Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[vpasla1]

Nothing wrong with being a 3rd. liner on this team.

He's lining up behind the best Canadian forwards.

And I hope he gets paid accordingly. Behind the salaries of the best Canadian forwards.

On a general note, he says he wants to stay here.
He could sign a $9.5m x 8 tomorrow and I would image most people would be okay with it.
He wants to be paid like the best, but when push comes to shove, hes not in the same tier as them.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Cooper has buttered him up to the media repeatedly though

Of course, he would LOVE to have him re-signed in Toronto. Similar to Marchand talking about how good Marner is, anything to get the Leafs to overpay. lol.

These guys are winners, they are always playing 3D chess.

 

[ToneDog]

And I hope he gets paid accordingly. Behind the salaries of the best Canadian forwards.

On a general note, he says he wants to stay here.
He could sign a $9.5m x 8 tomorrow and I would image most people would be okay with it.
He wants to be paid like the best, but when push comes to shove, hes not in the same tier as them.

Rumour is he's turned down Leafs ceiling of $13m. And he wonders why some of the fanbase can't stand him.

 

[leafs in five]

Of course, he would LOVE to have him re-signed in Toronto. Similar to Marchand talking about how good Marner is, anything to get the Leafs to overpay. lol.

These guys are winners, they are always playing 3D chess.

lol come on

 

[IPS]

You know, not many guys get the privilege of playing beside McDavid. Marner really did not make the best of it at all. Like go to the f***ing net or something, he refused to change anything about his game to try and mesh better with McDavid. Brayden Point gets on the McDavid line and he scores almost instantly.

 

[IPS]

I'll also add that Cooper and Co IMO overestimated his coaching abilities by putting Marner on line 1 (despite his documented struggles in the playoffs) and underestimated how much of a distraction Marner could become if the experiment didn't work out. If Marner was on line 3 or 4 in a checking and PK1 role , which he's a very good defensive player...then I think he'd also being getting less attention. Putting him with Mcdavid was a weird move...in addition to the mismatch in Mcdavid being the fastest player on the team and Marner being one of the slowest.

Yeah there were some of us saying even after period 1 against Sweden that Marner's game just does not mesh with McDavid at all. Negative chemistry really.

I really wonder if Cooper tried his damndest to make it work to drive Marner's value up for the Leafs.

 

[Leafsfan74]

lol come on

Ok, the primary reason is that they are polite and they like his vision on the ice and nice passes.

Neither of them would want him on their team taking up so much cap space I guarantee it.

 

[PromisedLand]

You know, not many guys get the privilege of playing beside McDavid. Marner really did not make the best of it at all. Like go to the f***ing net or something, he refused to change anything about his game to try and mesh better with McDavid. Brayden Point gets on the McDavid line and he scores almost instantly.

The goal Point scored you know what he was doing? he was freakin' going to the net!!!

 

[Mess]

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Came here to post this. He’s totally out to lunch in terms of it being a distraction. I don’t think anyone on the team or anyone watching honestly gives a f*** where Marner plays. We just want Canada to win (if you’re Canadian)

But I do agree Marner should have just started in checking role.

I've always wondered what Marner would look like when not attached to the hip of an elite #1C.

Now I know as it never happens when he is on the Leafs.

Maybe Berube will deploy a similar strategy and will set up a Domi -- Kampf -- Marner checking 3rd line in order to bump our goal scorers higher up the line-up.

 

[Antropovsky]

Yeah there were some of us saying even after period 1 against Sweden that Marner's game just does not mesh with McDavid at all. Negative chemistry really.

I really wonder if Cooper tried his damndest to make it work to drive Marner's value up for the Leafs.

Yea, sometimes I wonder with Cooper...he definitely seems like a guy trying to play chess when everyone is playing checkers. He is always very careful of what he says. For example, the coaching staff took part in a game as part of a broadcast and the game was ...if you had to pick one player to score in a shootout from Team Canada, who'd you choose. The coaching staff all made their picks (Crosby mainly)...but Cooper... he instead had to be clever and wrote #99 down and said that he wouldn't reveal his pick (or something to that affect).

It is very weird that he put Marner with McDavid. I get Marner inclusion as a PK expert...but I don't get him as #1, #2 liner winger on Team Canada. Especially with his history of not coming up big in the playoffs.

I think what would've been a smart move, is taking the heat off Marner by putting him on 4th line and top PK. Maybe he surprises and comes up big 5v5, maybe he doesn't.

Maybe promoting hockey is becoming like social media and pop culture? Any attention is good attention.

Put Marner on the 1st line with Mcdavid and you have a guarantee storyline... could be a good, could be a bad one... but it will get press.

 

[sunstersun]

Marner has to be solo driving his line. He's a lot more effective with the puck on his stick.

I don't like his "offball" play. It's no good with him and Matthews, just like McDavid and Marner looked AWFUL

 

[thewave]

He was on the PK, and helped kill it off.

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And not a word of a lie. He did ok on that PK.

Rumour is he's turned down Leafs ceiling of $13m. And he wonders why some of the fanbase can't stand him.

He didn't show us 10.5m in this tournament

Marner has to be solo driving his line. He's a lot more effective with the puck on his stick.

I don't like his "offball" play. It's no good with him and Matthews, just like McDavid and Marner looked AWFUL

He is billing himself as a 13+ player and just isn't. It's really simple stuff. Smarter fans see that and are scared to get anchored again.

Marner has to be solo driving his line. He's a lot more effective with the puck on his stick.

I don't like his "offball" play. It's no good with him and Matthews, just like McDavid and Marner looked AWFUL

He is billing himself as a 13+ player and just isn't. It's really simple stuff. Smarter fans see that and are scared to get anchored again.

 

[sunstersun]

And not a word of a lie. He did ok on that PK.


He didn't show us 10.5m in this tournament

I'm watching the top team Canada players, and the gap between them and Marner is an ocean.

Yet the pay will not be. I swear to god, if the Leafs sign Marner for 13mil + I'm not watching another game till one of the core 3 is gone.

 

[hamzarocks]

Marner is an extremely good player, he has his weaknesses but if I was defending a lead he'd be the guy I was throwing over the boards every second shift

This tournament is helping to clarify things though, I'm finding it hard to justify 13-14M a year

In fact I'm thinking Nylander % of the cap and if he doesn't like it he can walk

This could be costly if he struggles during the playoffs again

The funny thing is Nylander hasnt shown to be worth what AAV % he got since signing. Only 55 pts in 55 games this yesr.

Ppg play should not get that high AAV %.

Nylander got underpaid over his last 5 years of previous deal while Marner got overpaid.

If Marner wants to show hes serious he needs to come in at 10.5M-11.5M at max

10.5M /95.5 = ~11%

11.5M /95.5 = ~12 %

He should come in between 11-12% of 95.5M 2025-2026 projected cap.

Nylander got 2% too much at 11.5M /88M (2025 cap) = ~13%

 

[sunstersun]

The funny thing is Nylander hasnt shown to be worth what AAV % he got since signing. Only 55 pts in 55 games this yesr.

Ppg play should not get that high AAV %.

Nylander got underpaid over his last 5 years of previous deal while Marner got overpaid.

If Marner wants to show hes serious he needs to come in at 10.5M-11.5M at max.

Nylander's point total is almost entirely on his teammates failing to finish anything.

The goal totals tell me he's fine.

I'd be a lot more worried if the assist numbers were the same, but the goals dropped off a cliff.

 

[Leafidelity]

Of course, he would LOVE to have him re-signed in Toronto. Similar to Marchand talking about how good Marner is, anything to get the Leafs to overpay. lol.

These guys are winners, they are always playing 3D chess.

 

[hamzarocks]

Nylander's point total is almost entirely on his teammates failing to finish anything.

The goal totals tell me he's fine.

I'd be a lot more worried if the assist numbers were the same, but the goals dropped off a cliff.

WOnt derail this thread but for me that excuse wont ever ne justifable for a 11.5M AAV player putting ppg

It wasnt good enough when tavares at 11M was a 75-80 pt player and it isnt for nylander either.

Marner needs to be at low cap% then Nylander is my takeaway.

Marner at nylanders cap % is 12.48M which is too much

 

[JL17]

The funny thing is Nylander hasnt shown to be worth what AAV % he got since signing. Only 55 pts in 55 games this yesr.

Ppg play should not get that high AAV %.

Nylander got underpaid over his last 5 years of previous deal while Marner got overpaid.

If Marner wants to show hes serious he needs to come in at 10.5M-11.5M at max

10.5M /95.5 = ~11%

11.5M /95.5 = ~12 %

He should come in between 11-12% of 95.5M 2025-2026 projected cap.

Nylander got 2% too much at 11.5M /88M (2025 cap) = ~13%

Problem here is you paid at guy 11 mil a year who wasn’t a ppg and still isn’t and Nylander got paired up with him last year and was a boat anchor for Nylander.

 

[thewave]

I'm watching the top team Canada players, and the gap between them and Marner is an ocean.

Yet the pay will not be. I swear to god, if the Leafs sign Marner for 13mil + I'm not watching another game till one of the core 3 is gone.

I imagine most hard-core hockey fans will be similar, but for what it is...

If he is on a 13m contract next year I won't be very interested in the regular season for sure. The organization is telling you with 7 for JT and 13 for MM all you need to know. It's not about winning. Why take it serious? Fans are fans because they believe and have faith that the team wants to win. The signal there is not good faith on ownerships part.

At that point I don't know, maybe I can do something different. Maybe just be a connoisseur and check out random teams and poke around the league play more.

 

[Kiwi]

The funny thing is Nylander hasnt shown to be worth what AAV % he got since signing. Only 55 pts in 55 games this yesr.

Ppg play should not get that high AAV %.

Nylander got underpaid over his last 5 years of previous deal while Marner got overpaid.

If Marner wants to show hes serious he needs to come in at 10.5M-11.5M at max

10.5M /95.5 = ~11%

11.5M /95.5 = ~12 %

He should come in between 11-12% of 95.5M 2025-2026 projected cap.

Nylander got 2% too much at 11.5M /88M (2025 cap) = ~13%

He's currently the second highest goal scorer this season

 

[thewave]

Nylander's point total is almost entirely on his teammates failing to finish anything.

The goal totals tell me he's fine.

I'd be a lot more worried if the assist numbers were the same, but the goals dropped off a cliff.

Certainly a lot less worried about the 2nd in the league goal scorer that the coach moves around the lineup and weirdly pets like a dog and then goes back and pats on the shoulder.

I know it's nothing but made laugh. If I had to overpay one, it's the top 5 goal scorer

 

[IPS]

Yea, sometimes I wonder with Cooper...he definitely seems like a guy trying to play chess when everyone is playing checkers. He is always very careful of what he says. For example, the coaching staff took part in a game as part of a broadcast and the game was ...if you had to pick one player to score in a shootout from Team Canada, who'd you choose. The coaching staff all made their picks (Crosby mainly)...but Cooper... he instead had to be clever and wrote #99 down and said that he wouldn't reveal his pick (or something to that affect).

It is very weird that he put Marner with McDavid. I get Marner inclusion as a PK expert...but I don't get him as #1, #2 liner winger on Team Canada. Especially with his history of not coming up big in the playoffs.

I think what would've been a smart move, is taking the heat off Marner by putting him on 4th line and top PK. Maybe he surprises and comes up big 5v5, maybe he doesn't.

Maybe promoting hockey is becoming like social media and pop culture? Any attention is good attention.

Put Marner on the 1st line with Mcdavid and you have a guarantee storyline... could be a good, could be a bad one... but it will get press.

Yeah funny how people are getting labelled a hater for pointing those things out too.

I was watching that Sweden game with 5 other people who are all fans of other teams and they all agreed to Marner looked bad with McDavid.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I imagine most hard-core hockey fans will be similar, but for what it is...

If he is on a 13m contract next year I won't be very interested in the regular season for sure. The organization is telling you with 7 for JT and 13 for MM all you need to know. It's not about winning. Why take it serious? Fans are fans because they believe and have faith that the team wants to win. The signal there is not good faith on ownerships part.

At that point I don't know, maybe I can do something different. Maybe just be a connoisseur and check out random teams and poke around the league play more.

Trust me, winning has always been secondary to profits.

The Maple Leafs are ridiculed mercilessly around the world. They know you will still line up to buy the latest Marner jersey.

 

[notbias]

Certainly a lot less worried about the 2nd in the league goal scorer that the coach moves around the lineup and weirdly pets like a dog and then goes back and pats on the shoulder.

I know it's nothing but made laugh. If I had to overpay one, it's the top 5 goal scorer

Confirmed, you'd rather overpay Draisaitl than McDavid, interesting.

Assuming you had no issue with Matthews making more than McDavid since goals are all that matters, correct?

Yeah funny how people are getting labelled a hater for pointing those things out too.

I was watching that Sweden game with 5 other people who are all fans of other teams and they all agreed to Marner looked bad with McDavid.

Reinhart was worse than Marner, but I guess people watch different things.

McDavid and Marner are also likely going to be bad together, they do the same thing.

I think Marner could replace Stone on that line but Reinhart looked lost, Point is what is helping them now, not moving Marner off that line.

 

[IPS]

Reinhart was worse than Marner, but I guess people watch different things.

McDavid and Marner are also likely going to be bad together, they do the same thing.

I think Marner could replace Stone on that line but Reinhart looked lost, Point is what is helping them now, not moving Marner off that line.

I guess yeah. Reinhart's not really the best 3rd wheel piece for the line either. On a positive note yeah, there's certainly other places Marner can thrive and contribute in the lineup.