Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[hockeywiz542]

Treliving asked point blank about Marner negotiations

TSN

March 18, 2025

Maple Leafs general manager Brad Treliving joins Gino Reda to discuss Auston Matthews' impact in their win over the Flames, how important the standings are to them and if there's any update on the Mitch Marner contract negotiations.

 

[therealkoho]

Is he a good teammate? It sounds like most of the dressing room is tired of him.



They tried to trade him.

The first is utter bullshite

The second part is misguided, Carolina has wanted Marner since his RFA contract. I'd imagine when trying to unload Rantanen they said give us blank blank and include Marner. So they asked him if he'd do it, he said no and that was that. I doubt Treliving called them and said hey I'll give you Mitch for Rantanen +.

 

[Dreakmur]

The first is utter bullshite

If you say so.

The second part is misguided, Carolina has wanted Marner since his RFA contract. I'd imagine when trying to unload Rantanen they said give us blank blank and include Marner. So they asked him if he'd do it, he said no and that was that. I doubt Treliving called them and said hey I'll give you Mitch for Rantanen +.

Go ask your wife if she’s willing to get a divorce. Think it matters why you’re asking?

 

[ToneDog]

If we take the last NHL.com top 10 wingers list and note recent signings:

1. Kuch
2. M Chucky
3. Ranta [this year, 12M]
4. Pasta [two years ago, 11.25M]
5. Panarin
6. JRob
7. Kirill
8. Willy [last year, 11.5M]
9. Reinhart [last year, 8.6M]
10. Marner

It kinda gives you a rough blueprint for Mitch this year.

It's notable that the high-water mark of 12M, signed last week, was also rejected by Colorado.

You can pay him if he was the only guy but when he's the 3rd guy wanting to be overpaid, it will not work. Sakic refused to pay a better player less than Marner which should give Shanny and Co. a clue that "we can and we will" will not work.

 

[ACC1224]

On distraction: Do you know if it was ever discussed that by not signing the contract before the playoffs it could prove to be a distraction given his impending status?

Discussed by who?
IMO, it will be/is a distraction that's not needed.

 

[666]

You again missed the point (and most if my post).

So Tre thinks Marner is worth $12M and if he wants more we're better off letting him walk? I agree.

We don't know what Tre thinks Marner is worth.

It's like dealing with children in here. Last time.

Before the TD the only thing that the Leafs had guaranteed wrt to Marner was this seasons playoffs. Let's call it 4 months.
The value of Marner for these 4 months is approximately a first, a second and a good prospect. I'm not gonna argue it, it's close enough.
That's all Tre had and that's ONLY if Marner waived. In reality what he actually had was only 4 months of Marner as any potential trade was unlikely.
From the rumours he was offered Rantanen who eventually signed with Dallas. Perhaps they were allowed to talk to him before the team and maybe the Leafs were too.
You are saying that Tre was willing to take Rantanen at $12Mx8 for 4 months of Marner. I hope so.
The fact that Rantanen took $12M has nothing to do with Marners value for 4 months.
The problem that seems to confuse you is that the deal was probably 4 months of Rantanen (unsigned) for 4 months of Marner (unsigned) and if he thought that he had a chance to sign Rantanen and thought that Marner is going to UFA then he had to at least ask Marner to waive. The $12m is irrelevant to the trade.
Either way, Tre still has what he had before and that's 4 months of Marner.
That's the best that I can explain it.

I like to be understood but this was our last dance.

 

[therealkoho]

You got things backwards. Souring relationships is the Marner camp specialty.

That was all on Dubas, he should have never lied to Mitch, but he did.

 

[ACC1224]

We don't know what Tre thinks Marner is worth.

It's like dealing with children in here. Last time.

Before the TD the only thing that the Leafs had guaranteed wrt to Marner was this seasons playoffs. Let's call it 4 months.
The value of Marner for these 4 months is approximately a first, a second and a good prospect. I'm not gonna argue it, it's close enough.
That's all Tre had and that's ONLY if Marner waived. In reality what he actually had was only 4 months of Marner as any potential trade was unlikely.
From the rumours he was offered Rantanen who eventually signed with Dallas. Perhaps they were allowed to talk to him before the team and maybe the Leafs were too.
You are saying that Tre was willing to take Rantanen at $12Mx8 for 4 months of Marner. I hope so.
The fact that Rantanen took $12M has nothing to do with Marners value for 4 months.
The problem that seems to confuse you is that the deal was probably 4 months of Rantanen (unsigned) for 4 months of Marner (unsigned) and if he thought that he had a chance to sign Rantanen and thought that Marner is going to UFA then he had to at least ask Marner to waive. The $12m is irrelevant to the trade.
Either way, Tre still has what he had before and that's 4 months of Marner.
That's the best that I can explain it.

I like to be understood but this was our last dance.

It really is crazy the few that so proudly display their lack of understanding a simple situation.

 

[Sundinisagod]

That was all on Dubas, he should have never lied to Mitch, but he did.

Refresh my memory please.

 

[666]

It really is crazy the few that so proudly display their lack of understanding a simple situation.

I sure would like to see the critical thinking path that results in "Tre thinks Marner is worth $12M". Stick around for my next post.

 

[29Potvin]

Refresh my memory please.

Only thing I can remember is that the team(Lou) wouldn't give Mitch the bonuses in his ELC because the team didn't believe in them and than gave them all to Matthews the next year.

 

[Stringer Bell]

It really is crazy the few that so proudly display their lack of understanding a simple situation.

Who is telling you that he wants to resign here?

 

[therealkoho]

Maybe that's why his teammates hate him, having to buy all those jerseys for him, especially because (I heard) he never pays anyone back!

 

[666]

Go ask your wife if she’s willing to get a divorce. Think it matters why you’re asking?

If you know that she's already filed for divorce.

I'm not divorced but I bet some of the haters are. What I see in most of them is this unrelenting, illogical, emotional hate for Marner that's even sometime based on off-ice things. I imagine that being a hater is like hating your ex-wife even if she's a great mother. I can actually empathise with that sort of thing if your wife cheated or worse. But here's the thing, Marner ain't your ex-wife.

 

[therealkoho]

If you say so.



Go ask your wife if she’s willing to get a divorce. Think it matters why you’re asking?

It's a business, it has very little to do with love. Anyone who plays hockey (hell players in the MTHL get traded) understands the nature of the business, and why NTCs are all the rage. I think we'd all be surprised how many guys get asked to wave, and how many guys still resign even after they're asked.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It really is crazy the few that so proudly display their lack of understanding a simple situation.

You posted earlier that the team plays 5 games this week. Do you see the irony here?

TO be clear, if you're having trouble counting to 5, perhaps you're not in a position to lecture people about "understanding a simple situation."

 

[ACC1224]

If you know that she's already filed for divorce.

I'm not divorced but I bet some of the haters are. What I see in most of them is this unrelenting, illogical, emotional hate for Marner that's even sometime based on off-ice things. I imagine that being a hater is like hating your ex-wife even if she's a great mother. I can actually empathise with that sort of thing if your wife cheated or worse. But here's the thing, Marner ain't your ex-wife.

To think the situations are even remotely similar certainly is bizarre.

 

[Gary Nylund]

If you know that she's already filed for divorce.

I'm not divorced but I bet some of the haters are. What I see in most of them is this unrelenting, illogical, emotional hate for Marner that's even sometime based on off-ice things. I imagine that being a hater is like hating your ex-wife even if she's a great mother. I can actually empathise with that sort of thing if your wife cheated or worse. But here's the thing, Marner ain't your ex-wife.

Hey buddy, can you spare some arrogance/condescension? Asking for a friend.

And why don't you stop with this "hater" nonsense, are you allergic to adult conversation or something?

 

[666]

To think the situations are even remotely similar certainly is bizarre.

I stand by it

 

[666]

For 86 games, Marner produces at a rate where you could say that he justifies his cap hit. After that, in the most important games of the year he produces at the rate of a middle 6 forward. IIRC, Max Domi out produced him against Boston and that's just embarrassing.

You talk about people ignoring this and that, but you're the one who's ignoring the facts that are staring you right in the face. Like I said, if you can't handle the truth then that's your problem, but the facts are what they are.

You can go back to blaming Matthews now.

You repeat yourself a lot.

Are you aware that Marner played the most 5v5 minutes and was on the ice for only 2 goals against and one of them was that fluke goal at the end.
He had the lowest GA/60 of ALL the Leafs. And he plays against the oppositions top guys.
Shirley you have to at least acknowledge that 1+(1) goals against in 7 games against their best is pretty good.
I wonder if the coaches ask him to use his amazing defensive skills or he just does it without direction.

Edit to add.
Forgot to mention that Matthews had one goal with a sh% of 6.25 for his 5 games. I wonder if that might have impacted Marner's points.

 

[ITM]

Discussed by who?
IMO, it will be/is a distraction that's not needed.

Those you've apparently spoken with on the situation - at least that's the plain inference from a couple of your comments.

 

[ACC1224]

Those you've apparently spoken with on the situation - at least that's the plain inference from a couple of your comments.

Yes I asked but they didn’t know

 

[notDatsyuk]

We don't know what Tre thinks Marner is worth.

It's like dealing with children in here. Last time.

Before the TD the only thing that the Leafs had guaranteed wrt to Marner was this seasons playoffs. Let's call it 4 months.
The value of Marner for these 4 months is approximately a first, a second and a good prospect. I'm not gonna argue it, it's close enough.
That's all Tre had and that's ONLY if Marner waived. In reality what he actually had was only 4 months of Marner as any potential trade was unlikely.
From the rumours he was offered Rantanen who eventually signed with Dallas. Perhaps they were allowed to talk to him before the team and maybe the Leafs were too.
You are saying that Tre was willing to take Rantanen at $12Mx8 for 4 months of Marner. I hope so.
The fact that Rantanen took $12M has nothing to do with Marners value for 4 months.
The problem that seems to confuse you is that the deal was probably 4 months of Rantanen (unsigned) for 4 months of Marner (unsigned) and if he thought that he had a chance to sign Rantanen and thought that Marner is going to UFA then he had to at least ask Marner to waive. The $12m is irrelevant to the trade.
Either way, Tre still has what he had before and that's 4 months of Marner.
That's the best that I can explain it.

I like to be understood but this was our last dance.

It's like dealing with children in here. Last time.

Even if you want to ignore the fact that Rantanen got $12M, and just look at the "4 months of Rantanen (unsigned) for 4 months of Marner (unsigned)".

By Tre approaching Marner to see if he would waive his NTC so that the trade could be made, Tre made it clear that he valued Rantanen more than he valued Marner, and that he was willing to not have Marner on the team going forward.

If you want to look at Rantanen's new contract separately, then consider that, as a better player (and one Tre indicated he would prefer), the current market value is $12M, which implies that Marner's real market value is somewhat lower.

I don't think I can explain it any more clearly.

 

[francis246]

Really? Wow, that's seems pretty bad. I mean I'm not that big on stats but that really does seem ... pretty bad.

What numbers?!

 

[francis246]

It's like dealing with children in here. Last time.

Even if you want to ignore the fact that Rantanen got $12M, and just look at the "4 months of Rantanen (unsigned) for 4 months of Marner (unsigned)".

By Tre approaching Marner to see if he would waive his NTC so that the trade could be made, Tre made it clear that he valued Rantanen more than he valued Marner, and that he was willing to not have Marner on the team going forward.

If you want to look at Rantanen's new contract separately, then consider that, as a better player (and one Tre indicated he would prefer), the current market value is $12M, which implies that Marner's real market value is somewhat lower.

I don't think I can explain it any more clearly.

Rantanen took less than market value. He was offered a bigger contract in Carolina. He got paid in bonuses and had positive tax implications. Plus he wanted to live in a city.

I don’t think anyone with a straight face can deny he took less than market value