I really do think the signing situation is gonna end up better for everybody. Marner can take a 2-year deal that will lead him to the $110M+ cap at 29 years old (and this is very likely to change the entire landscape of how much money players are getting too, so there'll be lots to be had). So in 2 years time when we're eyeing the end of Matthews contract as well, we can really see we're at and what we wanna do.
Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again
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The next one would be the first, and I'm guessing that would be grounds for terminating a contract. There is also playoff bonus money.
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They just decided that with Auston's new deal and by giving him the C. I get the cap % argument, but I don't see the Leafs giving Marner more than Matthews only one year after elevating Matthews' platform to the highest it can go.
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All these years of good regular seasons followed by sub .500 hockey, no problem. Marner goes from a ~100 point player to a ~40 point player after 86 games, not only is that shrugged off but these guys get angry when it's even brought up.
Off the freaking charts weird does seem accurate, smh.
As long as there's a chance that McDavid will be available, make it a 1 year deal.
Lol What the hell...Consolation? That wasn't a consolation game. It was a crucial round-robin matchup that determined which team would advance to the championship final. Canada won...so they went to finals. If Finns Won, Fins go to finals.
And what does you watching matter? Please explain the importance of you watching or not lol. Let me get my popcorn.
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Reinhart is a really good accessory star player on the Florida Panthers and was largely a miss on Team Canada. I wouldn't say he's a standalone star player you can survive overpaying but more like a Hyman who can do some really nice things for you in a sidekick role provided he's behind a couple of guys like Barkov and Tkachuk who do a lot more for you. The goal Bennett scored in the gold medal game, that could have been Reinhart, kind of a dagger on the counter rush. But he didn't. He won't control a game for you.
That's a bit extreme. It seems backwards but it is for the most part factual across all sports. They get paid based on the regular season.
Maybe there should be more incentives and bonuses into contracts based on playoff success, both individual and team.
Johnny Gaudreau (RIP) is the quintessential prototypical example that playoff performance/style absolutely factors into contract negotiation, or at bare minimum there are indeed teams who very much factor it in.
Pretending that playoffs don't factor into contract negotiations at all is completely and utterly false.
If I don't watch it, it doesn't matter.
And for context again, his nothing assists were not the game winner in Game 1 or the setup of the game winner in the Final. Homeboy was irrelevant.
Thank you. Tell Antro... lol
I never said Reinhart could control a game. Marner doesnt control a game either. Mcdavid, Mackinnon, Crosby can. If you listen to the coaching staff. They made changes to the lines after the first USA matchup, because they thought the team was "playing too perimeter"... one of the changes was to drop Marner into bottom 6 and bring Point into top 6 (which aligns with what the coaches said, a plauer who crashes the net for a plauer known for playing perimeter). Marner was brought back into the top 6 because the coach thought "he had legs".
Mackinnon, Mcdavid, Crosby never moved around because they are complete players that can play in any environment. If you watched, it was evident, they were explosive offensively, but also physically involved battling behind the net and always standing in next to the goalie after shots.
Marner, like Reinhart has strengths and weaknesses.
Sure. That change didn't work. And the only time they found magic was with Mitch on Line 1 in Game 1 and Game 4.
But back to the point again - Mitch at 13-14.9%%%%% is:
Expected
Gonna happen
And fair market value.
It didn't work? You didn't watch the Finn game...how do you know?
Mcdavid had 1 g 1 a in the game without Marner on his line.
Mcdavid had a total of 1 point with Marner on his line the entire tourny.
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The thing is, Marner can control a game. The problem with him isn't necessarily top end ability to be a difference maker, it's the fact that he's gotten neutralized in big moments and his ability to step up has been called into question... but yeah, if you want to define him based on Mackinnon, McDavid, Crosby I don't think he's at their level.
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No it’s not. Gaudreau went on spitting chicklets and spoke about his UFA status.
He told teams he was signing in the east coast and he was only interested in teams that were drivable to New Jersey. So the NJ, CBJ, PHI, NYI and NYR. I don’t think he was gonna go to Buffalo. So he limited his pool of teams and he was fine with it. Him and Meredith just had their first child I believe? And he wanted to be as close to family as possible. He wanted to sign with the Flyers, the Flyers wanted him, but they couldn’t move a contract out to get him. Then a few players from CBJ called him and told him he’d love it there. It was never about money for him. It was always about location and family first. RIP to Johnny, let’s not spread false narratives.
If Johnny was open to signing anywhere he would have probably got 10+ on open market.
I already said, if i didnt watch it didnt matter.
And youre missing the point again... so I'll repeat...
The only time they found magic was with Mitch on Line 1 in Game 1 (overtime winner) and Game 4 (setup of OT winner).
What was Reinhart's magic moment again..?? Anyway - irrelevant..
My repeated point continued =
Mitch at 13-14.9%%%%% is:
Expected
Gonna happen
And fair market value.
Rest my friend. It's all good.
Yeah I've heard you say this story several times and it's still not very believable. Literally every player ever who's signed with another team via UFA has their own story of why they landed where they did. There is no conceivable way that Johnny Gaudreau and his camp compromised their leverage and cost themselves millions of dollars by just putting it out there where specifically they want to be. You don't get to be the authority on what is false narratives.
Calgary reportedly offered him 10.5 and he rejected it.
Even after turning down Flames' final offer, Gaudreau 'still thought about going back'
Johnny Gaudreau understands the emotions Calgary Flames fans are feeling after his decision to leave in free agency, especially those who see it as a betrayal.
So the narrative that @IPS is saying is wrong.
You really don't realize you're kind of insulting the entire intelligence of his camp by implying they significantly weakened their leverage by making it known they're shoehorning themselves into one specific region. Camps are pretty tight lipped with that kind of knowledge, being that it could literally cost them millions of dollars in negotiations.Calgary reportedly offered him 10.5 and he rejected it.
Even after turning down Flames' final offer, Gaudreau 'still thought about going back'
Johnny Gaudreau understands the emotions Calgary Flames fans are feeling after his decision to leave in free agency, especially those who see it as a betrayal.www.sportsnet.ca
So the narrative that @IPS is saying is wrong.
What reason does Gaudreau have to lie about that? There were rumours about Gaudreau wanting to be on the east coast a year prior to him even hitting UFA. I remember one time on CBC they asked him about it how hard it was that his family couldn’t come to games. He’s spoken pretty openly about this for a number of years. Post mortem we’ve also seen how close knit that family is.
He was open and honest about CBJ not being his prime destination. He wanted to go to Philly. They couldn’t move JVR or Ristolainen, so they didn’t have the cap to make a competitive offer.
How am I insulting the entire intelligence of his camp lmfao?
Why is it so hard to accept that a player potentially didn’t give a shit about making the most amount of money, but wanted to be close to he and his wife’s family? Not everything is about money for every player. Did you even read the article? His father had a heart attack in 2018 and that pretty much changed his perspective on everything. You guys are so conditioned to expect everyone to be money hungry and that isn’t the case at all.
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You really, really think that his camp made it any sort of common knowledge that Johnny was only willing to sign in the pacific northeast area?
No, they did not. Because it's 99.9% likely they're smarter than that. You keep that knowledge private because it's disastrous in cogitation if your intended target knows that you're options are limited to only them. Pretty simple stuff. He got what he got on the open market because it's what he could get, facts are facts - I'm sure there's many, many stories around the league with players signing with different teams via UFA and why they went there.
Yep. Gaudreau reportedly took less than offered market value to go where he wanted. That guy also loves pointing to his big fluke season for his narratives while ignoring the fact that he paced 69 points through the two seasons prior to that. You don't just get paid off your unsustainable peak, and that kind of fluctuation is a red flag for a signing team.Calgary reportedly offered him 10.5 and he rejected it.
Even after turning down Flames' final offer, Gaudreau 'still thought about going back'
Johnny Gaudreau understands the emotions Calgary Flames fans are feeling after his decision to leave in free agency, especially those who see it as a betrayal.
So the narrative that @IPS is saying is wrong.
I think in most cases you’re right, but with Gaudreau you couldn’t be more wrong.
"I’m incredibly grateful to be an NHL player, and to be making the salary that I make. I don’t take it for granted for a second. Which contributes to why money was not the main deciding factor for me. But the idea that Meredith and I can just fly to and from home, or have our loved ones visit no problem, because we have money? It’s not that simple." Gaudreau explained. "Our families still work full time. Our siblings have their own lives. Our nieces and nephews are in school. It’s a tough trip for folks to make, and it’s only gotten tougher with the pandemic. And it’s hard for us to get out East as well. It’s things like missing your grandfather’s funeral, or having very sick relatives, that make the distance so painful — and you remember that feeling when planning out your future for your family."
"I know stuff like this is what every player tells a fan base when they leave … but it’s like I said: My story isn’t the story of every player. Not every player was a five-six, 130-pound USHLer when one of the NHL’s most storied franchises took a chance on him."
Direct quotes from Gaudreau (RIP), the guy was going to the east coast. Again, I agree with you when it comes to most players. But with Gaudreau, it was pretty clear that the incident with his father’s health in 2018 was a huge driving force in his UFA decision. He turned down more money from Calgary and even acknowledged it in his quotes. He acknowledged he legitimately turned down a 8 year deal.
"...For what it’s worth, I didn’t know for sure what I wanted to do up until the last hours of the last day. Man, even after I turned down the eight-year deal from Calgary, I still thought about going back and trying to work on a seven-year deal to stay. It was all on the table for the entire process. Maybe that seems messy … but life is messy, you know?"
And the year before that - got 99 points - along with dealing with a horrible line mate situation in Calgary, oh and also dealing with the fossil of Daryl Sutter destroying calgary's offensive sytem.
For obsessing about context you'll conveniently ignore all of the context for this one though, pretty predictable.
