Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Smif]

Interesting turn of events eh?

3.5 hrs later. What would we do without you

 

[thewave]

I'll also add that Cooper and Co IMO overestimated his coaching abilities by putting Marner on line 1 (despite his documented struggles in the playoffs) and underestimated how much of a distraction Marner could become if the experiment didn't work out. If Marner was on line 3 or 4 in a checking and PK1 role , which he's a very good defensive player...then I think he'd also being getting less attention. Putting him with Mcdavid was a weird move...in addition to the mismatch in Mcdavid being the fastest player on the team and Marner being one of the slowest.

I think Cooper did us a solid by doing this. We now have some legit video in top competition of what his range of ability is. It's no nonsense real play at the highest level.

Watch Mitch without the puck the last games. It's obvious why he was demoted.

 

[Smif]

I'll also add that Cooper and Co IMO overestimated his coaching abilities by putting Marner on line 1 (despite his documented struggles in the playoffs) and underestimated how much of a distraction Marner could become if the experiment didn't work out. If Marner was on line 3 or 4 in a checking and PK1 role , which he's a very good defensive player...then I think he'd also being getting less attention. Putting him with Mcdavid was a weird move...in addition to the mismatch in Mcdavid being the fastest player on the team and Marner being one of the slowest.

The distraction comment I think is dumb. Everything else I can't argue tbh. That might be a first.

 

[thewave]

11th forward tonight, only Konecny had less TOI

I am just waiting for the high ankle sprain excuse again.

 

[Canadian Finn]

personal opinions aside, it's great watching marner play with the league's best.

puts things in perspective.

 

[Aashir]

he's been about what I expected

he wasn't gonna provide scoring for the team, that's not his game
he wasn't really gonna provide offence as there are more options who are better
he has been relatively solid defensively, which was a big reason he is here

it sucks that i am saying this about 5th highest scoring player in the NHL and 3rd highest scoring winger.

 

[PromisedLand]

looks like luke is to blame b/c clearly marner can do no wrong right...

 

[Gary Nylund]

I hope Marner plays great on Thursday and helps us win this thing.

 

[arso40]

he's been about what I expected

he wasn't gonna provide scoring for the team, that's not his game
he wasn't really gonna provide offence as there are more options who are better
he has been relatively solid defensively, which was a big reason he is here

it sucks that i am saying this about 5th highest scoring player in the NHL and 3rd highest scoring winger.

Then he shouldn’t be a top line winger for the leafs he should be lower in the line up and away from matthews hopefully chief and tre see that

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner second lowest ice time of the forwards today. Past Konecny with his last 6 on 5 shift.

Didn't know the game was early today. But... must say I'm shocked with his ice time! Especially after being told that Cooper Is smart and loves him.

 

[Apex Predator]

The questions is what’s better Marner at 13-14 million or 2-3 players at that combined price range? I know people are going to say you don’t know how the team will use that money but the team has not been successful in 9 years. If they use the money wrong and the team is still not successful what’s the difference?

 

[Antropovsky]

(suppresses knowing grin, makes mental note to himself..)..

Did you surpress that same knowing grin when you saw these posts immediately beneath your post ? Lol

Marner second lowest ice time of the forwards today. Past Konecny with his last 6 on 5 shift.

Interesting turn of events eh?

 

[likecheese]

The questions is what’s better Marner at 13-14 million or 2-3 players at that combined price range? I know people are going to say you don’t know how the team will use that money but the team has not been successful in 9 years. If they use the money wrong and the team is still not successful what’s the difference?

It's not just the 13-14, it's the 8 years they're going to be asking for, that could be a problem down the line. What kind of world are we going to leave for our children?

 

[ULF_55]

11th forward tonight, only Konecny had less TOI

He was on the PK, and helped kill it off.

 

[Apex Predator]

It's not just the 13-14, it's the 8 years they're going to be asking for, that could be a problem down the line. What kind of world are we going to leave for our children?

 

[Antropovsky]

He was on the PK, and helped kill it off.

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Least amount of minutes on the entire roster at even stength.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I didn't say you were obsessed with him? leave me out of this man

ENOUGH. NO MORE. STOP IT. ALL OF YOU.

No one gives a f***.

The next person to go personal gets banned from the thread. And more.

 

[Smif]

The Marner PR crew has a vivid imagination. A promotion Luke? Really?

Might want to read that again...

 

[ToneDog]

Might want to read that again...

OOPs my bad. I usually like what Luke has to say. Promised's comment put shambles in my brain.

Looks like luke is to blame b/c clearly marner can do no wrong right...

 

[ULF_55]

Nothing wrong with being a 3rd. liner on this team.

He's lining up behind the best Canadian forwards.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I think Cooper did us a solid by doing this. We now have some legit video in top competition of what his range of ability is. It's no nonsense real play at the highest level.

Watch Mitch without the puck the last games. It's obvious why he was demoted.

That's the beauty of being the coach of a player who doesn't answer to the owners, doesn't need to play nice, whisper sweet nothings in the ears of media or the fanbase. Coaching a nation means one thing: do whatever you believe is right in order to win.

When down 4-3, he has Crosby, McKinnon and Toews on the ice. Veteran winners who have risen to the occasion time and again.

Crosby sacrifices the body and gets the EN. Which Leaf would have taken that hit that takes the wind out of you in order to stop the bleeding?

 

[leafs in five]

That's the beauty of being the coach of a player who doesn't answer to the owners, doesn't need to play nice, whisper sweet nothings in the ears of media or the fanbase.

Cooper has buttered him up to the media repeatedly though

 

[Kiwi]

Marner is an extremely good player, he has his weaknesses but if I was defending a lead he'd be the guy I was throwing over the boards every second shift

This tournament is helping to clarify things though, I'm finding it hard to justify 13-14M a year

In fact I'm thinking Nylander % of the cap and if he doesn't like it he can walk

This could be costly if he struggles during the playoffs again

 

[therealkoho]

Marners value as an asset right now is zilch. Our collective asset pool is Cowan, Minten, and some stuff. We're keeping Knies.

In each of the last eight years is there any year that we wouldn't have made the playoffs if we swapped out Marner for a half priced UFA? We couldn't have done worse in the playoffs.

If the team busts this year and Marner doesn't work for a ninth time, running it back is a losers game and would only bolster the losing culture further.

We can't be as scared as Shanny already looks.

Zilch, really? This isnt something I say a lot if ever, but, ever watched hockey?

 

[francis246]

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The distraction comment I think is dumb. Everything else I can't argue tbh. That might be a first.

Came here to post this. He’s totally out to lunch in terms of it being a distraction. I don’t think anyone on the team or anyone watching honestly gives a f*** where Marner plays. We just want Canada to win (if you’re Canadian)

But I do agree Marner should have just started in checking role.