Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[666]

Rumors abound that Knies is going to be offer sheeted... if people dont like Mitch at 12 mil, just wait till Knies and his agent use half a dozen other teams and the potential for them to offer sheet Knies as leverage, we know Chicago likes him, they already tried to trade for him a few years ago. A young 30-ish goal power fwd, 1st liner, he gets $9 mil easy on the open market. There has to be at least one crazy GM that is willing to offer a 10 mil offer sheet, Leafs might have to go to $10 mil per to just to keep him. There is the potential/possibility we lose Knies, Marner and Tavares this summer. Knies contract will dictate if we keep Tavares. If we are forced into a bidding war on Knies, the bitching about getting Mitch on a team friendly contract, in order to sign other players, is a bit of a moot point.

Yikes dude. The guy might be a bit better than Bunting and Hands before him but we replaced Hands with Bunting for $1M. If Knives gets much more than those guys it's a mistake.

 

[Hellcat]

That would cost them, two 1sts + 2nd + 3rd + 10M in cap space

Absolutely no chance rebuilding teams like Chicago offer him that, it's a potential Mckenna pick. I don't think he's getting offer sheeted. He's a great player but rebuilding teams would be paying a hefty price, likely two top 15 picks in back to back years.

Good/contending teams likely don't have the draft picks necessary to even offer sheet him.

I think he re-signs for like 7.5M

There are a bunch of teams that "could" not saying they would. In tomorrows cap a 7 mil player today is more like a 9 or 10 mil player in two years.

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker

 

[Hellcat]

Yikes dude. The guy might be a bit better than Bunting and Hands before him but we replaced Hands with Bunting for $1M. If Knives gets much more than those guys it's a mistake.

I was no fan of Knies to begin the season, when I look at him I see Christian Hanson all over again but I was proven wrong, this guy is a legit NHL power forward. You're thinking 5 to 8 mil?

 

[AvroArrow]

There are a bunch of teams that "could" not saying they would. In tomorrows cap a 7 mil player today is more like a 9 or 10 mil player in two years.

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker

I just don't see a team willing to give up, two 1sts + 2nd + 3rd and all the cap space to acquire Knies

He could get offer sheeted in the 8.5M range possibly, zero chance he gets over 9

 

[666]

I was no fan of Knies to begin the season, when I look at him I see Christian Hanson all over again but I was proven wrong, this guy is a legit NHL power forward. You're thinking 5 to 8 mil?

There is something wrong with Matthews. His goal scoring is the lowest ever but his assist are the highest ever. I think Knives is benefiting from that. I'd pay him at most what Hands got plus inflation, $6 tops and even then he has no leverage so I'd go $5M and go to arbitration and walk anywhere near $8M. On the other hand Laf got $7.4M which to me is just insane.

 

[TheDoldrums]

 

[Antropovsky]

Again, I don’t care if he wouldn’t be on your team. It isn’t reality.

The reality is Marner IS on our team. And I want this team to have success this year. So I’m gonna support him and every other player and hope they figure it out so we can watch and cheer them on.

You’re free to disagree and hope otherwise that’s the purpose of the forum.

Again, I don't care what you what you care about. This is a Leaf fans board, not a Francis246 feelings board.

 

[Hellcat]

;D

 

[Hellcat]

Again, I don't care what you what you care about. This is a Leaf fans board, not a Francis246 feelings board.

Why are you here then?

 

[Antropovsky]

Being careful with my words here. I used to think that @Antropovsky was just naive about statistics so I'd point out things he did wrong. Then, more recently after some very strange posts about Domi being equal / better than Marner / Nylander I thought that he was just trolling. I'm starting to think that there is something troubling going on here and will change my posting practices to reflect that.

Show me where I said Domi was better than Nylander.

Posters that are fans of Marner, strangely s%$& on Domi...but Domi has better stats with Matthews than Marner has...Matthews has better stats with Domi. Also Domi had more 5v5 points than Marner last year.

It's strange to #*^@ on Domi but think Marner is a god.

But that's you... you spent days trying to twist a poster saying he doesn't watch every single minute of every game into "you don't even watch the games". You repeated this for days like a 8 year old.

You contribute nothing to this board of value.

 

[Antropovsky]

Why are you here then?

? I know where this is going...lol are you implying that you have to be a Marner fan to be a Leaf fan?

Are these the Toronto Maple Marners?

You all do realize there’s a salary cap, right?

It’s a business—some of you are way too emotionally attached to Marner.

 

[Hellcat]

It's strange to #*^@ on Domi but think Marner is a god.

Domi is a poor 3rd line center, Mitch is an elite 1st lime RW. It's strange to think anything else based on their historical performance.

You contribute nothing to this board of value.

Except for common sense and solid grounding of the TRUE facts.

 

[Hellcat]

? I know where this is going...lol are you implying that you have to be a Marner fan to be a Leaf fan?

Are these the Toronto Maple Marners?

You all do realize there’s a salary cap, right?

It’s a business—some of you are way too emotionally attached to Marner.

Once again your assumptions is wrong, I'm implying you have to be a fan to be a fan...

 

[francis246]

? I know where this is going...lol are you implying that you have to be a Marner fan to be a Leaf fan?

Are these the Toronto Maple Marners?

You all do realize there’s a salary cap, right?

It’s a business—some of you are way too emotionally attached to Marner.

No ones attached to him emotionally, many people have said, that if the leafs chose not to extend him we wouldn’t care for Marner there after.

And honestly I don’t have a problem with other posters who agree with not resigning him. Tonedog, Racer88, Gary Nylund others have been on the opposite side but they are rational. They can acknowledge when Marner has a good game and fairly criticize him when he plays like shit. You on the other hand provide nothing of substance, perpetuate constant negativity and want everyone to be on board with you. There’s zero common ground when it comes to you and that’s why a lot of people go ham on you.

 

[IPS]

No ones attached to him emotionally, many people have said, that if the leafs chose not to extend him we wouldn’t care for Marner there after.

Of course there's people emotionally attached. Superstar players on every team garner emotional attachment. Nothing wrong with it either, everyone's got their favourites.

 

[666]

Posters that are fans of Marner, strangely s%$& on Domi...but Domi has better stats with Matthews than Marner has...Matthews has better stats with Domi. Also Domi had more 5v5 points than Marner last year.

It's strange to #*^@ on Domi but think Marner is a god.

You contribute nothing to this board of value.

You're still using small samples and ignoring a lot of context. I'd suggest that you focus on those areas for now. You should probably watch the games too.

 

[ACC1224]

Mitch Marner focused on team success, not contract: 'I’m here to just play hockey' | TSN

While the possibility reaching unrestricted free agency on July 1 continues to linger, Toronto Maple Leafs forward Mitch Marner says he's keeping his focus on the here and now.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Antropovsky]

Once again your assumptions is wrong, I'm implying you have to be a fan to be a fan...

Can you undicate any other way that im not a fan, other than not being a big fan of Marner?

If not then clearly you are of the opinion that these are the Toronto Maple Marners. Which makes you an obsessed Marner groupie and im a Leaf Fan.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I was just guessing at 40%, it was an arbitrary number which is why I was asking about what the true % of points as goals = goal scorer.

There is no universal standard for this. It doesn't actually matter.

So most of the highly paid forwards in the NHL are centres, because they have the greatest impact on the game.

Centers are overrepresented among highly paid forwards because centers are overrepresented among top forwards in the league. The best kids are more often put at center through their growth and development. But they are not top players because they are centers, you don't need to be a center to be a top player, and they are not getting inflated compensation relative to performance because of their position.

Centres have a greater impact on the game, and therefore are typically paid more than wingers. If wingers were equally important, they should be equally represented as a percentage of population.

Wingers can be just as impactful as centers. Impact is impact, and impact from a center is not worth any more than equivalent impact from a winger. A winger that is able to hit that impact level being rarer doesn't make the impact they bring any less valuable. That's faulty logic.

 

[The Shadow]

I think he will leave and unfortunately he’s a big asset lost for nothing

The no move clauses really hurt any ability to have good asset management in a case like this

 

[Dekes For Days]

Also Domi had more 5v5 points than Marner last year.

That's not even true. And he has half the amount this year.

 

[Antropovsky]

That's not even true. And he has half the amount this year.

Lol I'm sorry he had 1 less in 38 less mins, but he had more everything points per /60 than Marner
Domi had 2.23 per 60 assists and Marner had 1.73 per 60 assists.

How many 3rd liners out assisted Gretzky per 60 over an entire year? Wondering because you all were comparing Marner to Gretzky the last couple years. Happy you guys got wiser and that stopped.

 

[Antropovsky]

Haha as a player and a coach.

This is a player who wouldn't be on my tteam.its not a hard decision either. And for 13% of the cap, this player will single handedly put you out of the playoffs.

@francis246, @Metroid, @Hellcat
@Smif
Nothing on this? You all played sports, tell us how a coach would love to have this guy on their team in their playoffs. Break down for us what you love about Marners efforts in the clips. Tell everyone the heart and determination Marner is showing in these clips, and how this is a player with killer instinct.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Glad to go into more detail on this goal. I've said the same thing over and over...Marner does not do ANY dirty work. He very very rarely goes into corners with the intention of battling. Last game, while the rest of the Leafs went into corners with hesitation and with speed... Marner would be hesitant and slow and if he got to the corner, he would very quickly lose the battle. Because he doesn't even try. Which is what Biz and Hrudey highlighted in the playoff intermission showing clips of Marner while saying "hasn't won a battle all night" and he's "just not been very good".

Here is another angle of the goal with "Marners stick in the air". Matthews takes the puck to the net and Knies crashes...Which causes three Florida Panthers to collapse on them. both go to battle for the loose puck and win it. Meanwhile Marner.....just cruising in open areas lol. This goal would not happen without Knies and Matthews crashing the net.

Marner never does the same for them. He doesn't take pucks to net, and he certainly never crashes the net and HE MOST certainly doesn't battle for loose pucks behind the net. He's never around the net. The best he does is a fly by.

This play does not happen if it's Marner who gets the puck on the boards and not Matthews. No chance in hell. There are about 3 plays that Matthews make that Marner won't. Again Matthews the playdriver and Marner riding coat-tails.

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They really do complement each other. Anyone of them could have made that play.

Haha as a player and a coach.

This is a player who wouldn't be on my tteam.its not a hard decision either. And for 13% of the cap, this player will single handedly put you out of the playoffs.

Yup, that game 4 was a nightmare for Marner.

 

[Antropovsky]

They really do complement each other. Anyone of them could have made that play.
Yup, that game 4 was a nightmare for Marner.

@Leaf Fans , @Metroid , @francis246 , @Hellcat
@Smif

Got a few more doozies for you! I know you guys can spot a winner, because i apparently dont know ehat playing with heart and determination looks like and certainly can't spot a winner.

Few more plays to discuss:

Didn't Marner fans admit Marner also was very bad in game 3 vs Florida?

What about this widely talked about play vs Montreal where Marner let's Montreal get the puck because he's afraid to get hit? Tons of heart right... what an animal doing whatever it takes to win!



What about YEARS later vs Boston where he was caught doing it again but only even worse? Didn't Marner fans try to say it was smart lol that he dodge the hit and let Boston get the puck and easily clear the zone. Yep! The heart and determination ! Anyone whose played a sport would know that was what winners do!


So two replays of Marner literally gifting loose pucks to opponents. Hmm yea, who cares right, we didn't need those possessions! We can get the next ones!

Seeing a pattern yet? All these years of replays of Marner mailing it in and Marner fans are saying IM the one who isnt a leaf fan?