Player Discussion Mitch Marner

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WillNy29

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I like all those posters except 666. They're very knowledgeable on hockey and contribute mostly good things to the board. 666 contributes nothing except making things very personal and toxic.

Everybody gets it wrong with players once in awhile, I won't hold it against them.


Same here. Games 5 and 6 were the first time I've really seen this team buy into a full selfless team game. Everybody taking punishment to make the play, paying the price and committing to the 200 ft game. Except Marner ofc, his lack of physicality stuck out especially bad these playoffs because of unwilling he was to make contact with anyone.
When Nylander is putting his body on the line coming back from vision blurring migraines and Matthews is fighting for pucks and battling with some kind of mono and injury combo and then you see Marner refuse to go to the net it really drives home for you who actually wants to win on this team

It’s ok Willy you’re signed up for another 8, go back to floating as much as you want.
can't refute the point so attacks the poster. glad we know there's people who don't actually understand hockey and cant refute the actual play in question.
 
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647Hockey

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When Nylander is putting his body on the line coming back from vision blurring migraines and Matthews is fighting for pucks and battling with some kind of mono and injury combo and then you see Marner refuse to go to the net it really drives home for you who actually wants to win on this team
It's just the kind of player Marner is. He's a set up man, and most set up passers arent crash the net players. Not just due to mental game, but the point of a passer is to be in open ice so he can zing a pass to someone. So he'll never be a net crasher no matter what. It's one of those things hockey fans have to accept. No different than many other skilled players where you check their playoff stats and they drop like a rock compared to regular season. Some players are built for the reg season, some for the playoffs, and some both.
 
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WillNy29

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Marner plays very similar to Mat Barzal. Difference is Marner gets more pts because he plays on a high powered team, while Barzal's best linemates over the years are Horvat, Lee or whichever random third guy is put on.

Both players are fast puckhandlers, pass first players, and avoid front of the net. They are perimeter players who will often struggle in the playoffs as their perimeter play and fancy drop passes looking for highlight reel pass and plays goals dries up in the playoffs.

They both have good shots. But when open, instead of zipping a wrist shot on net, they look to pass.
Barzal can shoot the puck if needed and has speed to burn. Insulated on this leaf team he could damage in the playoffs
 

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This made me laugh...



They assume Toronto will be getting fair value for Marner. I don't see that.

If I'm a team, I'd give Toronto nothing and just wait. What is the downside? You don't get a greedy overpaid player who can NOT help you in the playoffs. God knows, there are plenty of players like THAT.
 

Aashir Mallik

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I've vented enough about playoff Marner over the years so no longer feel the need but the newfound love for Willy is getting weird. The guy was invisible nearly every shift but is now a playoff warrior because he shot into an open net after a Bruin tripped in the corner and flipped another one in from the blueline.
I don’t give an absolute f*** if he was invisible. Nylander could’ve had 1 scoring chance the entire game, and if it went in that would be fine. I don’t give a f*** about dominating or whatever, finish the chances you get, and just produce.

MarneI would somehow put both of those over the glass for penalties

He has 11 points in 14 elimination games. As third fiddle that ain’t bad, Matthews and Marner should be around 13-17 and we’d have 2-3 more series’s under our belt.

He may not be the greatest, but he’s the guy who I and many others expect to score a big goal more than any player on this team
 

Antropovsky

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I've vented enough about playoff Marner over the years so no longer feel the need but the newfound love for Willy is getting weird. The guy was invisible nearly every shift but is now a playoff warrior because he shot into an open net after a Bruin tripped in the corner and flipped another one in from the blueline.
I thought someone was floating around a stat that Nylander is among leaf legends for most goals in elimination games? Am I wrong?
 

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This made me laugh...



They assume Toronto will be getting fair value for Marner. I don't see that.

If I'm a team, I'd give Toronto nothing and just wait. What is the downside? You don't get a greedy overpaid player who can NOT help you in the playoffs. God knows, there are plenty of players like THAT.



You never get full value on a trade of a player of that level. But cap flexibility is also very valuable. SOmething we haven't had in a long time
 

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On another board I suggested, and got very loudly shot down, that Toronto trade Marner for Dahlin. With Owen Power emerging Buffalo could afford to trade Dahlin. Buffalo needs som razzle dazzle and I hate that Dahlin is toiling away his prime in obscurity. Toronto would probably have to do some cap dumps but Buffalo have the cap space to give Marner (almost) what he'll want.
 

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You never get full value on a trade of a player of that level. But cap flexibility is also very valuable. SOmething we haven't had in a long time
Lots of options. You may not get the sexy 1 for 1 people want, but you can get a good solid package (with some youth prospects) and the dollars to look at the following in UFA:

1. Montour
2. Hannifin
3. Reinhart
4. Marchessault
5. Pesce
6. Guentzel
7. Lindholm
 

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Lots of options. You may not get the sexy 1 for 1 people want, but you can get a good solid package (with some youth prospects) and the dollars to look at the following in UFA:

1. Montour
2. Hannifin
3. Reinhart
4. Marchessault
5. Pesce
6. Guentzel
7. Lindholm
There are some options, but Hannifin signed with VGK.
 

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For those that still think NMCs are an issue, listen to Seravelli's opinion on Fan590 insider this morning at 8 am. I was thinking he could do a Tavares but the difference is that the Islanders wanted to sign the player. In the Leafs case, we are assuming they have no interest in resigning the player.
 
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centipede2233

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On another board I suggested, and got very loudly shot down, that Toronto trade Marner for Dahlin. With Owen Power emerging Buffalo could afford to trade Dahlin. Buffalo needs som razzle dazzle and I hate that Dahlin is toiling away his prime in obscurity. Toronto would probably have to do some cap dumps but Buffalo have the cap space to give Marner (almost) what he'll want.
Toronto desperately needs a top RD, Dahlin is an LD
 

ToneDog

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On another board I suggested, and got very loudly shot down, that Toronto trade Marner for Dahlin. With Owen Power emerging Buffalo could afford to trade Dahlin. Buffalo needs som razzle dazzle and I hate that Dahlin is toiling away his prime in obscurity. Toronto would probably have to do some cap dumps but Buffalo have the cap space to give Marner (almost) what he'll want.
I would add the CN Tower to get Dahlin for Marner.
 

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If you all watched the game you would realize the last 3 games in this series was a clear focus on DEFENCE. Both Boston and Toronto had a clear game plan, no D pinches, always 2-3 guys above the puck, there was no real intent to drive any risky offence, so it was a waiting game, who was going to be lucky. As you can see on the OT goal, all 5 leaf players are on the defensive side of the red line...this was for 3 games....no one was going to be consistently driving offense and scoring chances. And then we all sit here and complain there was no offense. Years past it was we can't play defence we need to shut things down, we need to play a gritty playoff game, well Boston is no slouch. It takes discipline and LUCK, we got lucky in G5/6, and unlucky in G7, when you go down 3-1 that's where the odds are against you. We lost the series in G1-4, not game 7. Had they played all 7 games like they did in G5-7 probably a different outcome.

On game tying goal, Kampf barely made an attempt on the Lindholm shot, that's where a 4th liner needs to put it on the line, body sacrificed so that puck doesn;t get to the net, 3rd period G7, no reason not to sacrifice everything....and on OT goal, starts with the non pressure in NZ, Tavares/Bushkin got signals crossed, both went to Boston player on blue line, left Lindhom with time to get the middle of the ice and accurately pick his dump in/pass....Marner had just got on the ice and was the last man back, Nylander and Reilly both hesitant on the dump in, they were just not focused and prepared for that play....Pastarnak makes what only a few players can make, and sure Samsonov could have played it different, but he had a split second to make that decision. The series was lost before G7 OT.
 

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You never get full value on a trade of a player of that level. But cap flexibility is also very valuable. SOmething we haven't had in a long time
Keller, Crouse and a 3rd (yes)
Necas + 1st + Orlov (yes)
Bratt + 1st + Bastian (yes)
Petro + 2nd (no)
Saros + cap space (probably not)
Boldy + Brodin (love Boldy - yes)
Sorokin (yes but I try to get a pick from Lou)
Chych + Pinto + 2nd (yes)
Garland + Hronek + 1st (no)
MacTavish (maybe)
Gibson + Zegras (no)
Johnson + 2nd + 3rd (yes)
Guhle + Matheson + 1st + 2nd (yes)
Panarin + Kakko + 5th for Marner + Robertson (no)
 

Divine

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I think some of the Marner-slander is getting ridiculous.

We have a 100 point winger that people want to run out of town for nothing and then if we're a worse team because we lost a 100 point winger people will complain.
 

DarkKnight

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I think some of the Marner-slander is getting ridiculous.
Two things can be true, Marner has failed AND failures live here. Some good posters here on Marner, also the absolute worst that I wouldn't spend two seconds listening too in the real world.
 
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