempt to the point, whines with a stick slap on the boards instead of putting his head down and trying to help Gio who is now having to deal with pressure. His linemates (29 and 34) go to help Gio while Marner is the last guy floating out of the Calgary zone.

No matter how great his highlights are, this is more important. It’s this mindset that destroys the leafs in the playoffs. When a superstar in their room does this crap and isn’t called out (or is and doesn’t change), the non stars have a hard time playing “right”.

He should have been screamed at on the bench and sat for the rest of the period.

 

[ACC1224]

He had great moments and they hide things that should never ever happen. Things that have nothing to do with lack of skill.

If you record the games go back to last night.

Go to 5:25 left in the 1st period and you’ll see an example of why Marner has to change his hockey personality. I wish I could find it online so I could post it.

He makes a crappy pass attempt to the point, whines with a stick slap on the boards instead of putting his head down and trying to help Gio who is now having to deal with pressure. His linemates (29 and 34) go to help Gio while Marner is the last guy floating out of the Calgary zone.

No matter how great his highlights are, this is more important. It’s this mindset that destroys the leafs in the playoffs. When a superstar in their room does this crap and isn’t called out (or is and doesn’t change), the non stars have a hard time playing “right”.

He should have been screamed at on the bench and sat for the rest of the period.

All players make mistakes from time to time, it happens.
I don't think anyone has ever said he's a perfect player.

 

[v00d00daddy]

All players make mistakes from time to time, it happens.
I don't think anyone has ever said he's a perfect player.

Totally agree. It’s how he handled the mistake and how there was no fallout for that reaction.

If you’re a star you don’t just slam your stick against the boards after making a mistake. You put your head down and make up for it. Help your teammates. He just doesn’t seem like that kind of player.

And that type of mistake is a greggor mistake. When a 4th liner fans on a play to move the puck he gets called out. Rightfully so.

But when it’s Marner…

A) it shouldn’t happen very often. He’s amazing. But he does half assed, light tap puck plays because sometimes they come out and look awesome. But when they don’t work…he looks awful

And

B) he doesn’t react properly and sets a terrible example.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Seems like Marner will make sneaky to incredible passes in chaos on a regular basis but often not execute the clean, quick and efficient plays that help space things properly in the ozone. To Kypreos’ point that the Leafs are a poor passing team. He doesn’t distribute it clean a la Giroux, Kane, Kucherov. His play style is definitely… different.

The Calgary game showed how many cute plays he likes to make that ended up on the Flames sticks. He kept making hope passes to the middle of the ice in both zones. I just wish he wouldn't try to make those artistic passes all the time...just play the game with your skill and stop trying to be on the highlight reels.

 

[v00d00daddy]

The Calgary game showed how many cute plays he likes to make that ended up on the Flames sticks. He kept making hope passes to the middle of the ice in both zones. I just wish he wouldn't try to make those artistic passes all the time...just play the game with your skill and stop trying to be on the highlight reels.

I remember a simple breakout pass to Matthews that was bodies behind him and led to a scoring chance for Calgary.

And how many times has he made simple breakout passes into Matthews feet that go unnoticed because Matthews almost always kicks them up to his feet without losing a stride.

Simple things to fix that marner chooses not to

 

[ULF_55]

I thought he was excellent yesterday.

However, with the PP to end the game he has a giveaway in the opposition end on a play he didn't have to make.
Sometimes he just has to think the situation better.
This isn't new though, he's made the same kind of mistakes in the past.

I think that is his Waterloo, accepting not every play has to be to about offense.

 

[Stephen]

The Calgary game showed how many cute plays he likes to make that ended up on the Flames sticks. He kept making hope passes to the middle of the ice in both zones. I just wish he wouldn't try to make those artistic passes all the time...just play the game with your skill and stop trying to be on the highlight reels.

He was at center ice outside the blueline and received a high outlet pass and he decided to scorpion kick it. It bounced back and Calgary had an easy zone entry and mucked it up a bit before a whistle. Basically the regular season reminder of his major malfunction vs Florida in Game 2. Like just button down on all that extra little stuff don’t turn routine moments into adventures.

 

[Nineteen67]

Another so-so night for Marner. Can’t the coaches sit him down and show him that many of those unnecessary plays he tries make cost them against the good teams. Maybe they have and he’s not smart enough to figure it out.

 

[pcruz]

I thought he was excellent yesterday.

However, with the PP to end the game he has a giveaway in the opposition end on a play he didn't have to make.
Sometimes he just has to think the situation better.
This isn't new though, he's made the same kind of mistakes in the past.

I think that is his Waterloo, accepting not every play has to be to about offense.

That play to end the game was all on coaching.

Jonny called it before the pp started, "they have a chance to kill the last 2 minutes off the clock here".

Keefe then puts out 34 16 88 44 and 78.

Matthews and Marner play keep away instead of creating, and that invites pressure and eventually the giveaway that allows Calgary to attack.

 

[Gary Nylund]

All players make mistakes from time to time, it happens.
I don't think anyone has ever said he's a perfect player.

Is that what you really think that post was about? Or are you just trying to deflect criticism with the tired old "nobody's perfect" crap?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Another so-so night for Marner. Can’t the coaches sit him down and show him that many of those unnecessary plays he tries make cost them against the good teams. Maybe they have and he’s not smart enough to figure it out.

Wasn't he supposed to be the smartest player in hockey history or something? I seem to remember a quote from Cooper that some people posted countless times in the various Marner threads. I have to say, most of the time he does play with a high hockey IQ but yeah, he does have more brain farts than you'd expect from a supposed hockey genius.

 

[Nineteen67]

Wasn't he supposed to be the smartest player in hockey history or something? I seem to remember a quote from Cooper that some people posted countless times in the various Marner threads. I have to say, most of the time he does play with a high hockey IQ but yeah, he does have more brain farts than you'd expect from a supposed hockey genius.

It’s the same needless mistakes that will eventually end up in the net. Some of things he does in the neutral zone make me wonder if he knows where he is. Like in the final minute of a period in Edmonton he almost coughed up the puck giving the oilers an odd man break. Why?

 

[Farsailor]

I just wish he seemed a little less eager to improve his personal stats and more so focusing on the team result in those last crucial moments of a game. But good game from Mitch overall.

 

[Antropovsky]

He was at center ice outside the blueline and received a high outlet pass and he decided to scorpion kick it. It bounced back and Calgary had an easy zone entry and mucked it up a bit before a whistle. Basically the regular season reminder of his major malfunction vs Florida in Game 2. Like just button down on all that extra little stuff don’t turn routine moments into adventures.

In the second, he was carrying the puck through the neutral zone into the offensive zone, a defenders stick lightly reached out and and might have touched him, and he collapsed like a cheap tent. The puck went the other way and a quality scoring chance against. No penalty. I hope it was a dive for his sake, but he has a tendency to fall easily, which is just another flaw in his game. He doesn't have a lot of strength on the puck. Nylander by comparison actually holds players off with a free hand while they are hanging on him, until he gets up to full speed.

 

[Nineteen67]

In the second, he was carrying the puck through the neutral zone into the offensive zone, a defenders stick lightly reached out and and might have touched him, and he collapsed like a cheap tent. The puck went the other way and a quality scoring chance against. No penalty. I hope it was a dive for his sake, but he has a tendency to fall easily, which is just another flaw in his game. He doesn't have a lot of strength on the puck. Nylander by comparison actually holds players off with a free hand while they are hanging on him, until he gets up to full speed.

I think he lacks strength and avoids areas which causes a lot of his problems. It’s noticeable when he won’t shoot the puck in prime scoring areas because his shot is not very good.

 

[Confucius]

Another so-so night for Marner. Can’t the coaches sit him down and show him that many of those unnecessary plays he tries make cost them against the good teams. Maybe they have and he’s not smart enough to figure it out.

Keep throwing the bombs, history will only remember the ones that connected.

 

[Nineteen67]

Keep throwing the bombs, history will only remember the ones that connected.

They only remember or even know about the ones that end up in the net, but some see the process and know it‘ll have to change. Because they are so thin it’s even more important this year to secure a playoff spot.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Keep throwing the bombs, history will only remember the ones that connected.

Who do you like tomorrow night. Strickland or DDP?

 

[Gallagbi]

That play to end the game was all on coaching.

Jonny called it before the pp started, "they have a chance to kill the last 2 minutes off the clock here".

Keefe then puts out 34 16 88 44 and 78.

Matthews and Marner play keep away instead of creating, and that invites pressure and eventually the giveaway that allows Calgary to attack.

Generally you trust good players to make good plays, but Marners decision making isn't always there. He's high creativity, not high hockey IQ

 

[ULF_55]

Generally you trust good players to make good plays, but Marners decision making isn't always there. He's high creativity, not high hockey IQ

True.

But seldom do you not get his best efforts.

Some mention his OHL maturity (immaturity), but his creativity is elite and it is just part of the entire package.

The good and the not so good.

All 3 of their top forwards have flaws, and elite level skills in different areas.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Marner is a creative passer all right.

That drop back pass to no one is incredibly creative. He probably doesn't do it nearly as often as it seems. But when it does happen it's so creative it leaves a long lasting impression.

Like putting the puck over the glass in the playoffs.

Everyone knows Marner is a gifted hockey player. Creative passing for Marner isn't a problem. The problems all come from his unwillingness to perform the less glamourous aspects of the game.

The result is that while Marner continues to make spectacular passes look easy on a nightly basis the team struggles with a mediocre 22-21 record.

That doesn't concern ML$E though. They don't care about anything so piddly as wins and losses. The only thing they care about is money.

So long as their $11M winger is making highlight reel passes to sell enough swag to justify his salary they're happy.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Marner is a creative passer all right.

That drop back pass to no one is incredibly creative. He probably doesn't do it nearly as often as it seems. But when it does happen it's so creative it leaves a long lasting impression.

Like putting the puck over the glass in the playoffs.

Everyone knows Marner is a gifted hockey player. Creative passing for Marner isn't a problem. The problems all come from his unwillingness to perform the less glamourous aspects of the game.

The result is that while Marner continues to make spectacular passes look easy on a nightly basis the team struggles with a mediocre 22-21 record.

That doesn't concern ML$E though. They don't care about anything so piddly as wins and losses. The only thing they care about is money.

So long as their $11M winger is making highlight reel passes to sell enough swag to justify his salary they're happy.

You sound bitter.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

You sound bitter.

Good.

ML$E should know their fans are disappointed. I fail to see how anyone could be happy with the results so far. If fans are bitter there's a very good reason for it.

The team has let them down for too long.

 

[TheShape]

Another so-so night for Marner. Can’t the coaches sit him down and show him that many of those unnecessary plays he tries make cost them against the good teams. Maybe they have and he’s not smart enough to figure it out.

Reminds me of a young Jason Spezza and Nazem Kadri, routine plays had to always be extra. It is infuriating, hopefully he figures it out that there's a time and place.

 

[Confucius]

Who do you like tomorrow night. Strickland or DDP?

You made me google it… lol! I don’t follow UFC.