Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[TopCheeseShotta]

It's always been about cap hit percentage for every player. We just tend to notice it more in the upper range, and especially when there's big increases in the cap like this.

I'd love for Marner to give us a discount, but it's easy to say that as a fan from the outside. We're not the ones that would be throwing away millions of dollars. Realistically, most people want to be paid what they've earned like everybody else. They make a lot of money, but it's also a short, risky career, and it could be over in an instant.

Yup. And Mitch has done fine. Adding a 100 Mill contract to his local endorsement dollars this time around would be him doing just fine, too.

What's the % of 12.5 on a 95 cap anyway..? 13.2%..?? That's a completely reasonable haul for Mitch or any player of his calibre.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What's the % of 12.5 on a 95 cap anyway..?

That would be 13.09% this summer. Marner caliber players tend to get 14-16%.

 

[arso40]

That would be 13.09% this summer. Marner caliber players tend to get 14-16%.

Shut the front door bro just shut locc it up and dont open it what players are in this caliber you speak of? Hes not a tier one player our wingers are tier 2 at best

 

[mikeyz]

Lmfao I honestly admire how committed you are to playing this anti Marner role. The day he signs his extension is going to be the best day lol. I don’t know what you’re gonna do with yourself.

So if they lose in the 1st round again and he disappears in that series, then signing him to an extension will be “the best day” because a few posters in here will be mad?

 

[hullsy47]

So if they lose in the 1st round again and he disappears in that series, then signing him to an extension will be “the best day” because a few posters in here will be mad?

Im curious to hear the numbers on rantaanen contract
Might give us an idea what mighty mitch wants

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

That would be 13.09% this summer. Marner caliber players tend to get 14-16%.

Ok. Now you're just making stuff up, but you are close. Elite wingers (Panarin, Pastrnak, Rantanen and historically Ovechkin) - would all support the idea that top wingers like Mitch typically secure deals in the 13–15% range of the Salary Cap.

With the added capital of being able to be announced as the first 100 Million Dollar man, I am really hoping that this 12.5M x 8 (13.02% of the 95.5 Cap next year), is considered good enough for a hometown boy, who isn't tone deaf to the market noise around him.

The only recent issue now, is that they've already announced the cap projections into the 100s, going up DRAMATICALLY over the next 3 years. This gives Mitch's representation unprecedented visibility into the future cap, which definitely hurts my dream of keeping him at 12.5, as 13% of the 100s of millions projected is clearly above 13M per year.

Still - as I said above.. being a hometown boy and having been part of a core without demonstrated postseason success - I'll still be unrealistically?? hopeful he takes a bit of a shave on the 13-15%. Or at least, as I've reasonably suggested - ends up on the lower end of that range.

 

[ToneDog]

Sammy McKee and Bunkis discuss the Leafs not doing much to celebrate Marner last night, on the Leafs post game show (20:30) and share their thoughts on Marner (25:00 and 28:19). They discuss Ranta at 29:00.
JB is down on Ranta. Sammy defends him.

They take a shot at JT and Willie for not watching the end of the final which featured their 2 teammates.

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[francis246]

So if they lose in the 1st round again and he disappears in that series, then signing him to an extension will be “the best day” because a few posters in here will be mad?

If Marner has a great playoffs and they lose, I have no issues with resigning him.

And to answer your question, yes. Would love nothing more, it would be funny. Some of yall take this shit way too seriously. If the leafs are life or death for you so be it! However, as much as I love watching the leafs, I don’t NEED anything from the leafs to make my life complete. My life is not impacted in any significant way if they win or lose. Of course id love to see them win, but sports are sports, it’s not in our control as fans. Whether they sign Marner or not is irrelevant to me. I know myself I’ll still watch regardless until the day I don’t care to watch anymore. So him resigning or not resigning doesn’t bother me either way, I don’t care.

 

[hullsy47]

Sammy McKee and Bunkis discuss the Leafs not doing much to celebrate Marner last night, on the Leafs post game show (20:30) and share their thoughts on Marner (25:00 and 28:19). They discuss Ranta at 29:00.
JB is down on Ranta. Sammy defends him.

They take a shot at JT and Willie for not watching the end of the final which featured their 2 teammates.

Leafs Talk

Following every Toronto Maple Leafs game, JD Bunkis, Sam McKee and Justin Bourne will break down all the action! Airing live on YouTube & Sportsnet +!

www.sportsnet.ca

These guys are pidgeons
They have never broken any news
They just live in a hockey crazed market
Let them go work in carolina or san jose lol

 

[ToneDog]

"Marner caliber players tend to get 14-16%" is trolling at it's finest. That's $13.37-$15.2m for Marner.

These guys are pidgeons
They have never broken any news
They just live in a hockey crazed market
Let them go work in carolina or san jose lol

They are Leafs fans. Sammy is one of the biggest Leafs fans on radio. Many of his takes echo the sentiments of a many Leafs fans.

 

[ToneDog]

Im curious to hear the numbers on rantaanen contract
Might give us an idea what mighty mitch wants

Ranta was rumoured to be asking Draisaitl money. Sakic offered to make him the highest paid winger at $11.75m and decided trading him was the better option. After the trade, Ranta said he was willing to take a discount which I took as being taking less than MacKinnon ($12.6m).

No idea what he is asking now but unless he rediscovers his game in Carolina soon, he's not getting close to $14m anywhere, especially Carolina. They are paying Slavin $6+m. Now that is one of the best discounts a player has given.

 

[Smif]

What in the world? Tavares didn't even stay up for the OT, that's weird and kinda disappointing tbh.

 

[francis246]

What in the world? Tavares didn't even stay up for the OT, that's weird and kinda disappointing tbh.

Haha they are probably so regimented. I think Tavares is one of the most regimented leafs. How many kids does Tavares have? I’m sure he was exhausted. I think for a lot of these guys if you were hoping to be on the team and you don’t get picked your GAF meter was low.

Willy I’m not surprised hahaha

 

[Leaf Fans]

Haha they are probably so regimented. I think Tavares is one of the most regimented leafs. How many kids does Tavares have? I’m sure he was exhausted. I think for a lot of these guys if you were hoping to be on the team and you don’t get picked your GAF meter was low.

Willy I’m not surprised hahaha

He watched it in the morning.

 

[Maple Leaf]

After that nice ot pass, could sign him up, lock him up long term, no ntc, sign and trade, best move

 

[Gary Nylund]

If Marner has a great playoffs and they lose, I have no issues with resigning him.

And to answer your question, yes. Would love nothing more, it would be funny. Some of yall take this shit way too seriously. If the leafs are life or death for you so be it! However, as much as I love watching the leafs, I don’t NEED anything from the leafs to make my life complete. My life is not impacted in any significant way if they win or lose. Of course id love to see them win, but sports are sports, it’s not in our control as fans. Whether they sign Marner or not is irrelevant to me. I know myself I’ll still watch regardless until the day I don’t care to watch anymore. So him resigning or not resigning doesn’t bother me either way, I don’t care.

What if Marner has yet another poor playoff performance?

It's kind of weird to criticize people for taking "this shit way too seriously" considering most people don't come here and make thousand of posts the way you've done. It also seems weird that you seem to care more about people's reactions to a potential Marner signing then about whether the Leafs win or lose. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a bit ... weird.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Elite wingers (Panarin, Pastrnak, Rantanen and historically Ovechkin) - would all support the idea that top wingers like Mitch typically secure deals in the 13–15% range of the Salary Cap.

The only one of those four that was on Marner's level was Ovechkin, and he didn't sign a UFA contract in his prime. He did however sign the highest cap hit percentage ever on a post-ELC contract at almost 19%. Center/winger isn't as important of a distinction as some around here like to think. Top UFA wingers like Kane, Iginla, Hossa, and Heatley got 15+% on UFA contracts. So was Kovalchuk's UFA contract without the cap circumvention years added on. You even agree with 15%. Well that's 14.3m this summer. Even Panarin's contract would be 13.65m. Cap is going up. It's fine to be hopeful that he takes less, but we should recognise the difference of discount price vs. market and impact value within this cap environment.

 

[Smif]

The only one of those four that was on Marner's level was Ovechkin, and he didn't sign a UFA contract in his prime. He did however sign the highest cap hit percentage ever on a post-ELC contract at almost 19%. Center/winger isn't as important of a distinction as some around here like to think. Top UFA wingers like Kane, Iginla, Hossa, and Heatley got 15+% on UFA contracts. So was Kovalchuk's UFA contract without the cap circumvention years added on. You even agree with 15%. Well that's 14.3m this summer. Even Panarin's contract would be 13.65m. Cap is going up. It's fine to be hopeful that he takes less, but we should recognise the difference of discount price vs. market and impact value within this cap environment.

Oh wow, that's surprising! What was Pastrnaks and Nylander's % when they signed?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Oh wow, that's surprising! What was Pastrnaks and Nylander's % when they signed?

13.64% and 13.77%. That would be 13m+ this summer.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

13.64% and 13.77%. That would be 13m+ this summer.

Ya. And in the 13-14 range that I saidbwas likely. Same as what I'm hoping for Mitch.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Ya. And in the 13-14 range that I saidbwas likely. Same as what I'm hoping for Mitch.

Marner is worth more than Pastrnak and Nylander were though. So taking the same as them would be a discount.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Marner is worth more than Pastrnak and Nylander were though. So taking the same as them would be a discount.

I know you're encouraging us all to be realistic. But north of 13% is. South, maybe not so much, unless he was truly hometown discounting.