Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[ToneDog]

1. Don’t think Avs can sign MM at 11.75mil since they got Necas and Coyle now.
2. I do think MM will sign for less if he thinks he gets a better chance in winning like all players.
3. If MM is to do that, it also shows his love for the Leafs.
4. At the end, I think MM will be in Hawks or Sharks as that’s two teams who are willing to pay MM plus they got good young core pieces that with a few signings can make it big. Caps is also a sleeper team to sign MM.

I doubt Marner or his father's ego would allow him to accept $11.75m. We'll see if the Leafs hold strong and punt his ass out of here after he shits his pants in a month.

 

[thewave]

I doubt Marner or his father's ego would allow him to accept $11.75m. We'll see if the Leafs hold strong and punt his ass out of here after he shits his pants in a month.

Marner is shitting his pants right now. Emporer has no clothes.

 

[francis246]

1. Don’t think Avs can sign MM at 11.75mil since they got Necas and Coyle now.
2. I do think MM will sign for less if he thinks he gets a better chance in winning like all players.
3. If MM is to do that, it also shows his love for the Leafs.
4. At the end, I think MM will be in Hawks or Sharks as that’s two teams who are willing to pay MM plus they got good young core pieces that with a few signings can make it big. Caps is also a sleeper team to sign MM.

We're not taking about now. We are saying if the leafs wanted Marner gone, they should have offered Marner to the Avs when Rantanen was first available. Their odds of getting that deal done were higher, Marner probably at least thinks about waiving for the Avs since they have a history of winning and he just played with MacKinnon compared to waiving for Carolina

 

[thewave]

I don't know why you continuously use brady. The guy has won f*** all in this league, get off his ass. I don't care what Brady Tkachuk does. And that brady situation is completely different. Norris is gone, Marner is still here. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

Marner may be here but he and Rielly don't seem all there? Both look like they have the Shambles brains together.

 

[ACC1224]

Mitch and Leon overlap in one critical area and that is potential AAV. Ultimately this may not be a Leafs concern if Marner walks to the highest bidder, however it is tiresome to hear about how Mitch is positioned to make whatever whatever when even you would agree he is does not belong at that echelon on the ice. It's not strange criticism more so that it's strange these names and numbers are even being floated.

AAV is irrelevant, % of cap is what’s important and it wouldn’t be expected to be on par with Draisaitl. I doubt he would even be used as a comparable.

 

[daveleaf]

Sign Mitch. 13.5 x 8. Trade Mathews and get some dogs on this team. Take Mitch and out him on the 60’s leafs and he’s Keon.

Mitch is the guy who gets the team going. He’s not physical but neither was Dave.

 

[thewave]

Sign Mitch. 13.5 x 8. Trade Mathews and get some dogs on this team. Take Mitch and out him on the 60’s leafs and he’s Keon.

Mitch is the guy who gets the team going. He’s not physical but neither was Dave.

Wow. Are you even watching the games lately? Mitch Marner is the last thing we need and is absolutely the worst letter on the team. You want the glove chucker and puck flicker to lead this team?

Dave, come on man

 

[Gary Nylund]

Clearly you don't because you don't watch the games.

I've watched almost every game Marner's ever played. I've watched less this season, but I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong when I say that Marner's having yet another regular season.

If you disagree that's fair, what don't you like about the way Marner's played this season? What is it that I'm missing because I haven't been paying as much attention as in previous years?

 

[ULF_55]

We're not taking about now. We are saying if the leafs wanted Marner gone, they should have offered Marner to the Avs when Rantanen was first available. Their odds of getting that deal done were higher, Marner probably at least thinks about waiving for the Avs since they have a history of winning and he just played with MacKinnon compared to waiving for Carolina

I disagree.

IMO he wants to exercise his free agency rights.

Kind of a catch-22 for him though.

I don't think the Leafs will hold a spot open for him.
If July 1st. rolls around without a contract they'll sign someone else.

I doubt he would have waived to play with McDavid.
Maybe with a couple moves Oilers could fit him in with Draisaitl, McDavid, Bouchard in their double digit core?

If Hawks can dump Jones, Oilers can dump Nurse.

Kind of makes some ironic sense, McDavid not "coming home", but marner "leaving home" to play with McDavid.

Leafs then claim collusion from the "4 Tournament."

 

[ULF_55]

Sign Mitch. 13.5 x 8. Trade Mathews and get some dogs on this team. Take Mitch and out him on the 60’s leafs and he’s Keon.

Mitch is the guy who gets the team going. He’s not physical but neither was Dave.

BINGO

Why he won't play center though ...

That train has left the station.

 

[notDatsyuk]

What? We're talking about Matthews going from 16% to 4%. Not the number of shots but the PERCENTAGE that go in. The pass has already been made. It's not like Marner and anyone else passing to Matthews is disappearing and Matthews is shooting from center ice. To even suggest that it's Marner fault that AFTER THE PASS Matthews is scoring 1/4 as much is bizarre especially if you watched the games.

You're right - I guess there's no difference between being set up for an open shot and having to fight through defenders to create your own chances.

Have you not noticed how differently Marner plays in the playoffs, and how differently this forces Matthews to play?

Since the 20-21 season, Nylander's shooting % has dropped from 13.8 in the regular season to 13.8 in the playoffs.

The difference is that JT doesn't disappear the way Marner does, and Nylander is better at creating his own chances than Matthews.

 

[thewave]

You're right - I guess there's no difference between being set up for an open shot and having to fight through defenders to create your own chances.

Have you not noticed how differently Marner plays in the playoffs, and how differently this forces Matthews to play?

Since the 20-21 season, Nylander's shooting % has dropped from 13.8 in the regular season to 13.8 in the playoffs.

The difference is that JT doesn't disappear the way Marner does, and Nylander is better at creating his own chances than Matthews.

Amazing how so many ignore this fact about Marners playoff performances. Yes. Matthews carries double the load in the POs on account of MM play.

 

[Gabriel426]

We're not taking about now. We are saying if the leafs wanted Marner gone, they should have offered Marner to the Avs when Rantanen was first available. Their odds of getting that deal done were higher, Marner probably at least thinks about waiving for the Avs since they have a history of winning and he just played with MacKinnon compared to waiving for Carolina

If that’s the case, it would had been a great trade for the Avs but not sure would MM entertain getting paid 11.75mil in Jan, though

 

[Gabriel426]

I disagree.

IMO he wants to exercise his free agency rights.

Kind of a catch-22 for him though.

I don't think the Leafs will hold a spot open for him.
If July 1st. rolls around without a contract they'll sign someone else.

I doubt he would have waived to play with McDavid.
Maybe with a couple moves Oilers could fit him in with Draisaitl, McDavid, Bouchard in their double digit core?

If Hawks can dump Jones, Oilers can dump Nurse.

Kind of makes some ironic sense, McDavid not "coming home", but marner "leaving home" to play with McDavid.

Leafs then claim collusion from the "4 Tournament."

MM is the last thing Oilers want. They would much rather have Boeser and Ehlers for around the same price as MM or any other 13mil player.

They got their big ticket players in Drai and McD, now they need to build their secondary players.

 

[francis246]

I disagree.

IMO he wants to exercise his free agency rights.

Kind of a catch-22 for him though.

I don't think the Leafs will hold a spot open for him.
If July 1st. rolls around without a contract they'll sign someone else.

I doubt he would have waived to play with McDavid.
Maybe with a couple moves Oilers could fit him in with Draisaitl, McDavid, Bouchard in their double digit core?

If Hawks can dump Jones, Oilers can dump Nurse.

Kind of makes some ironic sense, McDavid not "coming home", but marner "leaving home" to play with McDavid.

Leafs then claim collusion from the "4 Tournament."

I already believe collusion happened at the 4 nations. I think Marner is a goner. 4 nations solidified that for me, I think he can go play with any of these other guys in another market and be fine. He can go to Pittsburgh and play with Sid, EDM was prepared to go after Rantanen and sign him, so if that’s true Marner could end up in EDM on a short term deal. Marner and Marchand could team up and go join Bedard or Celebrini.

Anything is possible and I don’t think it would have been an automatic no. With the Colorado situation he wouldn’t have had to make that decision on the spot like he had to on trade deadline day. He’d have days/weeks to stew over it and I think eventually he probably would have accepted a trade to COL. I don’t even think COL would have even needed him to sign an extension.

 

[francis246]

MM is the last thing Oilers want. They would much rather have Boeser and Ehlers for around the same price as MM or any other 13mil player.

They got their big ticket players in Drai and McD, now they need to build their secondary players.

False. They were in on Rantanen annd willing to sign him to an extension and apparently they want a big three. Other GM’s believe in that model. I don’t think it’s a successful model but they have two superstars who produce at an elite level in the playoffs. So having that model might be the thing needed to put them over the top.

 

[666]

I've watched almost every game Marner's ever played.

Not a conscious decision on my part, but for quite some time now I have the game on but am doing other things, I take a look when a goal is scored and maybe watch the last few minutes if that game is close.

I haven't paid close attention lately,

Your own words man.

 

[francis246]

If that’s the case, it would had been a great trade for the Avs but not sure would MM entertain getting paid 11.75mil in Jan, though

Whether he signed the extension or not isn’t even the concern. I think he would have accepted a deal to go there and I think Colorado would have done that swap. They were over Rantanen and we were over Marner. Even if they got Marner for a cup run I think they still do it. But I believe Marner would have signed an extension there. Spending time with Mac and Toews at the 4 nations would have helped.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Your own words man.

Which apparently you're having trouble with. It's OK, man.

 

[666]

You're right - I guess there's no difference between being set up for an open shot and having to fight through defenders to create your own chances.

Have you not noticed how differently Marner plays in the playoffs, and how differently this forces Matthews to play?

Since the 20-21 season, Nylander's shooting % has dropped from 13.8 in the regular season to 13.8 in the playoffs.

The difference is that JT doesn't disappear the way Marner does, and Nylander is better at creating his own chances than Matthews.

You could have gone the honest way by suggesting the large number of posts being hit, the elite goaltending, the bad luck, the bad coaching or the most important one of all the poor power play but you went with blaming Marner. To even suggest that Matthews has to fight through defenders (but only in the important games) to create his own space and that JT is some kind of playoff superstar is one of the funniest posts I have EVER seen. Watch the games.

 

[666]

Which apparently you're having trouble with. It's OK, man.

No trouble here. I can post them again for you if you like.

 

[ULF_55]

Whether he signed the extension or not isn’t even the concern. I think he would have accepted a deal to go there and I think Colorado would have done that swap. They were over Rantanen and we were over Marner. Even if they got Marner for a cup run I think they still do it. But I believe Marner would have signed an extension there. Spending time with Mac and Toews at the 4 nations would have helped.

They traded Rantanen because they couldn't sign him.
I doubt they would have traded for another player they couldn't sign.

 

[Stephen]

AAV is irrelevant, % of cap is what’s important and it wouldn’t be expected to be on par with Draisaitl. I doubt he would even be used as a comparable.

Read the room man. When Leafs Nation is Jekyll and Hyde on whether Marner should be back at all, going hard in the paint on cap percentage chit chat is just so tone deaf. Salary demands don’t really require the last decimal place to be achieved. $12.5 million, $12.7 million. $13.1 million. $14.25 million. How about 100 points and don’t embarrass yourself in an elimination game in the playoffs?

 

[Gabriel426]

False. They were in on Rantanen annd willing to sign him to an extension and apparently they want a big three. Other GM’s believe in that model. I don’t think it’s a successful model but they have two superstars who produce at an elite level in the playoffs. So having that model might be the thing needed to put them over the top.

Maybe but doubt it. As I don’t really follow the Oilers so whatever I read about them, I just look at it as rumours/clickbaits

 

[Gabriel426]

Whether he signed the extension or not isn’t even the concern. I think he would have accepted a deal to go there and I think Colorado would have done that swap. They were over Rantanen and we were over Marner. Even if they got Marner for a cup run I think they still do it. But I believe Marner would have signed an extension there. Spending time with Mac and Toews at the 4 nations would have helped.

I don’t think Avs look at us though bc if they did, things would had leaked it like how Canes asked for MM.
Anyhow, it didn’t happened and wished it did