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Mitch Marner, Yet Again

ToneDog said:
I hardly call that nasty stuff from Marner. At least he got in there. Progress I guess.
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Yeah and we don’t need him to go in and be nasty, but make it known you’re not going to take shit, get in the mix. Don’t get hurt, but let them know you got a set of balls to stick up for yourself. Honestly last night made me a believer in this core and this team. They were very physical and played a complete game. If they can bring this effort with Stolarz in net, they are going to be a difficult team to beat.

Also we need Robertson in the line up for secondary scoring. Robertson/Patches in, Holmberg and Laughton out IMO.
 
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ULF_55 said:
Yeah, and getting your 3rd./4th. to take a run at their 3rd./4th. liner isn't a deterent.

If Leafs stars are the target, the opposition stars should be the target.

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I think marner has been better since the in-season tournament.
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You can see him engaging more and trying to finish his checks but it is just not part of his game.
 
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sunstersun said:
Yes he's a superstar winger of course.

Still a clear tier below the superstars in Kuch, Pasta and prime Kane.
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Yes, Pastrnak has 40+ points more than the next Bruin. Also, apparently it he single handedly beat the Hurricanes yesterday.

When is the last time Marner someone would say he put on a show of dominance?

Marner needs an elite scorer on his line or else his points would plummet. Flip Marner with Pastrnak and Marners points likely drop to somewhere in the 70s.

Marner has played 90% of mins with Tavares, Knies or Matthews and Knies.

Nylander 70% of mins with Tavares or Matthews, only around 200 mins with Knies. While Marner played over 600 mins with Knies.

Nylander goals/60 + primary assists per 60 = 1.88

Marner goals/60 + primary assists per 60 = 1.75

Matthews has 7 assist first assists for Knies
Marner has 5 first assists for Knies

Marner also is 16th in league in total 5v5 points and 18th in poimts/60...which considering 90% of his minutes are with Matthews, Tavares or Matthews...isn't that spectacular.

How many points would Pastrnak produce with Knies and Matthews?

As Tulskys research indicated, linemates has the biggest effect on a players production. Once again...nobody as blessed as Marner.
 
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ToneDog said:
I hardly call that nasty stuff from Marner. At least he got in there. Progress I guess.
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I agree... looked like a kid brother trying to split a fight up, nothing nasty about it all. Side eye, no eye contact lol. He truly looked like a teenager vs men, his lack of strength very apparent. Pushed with all his might and nearly fell over. 6' and absolutely no muscle.

I don't even think he needs to do this...he doesn't have the strength/toughness to do it. Just go into corners and battle, go to the front of the net and battle. Show some heart and determination. Small players can battle. Look at Gallagher, Marchand, Bunting etc.
 
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Antropovsky said:
I agree... looked like a kid brother trying to split a fight up, nothing nasty about it all. Side eye, no eye contact lol. He truly looked like a teenager vs men, his lack of strength very apparent. Pushed with all his might and nearly fell over. 6' and absolutely no muscle.

I don't even think he needs to do this...he doesn't have the strength/toughness to do it. Just go into corners and battle, go to the front of the net and battle. Show some heart and determination. Small players can battle. Look at Gallagher, Marchand, Bunting etc.
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He is weak because he does not train for strength. He is a video gamer first and hockey player second.

Foolish to keep him
 
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Antropovsky said:
Yes, Pastrnak has 40+ points more than the next Bruin. Also, apparently it he single handedly beat the Hurricanes yesterday.

When is the last time Marner someone would say he put on a show of dominance?

Marner needs an elite scorer on his line or else his points would plummet. Flip Marner with Pastrnak and Marners points likely drop to somewhere in the 70s.

Marner has played 90% of mins with Tavares, Knies or Matthews and Knies.

Nylander 70% of mins with Tavares or Matthews, only around 200 mins with Knies. While Marner played over 600 mins with Knies.

Nylander goals/60 + primary assists per 60 = 1.88

Marner goals/60 + primary assists per 60 = 1.75

Matthews has 7 assist first assists for Knies
Marner has 5 first assists for Knies

Marner also is 16th in league in total 5v5 points and 18th in poimts/60...which considering 90% of his minutes are with Matthews, Tavares or Matthews...isn't that spectacular.

How many points would Pastrnak produce with Knies and Matthews?

As Tulskys research indicated, linemates has the biggest effect on a players production. Once again...nobody as blessed as Marner.
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Read back to the Nylander negotiations when Pastrnak was a common comparable with the amount of BS saying Pastrnak was benefiting from Bergeron/Marchand offensively and not vice versa. Way too many familiar faces who bought into that.
 
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thewave said:
He is weak because he does not train for strength. He is a video gamer first and hockey player second.

Foolish to keep him
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Yea those interviews where they ask maple leafs players questions when they entered the practice rink, so they recently asked, what do you know too much about other than nhl, marner said video gaming.
 
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Antropovsky said:
I agree... looked like a kid brother trying to split a fight up, nothing nasty about it all. Side eye, no eye contact lol. He truly looked like a teenager vs men, his lack of strength very apparent. Pushed with all his might and nearly fell over. 6' and absolutely no muscle.

I don't even think he needs to do this...he doesn't have the strength/toughness to do it. Just go into corners and battle, go to the front of the net and battle. Show some heart and determination. Small players can battle. Look at Gallagher, Marchand, Bunting etc.
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Sure, if you just make things up.
 
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I don't even pay attention to the noise, the media are absolute f***ing scumbags and they only push something if they can sensationalize it to death. No, teams and players aren't bending over backwards to give the Leafs the worst case scenario to freak out about, they are operating rationally like any other team does.
 
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Cool story.
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It's evident when Marner fans know it's the truth when they have no rebuttals but this.

Like when I showed the 6 highlights of Marner pulling the chute and hrudey and biz intermission segments on Marners pathetic efforts...

I asked Marner fans to comment and they all dispersed and went silent. Silence speaks louder than words.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
You're confusing potential for impact and impact. Center offers the best potential for impact because it allows you to more easily distribute to both of your linemates and puts you in the more dangerous areas of the ice more often. But impact is impact, and impact from a center is not any more valuable than equivalent impact from a winger. Especially these days when positions are so fluid. Marner takes on winger, center, and even defenseman responsibilities in different zones and situations. This phenomenon is also self fulfilling, as the best kids tend to want to be center because the greats they grew up with were centers.

Without even getting into the issues with relying on asking AI for something like this - especially with how bad positional data is - that wouldn't prove anything. You keep trying to argue that centers, on average, get slightly bigger contracts, but whether or not that's true, that is an entirely different argument than whether centers are getting paid more relative to their impact level because they are centers. Centers are, on average, slightly better players, and get compensated for that, but there is no evidence that centers get compensated any differently relative to their impact level, and no reason to think that a winger that impacts the game as much as those centers wouldn't be paid appropriately. They historically have.
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Best players play centre, get paid more, because it is a higher impact position, I'm glad we can agree.

I'm guessing you've never used ChatGPT Pro Deep Research before, or I doubt you would be criticizing it like it's some free access tool AI. I'm betting most peoples PCs can't even run it efficiently. Either way, I factored in dual positions to default to winger assignment, which would skew the numbers more in favour of wingers vs. centres.

Centres are paid more than wingers on average, period. You've admitted the best players typically shift to centre, because it is a higher impact position that requires more skill on average to play.

I'll agree to disagree on this. You haven't provided one shred of data to support your argument. Centres are paid more because they do impact the game more, they have to be more responsible defensively, have to take face-offs, and are, as you've admitted, "best potential for impact" on their line due to the positional advantage. You contradict yourself in your own argument.

Show me the numbers for the highest paid centres vs. wingers in terms of "impact" if you are so confident. Marner does not impact the game equally to McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon. If you believe he does, show me.
 
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