Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Anthrax442]

What the hell are you talking about man? Put the drinks down.

Cant put the drinks down - you see how they are playing?

 

[stickty111]

We have more moments of Marner crying in the playoffs than series wins

 

[ORRFForever]

That a boy.

 

[stickty111]

And of course he scores

 

[Tony Romo]

People are crying about Marner throwing gloves. He isn’t the first and won’t be the last to. This market is insufferable. Every thing is over analyzed, everything is made a big deal. It’s a small but overlooked part to why the players suck ass and can’t overcome the pressure. Most of it is on the players, you’re paid a shit ton of money and you need to produce. But the fans and the media are obsessed with negativity and love piling on.

Every polarizing player who leaves the leafs has been able to find success and eventually win a cup. There’s something about this market that affects players. It’s becoming more and more clear.

I wonder why this market is so bad but Dallas isn’t bad for the Cowboys, LA for the Lakers, New York for the Yankee/Knicks, Boston for any of their teams. But somehow this market is just so bad it makes the players so bad

 

[TMLife17]

Do it again!

 

[francis246]

I wonder why this market is so bad but Dallas isn’t bad for the Cowboys, LA for the Lakers, New York for the Yankee/Knicks, Boston for any of their teams. But somehow this market is just so bad it makes the players so bad

Dallas hasn’t won shit in years either. Jerry Jones is an idiot who plays into the negativity. What owner has a radio show and shits on his own team that he builds weekly?

Same with the New York Knicks, they haven’t won shit either. All these markets where the pressure is so high, they don’t win.

Yankees, Bruins and Eagles are really the exception.

LA isn’t even a hard market to play in. Really Dallas, Boston, Philly, New York, Toronto are the toughest markets out there

 

[stickty111]

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Brutally bad again. Terrible defensively and on the penalty kill now too. That's new level of suck.

 

[stickty111]

 

[keonsbitterness]

That's what this forum is for.

 

[colchar]

I wonder why this market is so bad but Dallas isn’t bad for the Cowboys, LA for the Lakers, New York for the Yankee/Knicks, Boston for any of their teams. But somehow this market is just so bad it makes the players so bad

Exactly. Only idiots claim Toronto is somehow oh so tough on the players. Get over it.

People are crying about Marner throwing gloves. He isn’t the first and won’t be the last to. This market is insufferable. Every thing is over analyzed, everything is made a big deal. It’s a small but overlooked part to why the players suck ass and can’t overcome the pressure. Most of it is on the players, you’re paid a shit ton of money and you need to produce. But the fans and the media are obsessed with negativity and love piling on.

And yet it was guys who had actually played in the league who called him out for crying to the refs and throwing his gloves. Did you ever stop to consider that having played in the league, they might know something about how real pros act?

Every polarizing player who leaves the leafs has been able to find success and eventually win a cup. There’s something about this market that affects players. It’s becoming more and more clear.

No, it really isn't. There is something about this franchise that prevents them having success here, but it isn't the market. There are much, much tougher markets out there in various sports and players thrive in those markets. Toronto ain't special and those who think it is need to get over themselves.

 

[Antropovsky]

https://x.com/BR_OpenIce/status/1784403936452964722

...(on Marner) "this is just pathetic, he hasn't won a battle all series long."

 

[SoVi3t]

https://x.com/BR_OpenIce/status/1784403936452964722

...(on Marner) this is just pathetic, he hasn't won a battle all season long.

I kept saying most of the night, he should have been benched early in this game. I'd bench him until he's traded. He's an absolute blight on the ice for us, I've wanted him gone for almost a decade now.

 

[Menzinger]

Marners take on the 'clip' tonight

 

[Racer88]

And just like everyone else he’ll go and win a cup and be effective else where lol. At some point us fans will realize this market is just not easy to win in. The proof is in the pudding. Why can players go else where and elevate?
Sucks Marner couldnt figure it out here but it’s best to get him out of this market

He will go to a team that is properly constructed with the cap properly spent. Nothing will ever fix the absolutely asinine build of giving 50% of the cap to 4 soft forwards. It’s one of the most flawed build ever.
Individualy each of the core 4 brings some sort of value to a team but collectively they are over paid and unworkable

And just like everyone else he’ll go and win a cup and be effective else where lol. At some point us fans will realize this market is just not easy to win in. The proof is in the pudding. Why can players go else where and elevate?
Sucks Marner couldnt figure it out here but it’s best to get him out of this market

Sorry it double posted

 

[francis246]

He will go to a team that is properly constructed with the cap properly spent. Nothing will ever fix the absolutely asinine build of giving 50% of the cap to 4 soft forwards. It’s one of the most flawed build ever.
Individualy each of the core 4 brings some sort of value to a team but collectively they are over paid and unworkable


He will go to a team that is properly constructed with the cap properly spent. Nothing will ever fix the absolutely asinine build of giving 50% of the cap to 4 soft forwards. It’s one of the most flawed build ever.
Individualy

This isn’t even cap related. It’s player type related. You have 5 passive guys. This model probably works if you have a guy like Point or MacKinnon or Pasternak but we don’t have a killer

 

[Racer88]

This isn’t even cap related. It’s player type related. You have 5 passive guys. This model probably works if you have a guy like Point or MacKinnon or Pasternak but we don’t have a killer

Agree to an extent on the passive guys

 

[Burkeocet]

We have more moments of Marner crying in the playoffs than series wins

I’d cry too. All he had to do was show up and him and his daddy Paul could get 13m but now that he’s been so dog shit yet again in a contract year, he might lose 2-3 million per season. Poor Mitch.

I kept saying most of the night, he should have been benched early in this game. I'd bench him until he's traded. He's an absolute blight on the ice for us, I've wanted him gone for almost a decade now.

Keefe is about to be unemployed anyways. I’d stick Reeves or Robertson in Marner’s place. They couldn’t be worse and he has nothing to lose. The point that would make, stapling that crybaby quitter to the bottom 6 would be priceless. But Shanahan is gonna demand they pay Paul Marner and his son 13m per year

 

[Eternal Leaf]

The one good thing Willy did tonight. Probably saw enough of his nonsense on TV during games 1-3 and then in person during game 4.

 

[JamieG19]

Gotta give credit where it’s due. Marner competed hard in the 3rd and scored a very pretty goal. He did step up once Auston went home.

 

[Martin Skoula]

At the end of the day you can show all the clips of Marner floating, bailing on puck battles, throwing the puck over the glass, crying, letting Tkachuk bully him and looking hurt about it, but it boils down to one simple idea: when things get hard he doesn’t get mad he gets sad. He never reacts to this pressure by throwing dirty hits like Kucherov or Malkin, he just wilts away and sulks then blames everyone that isn’t him to the media. He hasn’t used any of these losses as motivation to come back faster, bigger, stronger the next year, he’s been the exact same player since 2018.

I don’t even mind watching the team lose that much, the bigger problem is the consistent history of guys like Marchand, Tkachuk, Ovi, etc treating Marner like he’s a complete joke, only stopping when they feel bad for bullying what’s essentially a mental child in a 26 year old body.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Get this pos the f*** off this team the minute the season ends (aka Tuesday).

 

[Gabriel426]

It does make me sad how all of this has played out. Marner had it on a silver platter to be one of the most popular Leafs of all time. Hometown kid, good energy plays on both sides of the puck. Then he decided money was more important then winning and the relationship with the fans in this market has and will never be the same again.

If he shows up in the playoffs like Rantanen, Drai, Barkov and even Point. His contract would be a bargain.
Problem is he has not done it.
The thing is when you compare MM to those guys, some here thinks it is disrespectful bc MM is clearly a better player.

 

[Gabriel426]

This isn’t even cap related. It’s player type related. You have 5 passive guys. This model probably works if you have a guy like Point or MacKinnon or Pasternak but we don’t have a killer

None of them is an alpha.
If only one of AM, MM, Willie, JT is a true alpha, we might see the best of them in the playoffs.
Now it doesn’t mean trading JT for Stone means Cup bc there are still holes on the team but having an alpha like Stone or Kopitar should allow AM, MM and Willie to have less responsibility.
Still remember watching the All or Nothing series and what Foligno said in the playins and he was there for like 2 months.
Leafs lacks leadership on the team that can score.