Toggle sidebar

Mitch Marner, Yet Again

Antropovsky said:
If you've paid any attention to my posts, I've always cited 5v5. It is the preferred metric in the advanced stats community. Which I also posted a quote indicating so earlier.

Can you Marner supporters post something interesting data so I can have similar evidence requests? ;)

View attachment 1001337
Click to expand...

It’s impossible to take you seriously when you don’t actually watch the games and just spout analytics that you got from someone else’s spreadsheet.

I trust what I see with my own eyes much more than I would ever trust some cherry picked data. But then again I understand hockey, unlike many of the novice fans and casual observers here who can only rely on statistics.

There’s no mention on the stat sheet from last night about how Marner was backchecking in overtime to break up an odd man rush right in front of Joke Woll. Also no mention about how he saved what would have been an empty net goal in regulation.

That’s why you have to watch the games instead of just looking at the stat sheet, my friend.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Metroid, frizzer1 and arso40
keonsbitterness said:
Rielly is the best d-man option based on offensive skill, but his shot is below average and he often wastes time looking for the perfect option instead of moving the puck quickly, which is the strategy the coaching staff seems to favour. If not Marner, who?
Click to expand...
Maybe they "favour" that option because they don't have a point man with a quality shot from the point?

Regardless, I doubt they put a lot of thought into "who should man the point, we gotta think about who can rush back on D if we f*** up". And even if they do, I'd think they'd choose someone with better wheels than Marner.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arso40
Gary Nylund said:
First of all, Woll is part of the team. Secondly, many have said that it was a team loss, and pointed out many WTF moments. Someone posted a picture of SJ having a 2on1 right in front of Woll because there were 4 Leafs doing who knows what at the blue line, is that on Woll?
Click to expand...

I watched that goal in real time, Woll could have made a save there. (I stayed up to watch the game) that shot was so slow, idk he wasn’t even screened, they showed from multiple angles, he was not screen or anything, let a muffin in.

4th goal was on him, 1st goal was on him, wasn’t set in the net, though no body’s clearing is kinda crazy and the Toffoli PP goal to me, he reacted so slow.

Didn’t love the goal after the Benoit pinch but I’ll give Woll the benefit of doubt… watching last night, everytime the leafs got momentum Woll would let in a back breaker. After the Laughton goal honestly, the leafs had all the momentum and he let in a stinker right after.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aashir and arso40
Antropovsky said:
Yes, a few posters think it's not possible that you can be a fan and think the Leafs would be better off without Marner. Here are a couple posters like them from the Panthers board following the Huberdeau trade:
View attachment 1001352
Click to expand...

We’re really referencing the one time a team made that type of trade and won?

A prime example is Buffalo, trading away your stars isn’t always a recipe for success. Sometimes you end up like Florida, sometimes it’s Buffalo. Hopefully if our management group decides to move on from Marner we are closer to Florida
 
Antropovsky said:
Yes, a few posters think it's not possible that you can be a fan and think the Leafs would be better off without Marner. Here are a couple posters like them from the Panthers board following the Huberdeau trade:
View attachment 1001352
Click to expand...
Not sure what that post has to do with my post about Willy and Mitch.

Also, I was not discussing Mitch in particular or his leaving - I was just pointing out that a lot of posters here seem to think they have to like only one, and therefore not the other.
 
  • Like
Reactions: francis246
notDatsyuk said:
Not sure what that post has to do with my post about Willy and Mitch.

Also, I was not discussing Mitch in particular or his leaving - I was just pointing out that a lot of posters here seem to think they have to like only one, and therefore not the other.
Click to expand...
Sorry selective reading.

But to chime in on what you actually said... I don't see alot of posters who think they have to like only one anymore. but I think Nylanders play this and last year eliminated alot of the criticism of his play.
 
  • Like
Reactions: notDatsyuk and arso40
francis246 said:
What does it matter? It’s just pettiness. One part of the play is not more important than the other. Marner makes a beautiful play to give Willy a chance to score, Willy makes good on the opportunity with a great shot in tight. See how simple that is? You can acknowledge both parts of the goal without trying to diminish one players contribution to the play.
Click to expand...
No, one is more important than the other that’s the part your missing the goal is more important than the pass I keep hearing about the pass havent heard much about the shot so I’m making it clear my opinion is that it was a good pass and a better shot you let me know your opinion which I don’t disagree I’m just giving you mine
 
francis246 said:
I watched that goal in real time, Woll could have made a save there. (I stayed up to watch the game) that shot was so slow, idk he wasn’t even screened, they showed from multiple angles, he was not screen or anything, let a muffin in.

4th goal was on him, 1st goal was on him, wasn’t set in the net, though no body’s clearing is kinda crazy and the Toffoli PP goal to me, he reacted so slow.

Didn’t love the goal after the Benoit pinch but I’ll give Woll the benefit of doubt… watching last night, everytime the leafs got momentum Woll would let in a back breaker. After the Laughton goal honestly, the leafs had all the momentum and he let in a stinker right after.
Click to expand...
Maybe Woll could have made the save, but that situation should never have happened to begin with.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arso40
666 said:
Says, the guy that doesn't watch the games.
Click to expand...
The guy who "doesn't care what I think" keeps responding to me like an obsessed teenager. :laugh::laugh:

I've watched almost every game this year. Last month or two I've rarely watched the entire 60 game but that doesn't mean I "don't watch". I've explained this to you about 16 times already, how do you still not get this?
 
  • Like
Reactions: arso40
francis246 said:
Matthews had a tough night with turnovers. He had two Galchenyuk level turnovers last night, was kinda crazy. Both led to 2 on 1’s. SJ scored on the PP one.
Click to expand...
On the SH goal against, Nylander turned it over. Then Marner playing defense didn't close the gap on his man... and let him walk all the way in leading to the goal.

Anyone know whose mistake goal 5 on the PK was? Three Leafs defended the point, which led to an series of passes and an easy tap in goal by San Jose.

Screenshot_20250328_154308_Chrome.jpg
 
  • Like
Reactions: arso40
Antropovsky said:
On the SH goal against, Nylander turned it over. Then Marner playing defense didn't close the gap on his man... and let him walk all the way in leading to the goal.

Anyone know whose mistake goal 5 on the PK was? Three Leafs defended the point, which led to an series of passes and an easy tap in goal by San Jose.

View attachment 1001400
Click to expand...


Whose fault would you say that goal was? Genuinely curious. Because without us knowing the leafs PK scheme and the coverages discussed in the meetings, you could make an individual case for all three guys. Someone is not where they are supposed to be.

Based on the screen shot, I’d honestly have to say Matthews. That screen shot looks like he chases high instead of covering the man low. Gonna go back and watch it
 
francis246 said:
Matthews had a tough night with turnovers. He had two Galchenyuk level turnovers last night, was kinda crazy. Both led to 2 on 1’s. SJ scored on the PP one.
Click to expand...
Yeah from what I've read, sounds like Woll had by far the worst game but the rest of them weren't very good either. I mean SJ is in last place overall, this is just a bad team period and we should be able to pound them even with a zamboni driver in net. The way we came oh so close to losing doesn't exactly inspire confidence and it's not the first time we've lost to them either, just terrible.
 
  • Like
Reactions: francis246 and Antropovsky
Antropovsky said:
On the SH goal against, Nylander turned it over. Then Marner playing defense didn't close the gap on his man... and let him walk all the way in leading to the goal.

Anyone know whose mistake goal 5 on the PK was? Three Leafs defended the point, which led to an series of passes and an easy tap in goal by San Jose.

View attachment 1001400
Click to expand...

I went back and watched the play, that’s on Matthews. He looks completely lost out there and gets caught in no man’s land. Missing his assignment. Matthews hesitates to push to the point (he actually back skates towards the net instead of moving up and pressuring the puck carrier) and because of that, Marner ends up going to cover the point. Then Matthews gets lost in the sauce since he’s in the middle, Tanev shifts to cover Matthews position leaving Toffoli wide open. Matthews is completely hesitant that PK leading to a complete breakdown and others having to cover for his indecisiveness.
 
francis246 said:
Whose fault would you say that goal was? Genuinely curious. Because without us knowing the leafs PK scheme and the coverages discussed in the meetings, you could make an individual case for all three guys. Someone is not where they are supposed to be.

Based on the screen shot, I’d honestly have to say Matthews. That screen shot looks like he chases high instead of covering the man low. Gonna go back and watch it
Click to expand...
All three just looked at it marner was all over the ice Matthews was supposed to be pressuring the pucc but marner came out of position they don’t play good together on the pk 5on5 even the power play everyone knows where it’s going when marner has it just put kampf bacc with marner it’s way better
 
Last edited:
francis246 said:
I went back and watched the play, that’s on Matthews. He looks completely lost out there and gets caught in no man’s land. Missing his assignment. Matthews hesitates to push to the point (he actually back skates towards the net instead of moving up and pressuring the puck carrier) and because of that, Marner ends up going to cover the point. Then Matthews gets lost in the sauce since he’s in the middle, Tanev shifts to cover Matthews position leaving Toffoli wide open. Matthews is completely hesitant that PK leading to a complete breakdown and others having to cover for his indecisiveness.
Click to expand...
Didnt see this when I responded
 
Zybalto said:
It's goals per game the last 3 years. Makar has had the better team around him of course which is why he has had more team success.

Leafs 5v5 without Marner/Matthews/Rielly the last 3 playoffs:
Goals for/60: 1.57
Goals against/60: 3.14

Avs 5v5 without MacKinnon/Rantanen/Makar the last 3 playoffs:
Goals for/60: 2.28
Goals against/60: 2.32

Would love the Leafs to have that Avs number. Would have won a bunch more even with the poor special teams.
Click to expand...
I respect you take the time to look at stats to back your opinion up and all but the way you can’t just use stats that favor your point.

Pretty sure 5v5 numbers for the Leafs with AM/MM/Reilly won’t be as good as Avs with Mack/Rantanen/Makar.
as the Avs three are just much better players than the Leafs trio.

What you wrote made it sounded like AM/MM/Reilly are equal to Mack/Rantanen/Makar.

Avs got better depth but their top guys actually showed up when it matters in playoffs esp elimination games while our guys just choked. If you continue to find stats to support that and built false narratives in your mind, I really can’t you seriously.
Fact is ONE playoffs series WIN in EIGHT years.
Can’t score more than TWO goals in a playoff game for the past two series. Can’t say that about the Avs.
 
  • Love
Reactions: arso40
Antropovsky said:
Mcdavid on Marner "Kinda plays high in the zone".

You keep trying to distract from the topic and say Marner is on the point on the PP.

Mcdavid himself said Marner plays high in the zone 5v5.

You cannot deny that Marner is always high in the zone 5v5, it has nothing to do with PP. He goes nowhere near the opposing teams net or into corners.

I'm looking forward to his highlight reel to be posted because it will show how often his assists are around the net.
Click to expand...
McDavid on Marner is this: “Obviously two amazing players," McDavid said. “Reinhart scores lots of goals. He has a great shot and is so smart. Mitch, obviously a playmaker, kind of plays up high in the zone, so definitely a good mix.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arso40
francis246 said:
I watched that goal in real time, Woll could have made a save there. (I stayed up to watch the game) that shot was so slow, idk he wasn’t even screened, they showed from multiple angles, he was not screen or anything, let a muffin in.

4th goal was on him, 1st goal was on him, wasn’t set in the net, though no body’s clearing is kinda crazy and the Toffoli PP goal to me, he reacted so slow.

Didn’t love the goal after the Benoit pinch but I’ll give Woll the benefit of doubt… watching last night, everytime the leafs got momentum Woll would let in a back breaker. After the Laughton goal honestly, the leafs had all the momentum and he let in a stinker right after.
Click to expand...

No idea which goal you guys are referring to here.

But you can always just post the clip of the goal.

worth a 1,000 words right?

www.nhl.com

San Jose Sharks - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mar 27, 2025 | NHL.com

NHL Gamecenter - San Jose Sharks vs. Toronto Maple Leafs, Mar 27, 2025 - summary, stats, boxscore, play by play, recap and more.
www.nhl.com www.nhl.com

Don't need a he-said she-said scenario when the evidence is available.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: francis246 and arso40
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom