Yikes. It doesn't matter how many goals you score if you're letting in more goals against.Do you think Leafs have won more games on Willy's +20 more actual goals or Marner's +12 more points?
[If you answered, of course the Leafs have won more games this year as a result of Willy's goals you would be correct. ]
As long as Marner's teammates keep scoring vital goals that help Leafs win games, Marner can keep padding his assist and thus point totals.
Willy has 3 straight 40 or more goal season, Matthews won the Rocket 2 X as league's top goal scorer and Marner lives off their goal scoring success padding his personal stats.
No Goal = No Assist
Relative Scoring Values Adjusted
Since there is only 1 goal on every scoring play, but potentially 2 assists awarded perhaps a goal should be worth 1 point and an assist = .5 point each.
Marner's 24 goal 70 assists 94 point season adjusted point total = 24+35= 59 points when Goals 2 X > Assists in value.
Nylander's 44 goal and 38 assists 82 point season adjusted point total = 44+ 19 = 63 points,
[Previous season Willy had 40 goals 58 assists 98 points = 40+29 = 69 points]
Do you think Leafs have won more games on Willy's +20 more actual goals or Marner's +12 more points?
[If you answered, of course the Leafs have won more games this year as a result of Willy's goals you would be correct. ]
PS. That holds true for the entire Core 4 in fact as GOALS win games and Goals >> Personal Player Points. The object of each game is to WIN and not pile up pretty Player Points, which often gets lost in the big picture as to why you play the games in the first place..
PPS. Last year Kucherov lead the NHL with 44 goals 100 assists 144 points adjusted = 44+50 = 94 point season. That is what feels like a TRUE 90+ point season in value and impact on the results of an NHL game.
As is every team behind them but we're talking about players and particularly Nylander.
I think you missed my point. You can't have double standards like "Rantanen is a byproduct of MacKinnon" and then go on to say Marner is solely responsible for his success, considering he has played with two first line centres his whole career as well. Maybe they have both benefited by playing with exceptional centres? Maybe those centres have benefited from playing with great wingers as well?
defence? like the massive 3 goal difference in +/- at even strength between mitchy and willie?
If you want to use +/- then how about this.
what part of stagnating and improving did you not understand?
It's a flaky stat, as a team they seem better committed to defense. Overall, Nylander is probably benefitting from the Tavares resurgence while Marner is probably being hurt a bit by Matthews down year.
Nylander is just as bad this year defensively as he has always been. Just watch him.
I actually agree that there should be some sort of weighted scale for goals, primary assists and secondary assists but not at a 2 to 1 scale.As long as Marner's teammates keep scoring vital goals that help Leafs win games, Marner can keep padding his assist and thus point totals.
Willy has 3 straight 40 or more goal season, Matthews won the Rocket 2 X as league's top goal scorer and Marner lives off their goal scoring success padding his personal stats.
No Goal = No Assist
Relative Scoring Values Adjusted
Since there is only 1 goal on every scoring play, but potentially 2 assists awarded perhaps a goal should be worth 1 point and an assist = .5 point each.
Marner's 24 goal 70 assists 94 point season adjusted point total = 24+35= 59 points when Goals 2 X > Assists in value.
Nylander's 44 goal and 38 assists 82 point season adjusted point total = 44+ 19 = 63 points,
[Previous season Willy had 40 goals 58 assists 98 points = 40+29 = 69 points]
Do you think Leafs have won more games on Willy's +20 more actual goals or Marner's +12 more points?
[If you answered, of course the Leafs have won more games this year as a result of Willy's goals you would be correct. ]
PS. That holds true for the entire Core 4 in fact as GOALS win games and Goals >> Personal Player Points. The object of each game is to WIN and not pile up pretty Player Points, which often gets lost in the big picture as to why you play the games in the first place..
PPS. Last year Kucherov lead the NHL with 44 goals 100 assists 144 points adjusted = 44+50 = 94 point season. That is what feels like a TRUE 90+ point season in value and impact on the results of an NHL game.
You really think when JT and Marner are on a line together that Marner is the passenger and JT is the play driver?
Yeah - would you believe the "hater cult" seems to think that Willy and JT (+19) are anywhere close to the defensively vastly superior Matty and Mitch (+17)?
Nylander and his linemates are currently three of the top four forwards in +/-.
If you have to go all the way back to try to hide the fact that the current difference is very small, then you either aren't watching properly or are just being disingenuous.
I think you are either being obtuse, or purposely missing my point.
That's super unusual tho. It's almost never the case, they've been playing so well lately, I expect they don't finish the season this way though.
Was that last season, when he played almost 90 minutes on the PK?
"Explained" is a massive stretch.
Oh I gotcha. I misread.
Fair enough, I bet many of us share the same interest in seeing how Rants does away from MacK. Would be interesting to see how Marner would do with a lesser centre, although I hope he signs here for a reasonable rate (12.5-13) as he is a terrific winger.
