Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Sypher04]

You think Bouchard is resetting the defense market? Getting more than Makar? If I’m Bouchard I’m taking a bridge and lining myself up for UFA.

Resetting, no not really.
Makar however is underpaid.
He’s in the 4th year of his current deal at 9M and the cap is going way up.

I could see the argument for either bridging or going for the big long term deal tbh. Bridge, bet on self could be a good play, but if he likes it in Edmonton playing locking up ~75 ish million would potentially be really smart given he really doesn’t have a huge track record yet.

Looking at Edmonton’s blueline, he will have a ton of leverage.

I think it’s arguable the bridge could be more advantageous for the team than player.

 

[ClarkSittler]

I always was of the opinion this will go to at least July 1st. We won’t get the best deal by signing him early. I can see Dubas offering the moon but nobody else. I expect Mitch to be a Penguin next year. Hope Trump doesn’t draft him. lol!

Leafs need to explore a sign and trade so they can at least get something for him. He's going to want a Matthews like contract and someone like Dubas might actually give it to him.

 

[francis246]

Resetting, no not really.
Makar however is underpaid.
He’s in the 4th year of his current deal at 9M and the cap is going way up.

I could see the argument for either bridging or going for the big long term deal tbh. Bridge, bet on self could be a good play, but if he likes it in Edmonton playing locking up ~75 ish million would potentially be really smart given he really doesn’t have a huge track record yet.

I think it’s arguable the bridge could be more advantageous for the team than player.

Agreed, I think bridge is beneficial for both team and player. If player wants to bet on himself bridge is the way to go. Edmonton gets more money to work with and can make a splash whether that’s adding more depth pieces or a big add. It’s hard to know but yes Makar is underpaid. His next contract is gonna be a doozy. 14/15 mill.

 

[thewave]

Leafs need to explore a sign and trade so they can at least get something for him. He's going to want a Matthews like contract and someone like Dubas might actually give it to him.

Make no mistake. That's where he is going if not here.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I suggested a 1 or 2 year deal a while back and everyone thought I was mental.

The recently announced cap projections have opened our eyes. Matthews agent knew all along though...

 

[Gary Nylund]

It just blows my mind that people still want to back up the money truck for this guy. ~100 point player regular season, ~70 point player in the playoffs and after the first 4 games of the playoff once everyone settles into playoff style hockey, ~40 point player. Not only that, but with 6 points in 14 games for his last two playoff series he's currently trending down, and his prime years are pretty much gone so the decline is about to begin, if it hasn't already.

Hey that sounds great, let's see if we can talk him into letting us pay him another small fortune to stick around forever. He's one of the greatest Leafs ever, maybe we can build statues for him when he's done playing. Seriously! WTF guys, I just don't get it.

 

[ToneDog]

It just blows my mind that people still want to back up the money truck for this guy. ~100 point player regular season, ~70 point player in the playoffs and after the first 4 games of the playoff once everyone settles into playoff style hockey, ~40 point player. Not only that, but with 6 points in 14 games for his last two playoff series he's currently trending down, and his prime years are pretty much gone so the decline is about to begin, if it hasn't already.

Hey that sounds great, let's see if we can talk him into letting us pay him another small fortune to stick around forever. He's one of the greatest Leafs ever, maybe we can build statues for him when he's done playing. Seriously! WTF guys, I just don't get it.

The Leafs are not letting him walk for nothing. They will gladly overpay when push comes to shove. I'd rather give him the Nylander deal based on the new cap rather than the Matthews deal based on the new cap.

 

[thewave]

The Leafs are not letting him walk for nothing. They will gladly overpay when push comes to shove. I'd rather give him the Nylander deal based on the new cap rather than the Matthews deal based on the new cap.

If Dubas called and said Marner for EK. What would you do? Rielly and xxx for Gino

 

[ToneDog]

If Dubas called and said Marner for EK. What would you do? Rielly and xxx for Gino

Love to trade with a GM that gets body bagged in most trades.

 

[Sundinisagod]

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I wouldn't flinch to pay him in the 12-13 range. I think the number will land below Matthews' 13.25 million.

I don't see how his camp can make a case for 14. So somewhere between 13 and 14 is where I'd consider walking away. But there's lots I don't know with the cap increases coming up.

It's believed the Leafs are willing to go to 13m on a long term deal and that they want to keep him below Matthews 13.25m.

My belief is he would only take 13m on a short term deal ie 2 or 3 years, then take 16m x 8 which would take him to age 37 or 38.

If he gets offers of 14m x 7 on the open market, then his camp will have made a perfect case for 14m. They will leverage those offers into a 13m bridge deal. The increasing cap makes it quite likely he does see some crazy offers IMHO.

I think his demands are too much for our already heavily stacked core 4. We need a different mix and this is the opportunity to do it.

 

[IPS]

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It's believed the Leafs are willing to go to 13m on a long term deal and that they want to keep him below Matthews 13.25m.

My belief is he would only take 13m on a short term deal ie 2 or 3 years, then take 16m x 8 which would take him to age 37 or 38.

If he gets offers of 14m x 7 on the open market, then his camp will have made a perfect case for 14m. They will leverage those offers into a 13m bridge deal. The increasing cap makes it quite likely he does see some crazy offers IMHO.

I think his demands are too much for our already heavily stacked core 4. We need a different mix and this is the opportunity to do it.

Chris Johnston's line was very interesting of "he's not looking to be the highest paid player on the Leafs." Could be perfectly true, just on a 2 year deal.

 

[thewave]

Chris Johnston's line was very interesting of "he's not looking to be the highest paid player on the Leafs." Could be perfectly true, just on a 2 year deal.

We only have a 3 year window anyways with Rielly Tanev OEL cap for Stolarz and Woll, Knies etc. It doesn't really matter if they want to blow their brains out with 3 years more of JT and Marner. The only thing left will be Willy the new C of the Leafs

They made a ride or die scenario. The shocker will be 1x7m Tavares, Marner gone and McDavid in

 

[Divine]

There's really no set formula for how many star forwards you need to win a cup. Florida had 3 last year with Tkachuk, Barkov, Reinheart. Vegas won with 2 the year before. Avs had 4 with that monster season from Kadri. Tampa had 3. Teams don't generally dispose of a star player because they feel they have too many. In fact, they seem to go the other way, with Vegas adding Hertl and Tampa adding Guentzel.

I think we have different definitions of stars.