Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Gary Nylund]

Tanev just got his most lucrative contract at age 34, don't be so sure that there aren't dumb enough GMs to give out some large contracts at 36.

So true. I'm actually surprised there's been so little outrage of us giving 6 years to Tanev, seems like a really bad idea to me.

 

[ACC1224]

May as well share it. We'll lose our minds in any scenario from A-Z

That I have no doubt.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

That I have no doubt.

What is that supposed to mean?!

 

[Trapper]

Tanev just got his most lucrative contract at age 34, don't be so sure that there aren't dumb enough GMs to give out some large contracts at 36.

Oh I know there are.
We’ve had the last 2.

 

[notbias]

So true. I'm actually surprised there's been so little outrage of us giving 6 years to Tanev, seems like a really bad idea to me.

I hope they LTIR him... but it's the obvious plan and the league has investigated less, so just worries me a little with how bad the contract could be.

 

[Superstar]

Not even close. Marner starts at 11.5. No way he’s accepting a 100K raise.

I also don’t think he signs for 8 years. That would put him at 36 and much more difficult to squeeze another big salary out of you.


If he signs for 4 at 12-12.5 million, he can still hold you ransom one more time like Matthews will.

And you will love it, praise it and think he gave us a great deal.

Marner wants more money than Nylander, but he would be an idiot to sign a 4 year deal. At age 32, he would be lucky to even get $8 million per on a long term deal...guy would be well over-the-hill, and still with a weak shot.

What this ungrateful guy Marner don't see is, if he signs an 8 year deal at $11.5 million per, he is essentially making $16 million per the first 4 years, then $7 million per for the last 4 years because that's probably what he's worth at age 32...so yeah, would be very idiotic to sign for 4 years even at $12.5 million per.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I hope they LTIR him... but it's the obvious plan and the league has investigated less, so just worries me a little with how bad the contract could be.

Yeah I'm a bit nervous about this also. I mean I know some people are saying that's will happen as if it's not an issue, I'm just not sure it's going to be that easy. What if 3 years from he's fallen off a cliff but can still play and wants to still play, what then?

 

[myleafs]

How many times have I read about this "hate cult" being nothing more than a small group on HF yet allegedly it's now significant enough to deter players from signing here?

Which exactly is it?


Same here. Not exactly sure what he's got his panties in a bunch over this time.

Its humid out, probably chafing.

 

[Sypher04]

So true. I'm actually surprised there's been so little outrage of us giving 6 years to Tanev, seems like a really bad idea to me.

I honestly don’t care about the 6 years at all. You do what you need to do to land the player within reason and there’s a good chance Tanev isn’t able to play anymore by then it’s a non issue. He is going to really help us for the next 3-4 years while we are in our window.

I absolutely hate that he got a full NMC for the whole contract however. But again, you don’t give him the clause, you probably don’t get him. These are the perils of being backed into large upgrades via free agency

Yeah I'm a bit nervous about this also. I mean I know some people are saying that's will happen as if it's not an issue, I'm just not sure it's going to be that easy. What if 3 years from he's fallen off a cliff but can still play and want to still play, what then?

Worst case we buy him out when the time comes. Fwiw, I don’t see Tanev as a guy who’s going to keep playing if it’s clear he can’t play anymore. I also don’t really think he’s in any danger of dropping off soon

 

[All Mod Cons]

He played 6 games in the reg season, had 8 pts and everyone was pumping his tires

After he got shut down and while he was getting shutdown the cult of marner got busy with the injury narratives

Marner didnt play any different in boston 2024 then he did vs flordia 2023, MTL 2021, or CBJ 2020

He's very injury prone.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I honestly don’t care about the 6 years at all. You do what you need to do to land the player within reason and there’s a good chance Tanev isn’t able to play anymore by then it’s a non issue. He is going to really help us for the next 3-4 years while we are in our window.

I absolutely hate that he got a full NMC for the whole contract however. But again, you don’t give him the clause, you probably don’t get him. These are the perils of being backed into large upgrades via free agency

Worst case we buy him out when the time comes. Fwiw, I don’t see Tanev as a guy who’s going to keep playing if it’s clear he can’t play anymore. I don’t think he’s also in any danger of dropping off soon

Well, that's one way of looking at it and I agree that that's probably their mindset. I guess I just don't see our window as even being open now, I mean not really. I'd rather take a step back with an eye to contending two years from now or so but whatever.

It wasn't long ago when many people here were saying that he's made of glass so I wouldn't count on him staying healthy. Although the last couple of years have bucked the trend, he has a history of missing a ton of games, we'll see what happens.

 

[Sypher04]

Well, that's one way of looking at it and I agree that that's probably their mindset. I guess I just don't see our window as even being open now, I mean not really. I'd rather take a step back with an eye to contending two years from now or so but whatever.

It wasn't long ago when many people here were saying that he's made of glass so I wouldn't count on him staying healthy. Although the last couple of years have bucked the trend, he has a history of missing a ton of games, we'll see what happens.

I get it, but from the perspective of management, I don’t think you can entirely look past this upcoming season as you’re suggesting when you have the greatest goalscorer of a generation in his prime and other similarly aged star players. There are no throwaway years imo.

We have Matthews under contract for 4 years. We push now to improve the team

 

[Gary Nylund]

I get it, but from the perspective of management, I don’t think you can entirely look past this upcoming season as you’re suggesting when you have the greatest goalscorer of a generation in his prime and other similarly aged star players. There are no throwaway years imo.

We have Matthews under contract for 4 years. We push now to improve the team

Yes I do understand POV. It's just hard for to go on the record and say I agree with this when I've watched these guys fold in game 7 time and time again. This last year of JT's contract is one big obstacle to success, I have zero faith in Marner's ability to play like he's worth his pay in the playoffs, our goalies this season are a bigger question mark then they've been in the last I don't even know how many years, the chances of winning it all this season are near zero from there I sit. Most likely scenario is that we piss away more futures at the TDL to "fill the holes" and the lose in the 1st round one more time.

 

[666]

How many times have I read about this "hate cult" being nothing more than a small group on HF yet allegedly it's now significant enough to deter players from signing here?

Which exactly is it?

It's not "hate cult", the proper terminology is "cult of hate". It is only an hfboards thing and it has absolutely no influence on anything except itself, which is in the form of a massive circle jerk. Words matter.

 

[Tak7]

It'll be great seeing him healthy.

Any reason to believe he wasn't healthy in April?

His edgework and skating looked very good to me, particularly in the wake of the ankle injury that forced him to miss some time.

 

[BraveCanadian]

We could only wish. Why would ROR want Marner? He knows full well how shit Marner is in the playoffs.

Maybe Conn Smythe winner ROR knows something first hand that the fans here do not?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Any reason to believe he wasn't healthy in April?

His edgework and skating looked very good to me, particularly in the wake of the ankle injury that forced him to miss some time.

I remember one time he was headed towards the corner going for the puck, then he noticed a Boston player headed in the same direction and he pivoted on a dime to strategically avoid the Boston player, and the corner, and the puck. I remember thinking that his edgework looked as good as it ever has in that moment and it also seemed to be evidence of him being the smartest player in hockey history as some have said that he is here - don't go where the puck is, go where it's going to be later ala the great Gretzky. I mean that time the puck didn't come to him but whatever, I'm sure it all works out in the long run.

 

[Confucius]

I want to keep Marner, I'd still only offer 8 x 11. Nobody is going to give him north of 7 × 13, which even then is doubtful he'd take it. Having to move awY from family, friends, his new inlaws, his favourite team.

sure he won't jump on it until the 12th hour but he'd take it.

Just because William got 11.5, it won't cause him to leave the team.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I want to keep Marner, I'd still only offer 8 x 11. Nobody is going to give him north of 7 × 13, which even then is doubtful he'd take it. Having to move awY from family, friends, his new inlaws, his favourite team.

sure he won't jump on it until the 12th hour but he'd take it.

Just because William got 11.5, it won't cause him to leave the team.

Nobody can say with 100% certainty what Marner would or wouldn't accept. With that in mind, I'll say that the chances of Marner settling for less than what Nylander got are less than 1%.

 

[ACC1224]

Any reason to believe he wasn't healthy in April?

His edgework and skating looked very good to me, particularly in the wake of the ankle injury that forced him to miss some time.

There are some things I was let in on recently.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

One thing everyone can agree on is that it will be great seeing him back playing at 100%.

I mean we saw that through the playoffs…didn’t really end too great or start great for that matter

 

[GoonieFace]

Any reason to believe he wasn't healthy in April?

His edgework and skating looked very good to me, particularly in the wake of the ankle injury that forced him to miss some time.

I wonder if he was injured the other 7 playoff years as well…

 

[Sypher04]

Nobody can say with 100% certainty what Marner would or wouldn't accept. With that in mind, I'll say that the chances of Marner settling for less than what Nylander got are less than 1%.

Yeah I think the Leafs, if they are serious about extending Mitch, need to be like 11.5Mx8. You get the same deal Willy got. We can’t go any higher

 

[Sypher04]

Interesting to see that Marner’s 0.88 pts/g playoff production is actually 22nd among all active NHL players. Matthews’ 0.87 is 23rd.

Only 12 active players are point per game or better.

 

[BallardEra]

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