How In The World Is Tim Thomas Not In The HHOF?

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So not liking a president would be a pretty mainline thing. Moving to Colorado to escape an incipient financial apocalypse is slightly more eyebrow raising.

Not liking the incumbent POTUS or his policies is far from a questionable view.

Majority of the time, 50% of the country does not like the person in the WH nor do they agree with them on much of anything.
 
Not liking the incumbent POTUS or his policies is far from a questionable view.

Majority of the time, 50% of the country does not like the person in the WH nor do they agree with them on much of anything.

That's what I said. Did you ignore the second half with his actual questionable views on purpose?
 
The History of Hockey board recently did a Top 60 goalies of all time list. Thomas placed 58th. Discussion threads could offer some explanation of why he ranked where he did. He was on the ballot starting with vote 10 (assuming I can in fact read).

 
His career was short. That’s pretty much it.

I love that politics gets blamed though, because it assumes his don’t match with like 95% of the league’s (and probably the decision-makers in the HHOF as well). You’d probably have a better argument if you said he was a doomsday prepper and kind of lost the plot for a while and that’s why the HoF avoided him.
you were sooooo close then just like Timmy's career you spun off the rails to little to late.....
 
Political views
Don't think so. He spent half his career in lower tier leagues. That weighs more than his political views.

In reality no one but a few teenagers on social media gives two shits if someone has different political views.

It's the hockey hall of fame, if it was the NHL hall of fame he might be already in. Who knows?
 
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Loved watching him play, he was amazing. I think he won't get in because of lack of international play and his short career.

Don't think his political views have anything to do with it. Majority of the players are probably right leaning anyway. They're millionnaires, why wouldn't they be.
 
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Personally value peak performance over ~3 years for goalies more than longevity but the hhof seems to be the opposite. Two or three years is long enough for a goalie to show they aren't just a flash-in-the-pan at being the best in the world.
 
Thomas had 214 wins over his career, which puts him between... Jake Allen and James Reimer for all-time wins.
I agree that peak performance should count for more, but it's the same reason why it took 10 years for the HHOF to induct Lindros at all, and why neither Kent Nilsson nor Palffy were ever inducted.
 
And yet they won nothing without him and even had some monumental collapses
Defensive structure is a huge component of goaltender success, and goalie styles also align better or worse with defensive styles. There's probably a reason that Thomas only really experienced success when he was playing behind Chara for 25+ minutes a night and a fellow complement of relatively stout defensive d-men. Canucks activated their defense and drove play through them all game long. Boston played a less possession heavy style and their defense stayed at home to dedicate all their efforts to boxing out and containing high percentage scoring chances/cross-ice passes. Thomas could not sustain success with his aggressive, attacking style in any other setting, hence his late arrival to and early departure from the NHL. All things considered, Luongo is without question the better goaltender. In fact, suggesting otherwise is completely ludicrous. He succeeded under many, many different structures, on strong teams and very weak teams, with high shot volumes and low. For the Canucks alone, he was robbed of the Vezina in his first year, when he carried them to the playoffs and through a round while being shielded in a way much more similar to Thomas under a tight checking, highly structured, defensive system on an otherwise bad team in transition. He was simply a better all-around goaltender who would represent a strength on any team he played for. Thomas was not that, plain and simple - in some systems, he would have been absolutely terrible. He wasn't playable as a starter apart from roughly four years on a team playing a particular style with a particular personnel composition, under which yes, they did capture lightning in a bottle.

This isn't hard, and isn't complicated or even controversial for anyone who understands the dynamics of the position, which is littered with 2-3 year success stories that turned out to be mediocre at best under different systems or in different situations for exactly these reasons.
 
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Defensive structure is a huge component of goaltender success, and goalie styles also align better or worse with defensive styles. There's probably a reason that Thomas only really experienced success when he was playing behind Chara for 25+ minutes a night and a fellow complement of relatively stout defensive d-men. Canucks activated their defense and drove play through them all game long. Boston played a less possession heavy style and their defense stayed at home to dedicate all their efforts to boxing out and containing high percentage scoring chances/cross-ice passes. Thomas could not sustain success with his aggressive, attacking style in any other setting, hence his late arrival to and early departure from the NHL. All things considered, Luongo is without question the better goaltender. In fact, suggesting otherwise is completely ludicrous. He succeeded under many, many different structures, on strong teams and very weak teams, with high shot volumes and low. For the Canucks alone, he was robbed of the Vezina in his first year, when he carried them to the playoffs and through a round while being shielded in a way much more similar to Thomas under a tight checking, highly structured, defensive system on an otherwise bad team in transition. He was simply a better all-around goaltender who would represent a strength on any team he played for. Thomas was not that, plain and simple - in some systems, he would have been absolutely terrible. He wasn't playable as a starter apart from roughly four years on a team playing a particular style with a particular personnel composition, under which yes, they did capture lightning in a bottle.

This isn't hard, and isn't complicated or even controversial for anyone who understands the dynamics of the position, which is littered with 2-3 year success stories that turned out to be mediocre at best under different systems or in different situations for exactly these reasons.
And yet they never won anything without him, so it's almost like it's a complimentary thing. Rask is borderline HOF, they didn't win because he was merely good-great in the finals not Godlike like Thomas.
 
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And yet they never won anything without him, so it's almost like it's a complimentary thing. Rask is borderline HOF, they didn't win because he was merely good-great in the finals not Godlike like Thomas.
Don't disagree with that per se, though it's a tough claim to support. I think Rask benefited from some of the same factors FWIW, though with a less distinctive style and approach.

I know you know what I'm talking about, but check out this vid from 1:20 until 1:30 (and elsewhere as well, but there are two really good examples there). These aren't cases that went particularly well for him - he had to make fantastic saves to get out of the situations created by his aggression - but I doubt anyone can name me another goalie in the past 15 years who attacks the shooter that aggressively, and there's generally a reason for it.

 
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I wonder what the cutoff is for shortest highest peak to get into the HOF would be. Like if there was a defenseman who won the Norris, Art Ross, Rocket, Hart, and Conn Smythe each year for 2-3 years but after that he was a JAG would he make the cut?
 

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