Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Leaf Fans]

Not important? All games are important if your wearing a C.

Sure, but some are more important than others. If a player has an injury they can sit out the game that least affects their teams overall situation.

 

[Racer88]

To complete the picture:

Marner 1G 0A -2 0.33 ppg
Matthews 0G 1A 0 0.5 ppg
Nylander 0G 2A +1 0.67 ppg

However. Am going to give Marner props for his 1 goal as it won the game…….goals and when they happen are important

 

[ToneDog]

However. Am going to give Marner props for his 1 goal as it won the game…….goals and when they happen are important

How ironic. The playmaker who is goal scoring challenged has 1 goal in a skills competition and no assists in 3 games while our two goal scores have none. When was the last time Mitch went 3 games in a row without an assist?

Answer Nov 24-28 2023.

 

[Racer88]

How ironic. The playmaker who is goal scoring challenged has 1 goal in a skills competition and no assists in 3 games while our two goal scores have none. When was the last time Mitch went 3 games in a row without an assist?

I know eh. Ya couldn’t write this stuff. Lol

 

[BraveCanadian]

Addition by subtraction, as long as his dollars were wisely spent……..

When have they ever done that? UFA players are almost always an overpay.

 

[Antropovsky]

How ironic. The playmaker who is goal scoring challenged has 1 goal in a skills competition and no assists in 3 games while our two goal scores have none. When was the last time Mitch went 3 games in a row without an assist?

Answer Nov 24-28 2023.

Are we surprised that the only point he has was 3v3?

I'm just glad Cooper admitted to the world that Marner overall really isn't that skilled.

“ He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

I don't care that Cooper said that Marners "one" elite skill is how he thinks the game... Paul Marner and Mitch cannot be happy with Coopers public evaluation of his game.

Note that Cooper didn't just say he has a weak shot, is slow and small...but he also expanded and said that Marner doesnt do a whole bunch of anything that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm shocked Cooper said it publically.

 

[HolyCrap]

Would Cooper actually scratch Marner tomorrow?

The second best player on the team? Come on now.

 

[killer1980]

I think we all know Marner’s a bit of a twerp but for the sake of your peace of mind don’t get fixated on his weird little isms and oddball stuff. He’s kind of immature for his age and status and is going to culture clash with guys who are more mission oriented.

Only thing that ever matters is what happens on the ice anyway.

The problem is what happens on the ice is the same in the 4 nations as it is in the playoffs... Houdini. If people don't yet understand why the Leafs aren't a Stanley Cup contender after watching our 3 pretty boys embarass themselves this past week then they never will. It'll all depend on MLSE putting in a a management that cares more about winning than coddling a bunch of overrated, overpaid, whining losers.

 

[Stephen]

The problem is what happens on the ice is the same in the 4 nations as it is in the playoffs... Houdini. If people don't yet understand why the Leafs aren't a Stanley Cup contender after watching our 3 pretty boys embarass themselves this past week then they never will. It'll all depend on MLSE putting in a a management that cares more about winning than coddling a bunch of overrated, overpaid, whining losers.

From the outside looking yeah Marner looks a little clueless at times and you can chalk that up to some kind of lack maturity and awareness that could be connected to being an unserious playoff player. But we know that about him already. Not new information. Leave him be and let the on ice stuff do the talking.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Are we surprised that the only point he has was 3v3?

I'm just glad Cooper admitted to the world that Marner overall really isn't that skilled.

“ He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

I don't care that Cooper said that Marners "one" elite skill is how he thinks the game... Paul Marner and Mitch cannot be happy with Coopers public evaluation of his game.

Note that Cooper didn't just say he has a weak shot, is slow and small...but he also expanded and said that Marner doesnt do a whole bunch of anything that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm shocked Cooper said it publically.

You intentionally skipped a bit to further your agenda.Yes, Cooper said this :
When you are that size, you have to be unique at something,” Cooper said. “You have to be better than everyone else at something. If you really watch that game, the plays he made in tight, the plays he made in traffic… He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him. But it is really hard to sit here and say, ‘Was there a better player?’

“He puts himself at that elite level with the way he thinks the game and processes the game at such a high level and at such a high rate of speed. That is why he is the player he is. I have watched him close up. I have coached against him in a playoff series. I have watched what he can do. There are not too many guys who can excel as a power play player, a penalty killer, a 5-on-5 guy, and at 3-on-3. Mitch can do it all.”

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm not at all surprised that Cooper said it publicly. Still there are a couple of posters that just try and manipulate what Cooper said to further their own agenda.

 

[killer1980]

From the outside looking yeah Marner looks a little clueless at times and you can chalk that up to some kind of lack maturity and awareness that could be connected to being an unserious playoff player. But we know that about him already. Not new information. Leave him be and let the on ice stuff do the talking.

It has, both during this tourney and the playoffs. If you're a fan of the regular season, he'll give you lots to cheer about. If you're a fan of the Stanley Cup, you'll be outa luck.

 

[Ports]

You've been speaking with his agent?

No. I’m using logic. Why would he waive his NMC now ? Go ahead convince me.

That’s a lame excuse, my father was everything opposite of what a good father should be, yet somehow I turned out okay, the “everyone has a excuse” mentality is what’s killing society today. Back when I worked on every mirror in every washroom was a decal that stated “you’re looking at who is most responsible for your safety.” Accountability has gone AWOL in todays world imo………

Well good for you. Did I say that I excused his attitude? There’s a difference between a reason and an excuse.

 

[francis246]

You intentionally skipped a bit to further your agenda.Yes, Cooper said this :
When you are that size, you have to be unique at something,” Cooper said. “You have to be better than everyone else at something. If you really watch that game, the plays he made in tight, the plays he made in traffic… He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him. But it is really hard to sit here and say, ‘Was there a better player?’

“He puts himself at that elite level with the way he thinks the game and processes the game at such a high level and at such a high rate of speed. That is why he is the player he is. I have watched him close up. I have coached against him in a playoff series. I have watched what he can do. There are not too many guys who can excel as a power play player, a penalty killer, a 5-on-5 guy, and at 3-on-3. Mitch can do it all.”

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm not at all surprised that Cooper said it publicly. Still there are a couple of posters that just try and manipulate what Cooper said to further their own agenda.

Your last paragraph hits the nail on the head and he does it every time. I completely understand not believing in Marner as a player. But how anyone can logically support his posts is mind boggling to me. Continually manipulates quotes to fit a narrative.

Today just for fun I threw a bunch of his post into various AI systems to see what response it would give. Let’s just say it wasn’t pretty. Every AI system picked apart and tore up almost every claim he made and that was just on recent posts. One AI system even asked if that poster “has had a personal interaction with Marner that has created a sense of bias”, I bursted out laughing.

Again, Marner has his warts, maybe it’s worth thinking about how to reallocate his dollars. But the last week or so, there’s been so much personal shots at him and not even critiquing his play, it’s overshadowing potential good discussions.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Your last paragraph hits the nail on the head and he does it every time. I completely understand not believing in Marner as a player. But how anyone can logically support his posts is mind boggling to me. Continually manipulates quotes to fit a narrative.

Today just for fun I threw a bunch of his post into various AI systems to see what response it would give. Let’s just say it wasn’t pretty.

Again, Marner has his warts, maybe it’s worth thinking about how to reallocate his dollars. But the last week or so, there’s been so much personal shots at him and not even critiquing his play, it’s overshadowing potential good discussions.

For sure, he might be right about Marner (doubtful) but the spin he put on is like the opposite of what Cooper said.
What did the AI say. I am actually interested.
Whatever the team in the player do is out of our hands, so why are we going to worry about it. I just watch hockey!

 

[francis246]

For sure, he might be right about Marner (doubtful) but the spin he put on is like the opposite of what Cooper said.
What did the AI say. I am actually interested.
Whatever the team in the player do is out of our hands, so why are we going to worry about it. I just what hockey!

I plugged in the post that you quoted;

“Tell me about this post, what are your opinions on it;

Are we surprised that the only point he has was 3v3?

I'm just glad Cooper admitted to the world that Marner overall really isn't that skilled.

“ He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

I don't care that Cooper said that Marners "one" elite skill is how he thinks the game... Paul Marner and Mitch cannot be happy with Coopers public evaluation of his game.

Note that Cooper didn't just say he has a weak shot, is slow and small...but he also expanded and said that Marner doesnt do a whole bunch of anything that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm shocked Cooper said it publically.”

This is the response I got from AI;

This post is clearly biased against Marner and takes Cooper’s comments out of context to push a specific narrative.

Issues with the Post:
1. Misrepresenting Cooper’s Words – The quote from Jon Cooper wasn’t a negative assessment of Marner’s skill but rather an acknowledgment that he isn’t the fastest or strongest in traditional ways. However, Cooper also emphasized that Marner’s elite ability is his hockey IQ—his ability to think the game at a high level, which is just as important as physical traits. The post conveniently ignores that part.
2. Selective Interpretation – Saying Marner “really isn’t that skilled” is misleading. Marner has been a top point producer for years, a first-team All-Star, and one of the NHL’s premier playmakers. The idea that he has only “one elite skill” (hockey IQ) disregards his elite passing, vision, and defensive play.
3. Emotional Projection – The assumption that Marner and his father would be unhappy with Cooper’s comments is speculation, not fact. Marner likely understands that his game is built on intelligence and playmaking rather than raw speed or power.
4. Overreaction to 3v3 Point – The fact that Marner’s point came in 3-on-3 overtime is irrelevant. Scoring in any situation still requires skill, and 3-on-3 play often highlights players with strong skating, passing, and hockey sense—traits Marner is known for.

Opinion on the Post:

It reads like an attempt to twist Cooper’s words into a personal attack on Marner rather than an objective assessment. While it’s fair to critique a player’s weaknesses, this post downplays Marner’s strengths and exaggerates Cooper’s comments to fit a pre-existing anti-Marner stance.

 

[GoonieFace]

This has officially hit rock bottom, asking AI’s opinion.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I plugged in the post that you quoted;

“Tell me about this post, what are your opinions on it;

Are we surprised that the only point he has was 3v3?

I'm just glad Cooper admitted to the world that Marner overall really isn't that skilled.

“ He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

I don't care that Cooper said that Marners "one" elite skill is how he thinks the game... Paul Marner and Mitch cannot be happy with Coopers public evaluation of his game.

Note that Cooper didn't just say he has a weak shot, is slow and small...but he also expanded and said that Marner doesnt do a whole bunch of anything that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm shocked Cooper said it publically.”

This is the response I got from AI;

Great! Thank you.

 

[Leaf Fans]

This has officially hit rock bottom, asking AI’s opinion.

To be fair. I asked him to do that out of my personal interest of what AI might come up with. He was kind enough to comply.

 

[arso40]

You intentionally skipped a bit to further your agenda.Yes, Cooper said this :
When you are that size, you have to be unique at something,” Cooper said. “You have to be better than everyone else at something. If you really watch that game, the plays he made in tight, the plays he made in traffic… He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him. But it is really hard to sit here and say, ‘Was there a better player?’

“He puts himself at that elite level with the way he thinks the game and processes the game at such a high level and at such a high rate of speed. That is why he is the player he is. I have watched him close up. I have coached against him in a playoff series. I have watched what he can do. There are not too many guys who can excel as a power play player, a penalty killer, a 5-on-5 guy, and at 3-on-3. Mitch can do it all.”

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm not at all surprised that Cooper said it publicly. Still there are a couple of posters that just try and manipulate what Cooper said to further their own agenda.

He’s a smart player without a dog in him and physically challenged that’s his problem if he dedicated himself to hoccey like Willy has he would be one of the best players in the league but if Willy played solid defence he’d also be one of the best two players in the league unfortunately they are who they are

 

[francis246]

This has officially hit rock bottom, asking AI’s opinion.

I don’t use it to formulate posts.

I was genuinely curious if I was being harsh in my assessment that his posts have just been way off base and not factual. I think if you post something over and over, push certain narratives eventually it’s going to be fact checked.

Either way AI only confirmed what I’ve felt all along, even if he turns out to be right in the end about Marner not being a good fit or moving on from Marner leads to better play from Matthews,, his posts are extremely emotionally charged towards Marner and it invalidates a lot of his claims.

 

[thewave]

I don’t use it to formulate posts.

I was genuinely curious if I was being harsh in my assessment that his posts have just been way off base and not factual. I think if you post something over and over, push certain narratives eventually it’s going to be fact checked.

Either way AI only confirmed what I’ve felt all along, even if he turns out to be right in the end about Marner not being a good fit or moving on from Marner leads to better play from Matthews,, his posts are extremely emotionally charged towards Marner and it invalidates a lot of his claims.

We need to let AI build the team in Toronto. The 1000 employees don't get anything right. May as well let the hive mind AI give it a shot

 

[francis246]

We need to let AI build the team in Toronto. The 1000 employees don't get anything right. May as well let the hive mind AI give it a shot

At this point the franchise has nothing to lose, anything is better than whatever’s been going on since ‘67

 

[Antropovsky]

I don’t use it to formulate posts.

I was genuinely curious if I was being harsh in my assessment that his posts have just been way off base and not factual. I think if you post something over and over, push certain narratives eventually it’s going to be fact checked.

Either way AI only confirmed what I’ve felt all along, even if he turns out to be right in the end about Marner not being a good fit or moving on from Marner leads to better play from Matthews,, his posts are extremely emotionally charged towards Marner and it invalidates a lot of his claims.

You can twist AI to anything you want if you ask the right questions:

AI summary regarding Coopers quote:l

"Cooper goes beyond just saying Marner isn’t the fastest or doesn’t have the hardest shot. He extends it further by suggesting that there are a lot of things other players do better than Marner. This does imply that, outside of his elite hockey IQ and processing speed, Marner may not be exceptional in many traditional individual skills."

 

[francis246]

You can twist AI to anything you want if you ask the right questions:

Heres ai summary:

From AI regarding Coopers quote:
Cooper goes beyond just saying Marner isn’t the fastest or doesn’t have the hardest shot. He extends it further by suggesting that there are a lot of things other players do better than Marner. This does imply that, outside of his elite hockey IQ and processing speed, Marner may not be exceptional in many traditional individual skills.

Unlike you I actually posted the question I asked AI and did not manipulate it. I don’t need to manipulate it or ask it guiding questions.

I believe in doing things with integrity

 

[Leaf Fans]

You can twist AI to anything you want if you ask the right questions:

From AI regarding Coopers quote:

"Cooper goes beyond just saying Marner isn’t the fastest or doesn’t have the hardest shot. He extends it further by suggesting that there are a lot of things other players do better than Marner. This does imply that, outside of his elite hockey IQ and processing speed, Marner may not be exceptional in many traditional individual skills."

Yeah, that is not twisted. That is essentially what Cooper said though he used the words: "He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him." It is still not complete without the rest of the quote, but your presentation was far more agenda serving than the ai that has just paraphrased part of the quote.