Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[SoupNazi]

Um, I'm asking this question honestly, as I've never seen you before, so please don't smite me.

Are you God?

I am, in fact.

 

[mikeyz]

Why the focus on Marner and not the other clowns?

Any other questions?

 

[JKG33]

Why the focus on Marner and not the other clowns?

I'd love to boot them all, but one problem at a time

 

[Antropovsky]

Any other questions?

Factor in gwg causing mistakes/giveaways:

Games 5,6,7:
13% cap
Marner 16gp 0g 5a 5points
6 individual giveaway causing gwg against. 7 if you include game 2 vs Florida.

Yup... pretty much downed the team all by himself those series.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Why the focus on Marner and not the other clowns?

Have you seen this fan base?

 

[Antropovsky]

Have you seen this fan base?

Have you seen Marner do this? Nobody is gonna win a cup, when 13% of their cap is doing this... add the 5 assists in 16 game 5,6,7s and his 7 giveaways that led to gwgs against... and it's more shocking that people are unaware why the fan base and media has Marner on the chopping block.

 

[Trapper]

Have you seen this fan base?

Yes, every year.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Have you seen this fan base?

True.

 

[Stephen]

Have you seen Marner do this? Nobody is gonna win a cup, when 13% of their cap is doing this... add the 5 assists in 16 game 5,6,7s and his 7 giveaways that led to gwgs against... and it's more shocking that people are unaware why the fan base and media has Marner on the chopping block.

I have a hard time visualizing Mitch Marner playing in a game like Game 5 Florida vs Edmonton, making the right, hard plays and being on the winning side.

 

[Racer88]

I have a hard time visualizing Mitch Marner playing in a game like Game 5 Florida vs Edmonton, making the right, hard plays and being on the winning side.

That game alone shows how far we are from being a contender and how a true star should rise up

 

[Trapper]

That game alone shows how far we are from being a contender and how a true star should rise up

Skill is the beginning. You need the other things that go with it. McDavid is intensity with it. When you’ve always been the best at every level, how do you top yourself. There it is.

 

[Stephen]

That game alone shows how far we are from being a contender and how a true star should rise up

Marner belongs in the Huberdeau, Gaudreau camp. There's tremendous regular season value in that type of player, but if the Leafs have championship pretentions they can't reasonably expect a guy like Marner to lead them through a playoff shit storm like what it is every year. That's just unrealistic.

 

[joepeps]

Mitch Marner has 4 goals in his last 34 playoff games.​

Marners Playoff Career by game since the start of round 1 vs Boston in 2018
• ⁠Game 1s: 4 G and 5 A in 8 games
• ⁠Game 2s: 4 G and 7 A in 8 games
• ⁠Game 3s: 0 G and 8 A in 8 games
• ⁠Game 4s: 0 G and 9 A in 7 games
• ⁠Game 5s: 0 G and 4 A in 7 games
• ⁠Game 6s: 1 G and 1 A in 6 games
• ⁠Game 7s: 0 G and 2 A in 4 games

Games 1-4: 37 pts in 31 gp (98 point pace over 82 games)

Games 5-7: 8 pts in 17 gp (39 point pace over 82 games)

 

[BertCorbeau]

Marner belongs in the Huberdeau, Gaudreau camp. There's tremendous regular season value in that type of player, but if the Leafs have championship pretentions they can't reasonably expect a guy like Marner to lead them through a playoff shit storm like what it is every year. That's just unrealistic.

Probably the best sum of the topic.

 

[LeafEgo]

Exactly, no team operates like that. You can’t! There are times where team moves may align with what fans want. But the team
Isn’t making those moves because of the fans. They have their own internal reasons to make those moves.

It may not be a leading contributor in most cases but fans are the customers so their general response to a move is going to be a consideration on the business end of things.

 

[Stephen]

Exactly, no team operates like that. You can’t! There are times where team moves may align with what fans want. But the team
Isn’t making those moves because of the fans. They have their own internal reasons to make those moves.

Shanahan’s biggest weakness is he lost the critical eye for his own build and invested too much time, too many assets and too many kicks at the can for a group that doesn’t deserve more opportunities and a waste of time for this fanbase to invest hope in. The Leafs are an entertainment product that is becoming increasingly stale too.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Shanahan’s biggest weakness is he lost the critical eye for his own build and invested too much time, too many assets and too many kicks at the can for a group that doesn’t deserve more opportunities and a waste of time for this fanbase to invest hope in. The Leafs are an entertainment product that is becoming increasingly stale too.

I think the Kadri trade did some emotional damage on Shanahan and he's too afraid to make a big move to change the core.

 

[Trapper]

Shanahan’s biggest weakness is he lost the critical eye for his own build and invested too much time, too many assets and too many kicks at the can for a group that doesn’t deserve more opportunities and a waste of time for this fanbase to invest hope in. The Leafs are an entertainment product that is becoming increasingly stale too.

Shanahan should have stayed out of the hockey side of it, hired experience and stuck to promotion, marketing and PR.

 

[Stephen]

I think the Kadri trade did some emotional damage on Shanahan and he's too afraid to make a big move to change the core.

If Shanahan is scared to manage and make big decisions, he shouldn’t be in the game.

Uh just give us an expansion team free from history.

 

[mikeyz]

Have you seen this fan base?

That is still defending Marner? Yes. I'm amazed. Especially after seeing this.

 

[thewave]

Have you seen Marner do this? Nobody is gonna win a cup, when 13% of their cap is doing this... add the 5 assists in 16 game 5,6,7s and his 7 giveaways that led to gwgs against... and it's more shocking that people are unaware why the fan base and media has Marner on the chopping block.

And he got credit for a check. Lol

 

[LeafEgo]

If Shanahan is scared to manage and make big decisions, he shouldn’t be in the game.

Uh just give us an expansion team free from history.

Just speculating, I'm not sure Shanny really is in the game anymore, just sort of there for now.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Just speculating, I'm not sure Shanny really is in the game anymore, just sort of there for now.

But then that means Pelley is scared to make the decision.

 

[myleafs]

Ya know, if Marner forces his way onto the team this year, I could really see him struggling without Keefe there to give him his juice box and apple slices at intermission. Berube doesn't seem like the type to have patience for the kid gloves bullshit.

Which in a contract year where hes trying to screw over the organization again, would be f***ing hilarious

Laughed out loud at that one....

 

[francis246]

It may not be a leading contributor in most cases but fans are the customers so their general response to a move is going to be a consideration on the business end of things.

For sure, but it’s not going to be the driving force. It’s something they consider, they think about. But they aren’t it in a board room saying we gotta move Marner cause this city hates him.

It’s probably let’s move Marner to free up cap space, we can use the money elsewhere and get players we like to play a certain way.