Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[francis246]

He will be run out of town. Just watch. After they get crushed by Florida and he is a non factor media/fans will make his decision for him. Off to the cottage for the summer in Muskoka and a new 7 year deal somewhere else.

Run out of town? I think Marner would just decide he's leaving anyways and that's gonna be way worse optically for the leafs. The leafs have put themselves in a shitty situation.

 

[francis246]

Let me ask you this: why does Marner deserve a higher cap % than Pasta? Pasta actually has 3 straight 100 point seasons. What has Marner accomplished?

he might not deserve more but I think people need to stop comparing out dated contracts. This is how sports has always worked, especially in the cap era. Pastrnak's contract which was signed 2 years ago is not relevant now. It's not. With an escalating cap, contracts grow each year. Marner probably doesn't DESERVE more than Pasta, but because of the landscape of professional sports and how expiring stars always get paid, he will get paid more than Pasta. He's still a superstar with UFA status as leverage, he's getting his $ whether people like it or not... whether thats with the Leafs or another NHL club is TBD.

 

[Mess]

He will be run out of town. Just watch. After they get crushed by Florida and he is a non factor media/fans will make his decision for him. Off to the cottage for the summer in Muskoka and a new 7 year deal somewhere else.

He was already attempted to be shipped out of town.

Our GM Treliving had a trade in place willing to send Marner to Carolina for big powerforward Mikko Rantanen.

Marner used his NMC [no trade clause] to block the GM's desired move.

Will Mitch Marner's blocked trade have lingering effect on Maple Leafs?​

Leafs wanted to move on from Marner, and now forced against those wishes to continue on. Time and Marner's play in the playoffs now will write the conclusion to this situation.

PS. Rantanen just re-signed with Dallas now the team that did acquire him successfully in trade and his deal is $12 mil X 8 years.

 

[Antropovsky]

He had 2 hits and zero giveaways.

Good news is Marner fans don't miss a second of any game so they saw the giveaways. Right?

 

[notbias]

11 million for past 6 years and may not hit 100 points through the entire contract despite playing primarily 5v5 with Matthews and if not with Tavares. And on a #1 PP WITH Nylander, Tavares, Matthews... Jesus. Give the man 14 million!

You must absolutely HATE that Nylander contract...

 

[mclaren55]

he might not deserve more but I think people need to stop comparing out dated contracts. This is how sports has always worked, especially in the cap era. Pastrnak's contract which was signed 2 years ago is not relevant now. It's not. With an escalating cap, contracts grow each year. Marner probably doesn't DESERVE more than Pasta, but because of the landscape of professional sports and how expiring stars always get paid, he will get paid more than Pasta. He's still a superstar with UFA status as leverage, he's getting his $ whether people like it or not... whether thats with the Leafs or another NHL club is TBD.

He said "cap %" which is still relevant. His question has nothing to do with "out dated". In actual $ Marner may get more than Pasta, but that wasn't his question. Is Marner worth more than 13.5% of the cap, given Pasta signed at that cap hit %?

 

[ACC1224]

He said "cap %" which is still relevant. His question has nothing to do with "out dated". In actual $ Marner may get more than Pasta, but that wasn't his question. Is Marner worth more than 13% of the cap, given Pasta signed at that cap hit %?

For reference what was Nylanders %?

 

[mclaren55]

For reference what was Nylanders %?

.5% less than Pasta, 13%.

 

[ACC1224]

Same as Pasta, 13%.

He deserves more than Nylander, so.....

If anything it shows that Pasta is underpaid. Bruins are known for getting good deals from their stars.

 

[notbias]

Let me ask you this: why does Marner deserve a higher cap % than Pasta? Pasta actually has 3 straight 100 point seasons. What has Marner accomplished?

Pastrnak had no 100 point seasons at the time of signing.

Marner has a better case for more money than Pastrnak based on his track record prior to signing.

 

[mclaren55]

He deserves more than Nylander, so.....

If anything it shows that Pasta is underpaid. Bruins are known for getting good deals from their stars.

Sorry, had to correct my posts. Apparently Pasta was 13.5% at signing, while Nylander was 13%.

 

[ACC1224]

Sorry, had to correct my posts. Apparently Pasta was 13.5% at signing, while Nylander was 13%.

Somewhere between the two seems fair.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Good news is Marner fans don't miss a second of any game so they saw the giveaways. Right?

I have no idea. As you define Marner fans as "The ones who keep saying others who are critical of Marner or not fans of Marners game (one Leaf player) aren't "leaf fans".", and I don't know any of those. However, I do know that officially Marner did not have any giveaways but I checked. Certainly, watching the game, Marner did not complete every pass nor did he win every puck battle - no player did.

 

[Antropovsky]

You must absolutely HATE that Nylander contract...

7 Million for 6 years, two 40+ goal seasons and a 87 and 98 point season... while rarely playing with Matthews? What's not to love?

Pushing 50 goals this year on the first year of an 11.6 million contract while only playing 70% of the time with Tavares and hardly at all with Knies/Matthews/Marner.

 

[Blanka]

He will be run out of town. Just watch. After they get crushed by Florida and he is a non factor media/fans will make his decision for him. Off to the cottage for the summer in Muskoka and a new 7 year deal somewhere else.

That sounds like a sound plan for both parties tbh. That will allow us to spread that $14.5m around. Saaaaaay two decent players who can contribute on the score sheet at all times and not just during the regular season. And who knows...they might actually break the 100pt barrier between the two of them.

 

[Antropovsky]

I have no idea. As you define Marner fans as "The ones who keep saying others who are critical of Marner or not fans of Marners game (one Leaf player) aren't "leaf fans".", and I don't know any of those. However, I do know that officially Marner did not have any giveaways but I checked. Certainly, watching the game, Marner did not complete every pass nor did he win every puck battle - no player did.

Well if you've been around long enough you'd have learned that Giveaways and Takeaways and hits are unreliably tracked stats.

Yesterday, he took a shot from the blueline on the 6-5 which was easily blocked and taken the other way briefly...until one of the Panthers fell right when the pass went his way.

Shortly later he recovered the puck in the Leaf zone and blindly made a pass to nobody.

Read the gdt numerous posters alluded to the plays in real time.

 

[Blanka]

Pastrnak had no 100 point seasons at the time of signing.

Marner has a better case for more money than Pastrnak based on his track record prior to signing.

And no 100pt seasons to speak of though; for the sake of argument.

 

[IPS]

However, I do know that officially Marner did not have any giveaways but I checked. Certainly, watching the game, Marner did not complete every pass nor did he win every puck battle - no player did.

The gaslighting is unreal

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well if you've been around long enough you'd have learned that Giveaways and Takeaways and hits are unreliable stats.

Yesterday, he took a shot from the blueline on the 6-5 which was easily blocked and taken the other way briefly...until one of the Panthers fell right when the pass went his way.

Shortly later he recovered the puck in the Leaf zone and blindly made a pass to nobody.

Read the gdt numerous posters alluded to the plays in real time.

Yes, they are not as reliable as they ought to be, but more reliable than - trust me bro. Yes, there was that blocked shot a poor pass too.

 

[notbias]

7 Million for 6 years, two 40+ goal seasons and a 87 and 98 point season... while rarely playing with Matthews? What's not to love?

Pushing 50 goals this year on the first year of an 11.6 million contract while only playing 70% of the time with Tavares and hardly at all with Knies/Matthews/Marner.

What do past contracts have to do with future contracts?

Also, what does performance during the contract have to do with anything?

All you do is contradict yourself.

 

[Leaf Fans]

The gaslighting is unreal

Sorry, what gaslighting? The official scoring is public. It is opposite of gaslighting the official scoring is 3rd party and neither of us can make changes to it.

 

[Blanka]

Run out of town? I think Marner would just decide he's leaving anyways and that's gonna be way worse optically for the leafs. The leafs have put themselves in a shitty situation.

How does a perennial underachiever leaving the club hurt the Leafs? You're freeing up anywhere from $13.5m - $14.5m against the cap to spend on other players who may not be at the same level individually, but perhaps two players on two different lines could actually provide the balanced offensive lift that we need. Who knows, they might even bring some physicality as well.

Besides, I've only ever heard GM's say that, in the cap era, teams place these factors in this order: 1. Cap space, 2. draft picks and 3. free agent signings.

 

[The Shadow]

Run out of town? I think Marner would just decide he's leaving anyways and that's gonna be way worse optically for the leafs. The leafs have put themselves in a shitty situation.

What I am saying is that there won’t even be a choice. No player would want to return to what most likely will happen.

 

[Blanka]

He won't be run out of town. He might willfully leave, but the front office has made it clear they'd much prefer he stay.

This thread is wild. He's been our MVP this season, he was instrumental in two GWG at the Four Nations (including the tournament winner), he's 5th in the league in points, close to another career year, and carried us through some times when everyone else was hurt... and people think he's worth less than Tyler Seguin.

I don't think he's worth less than Tyler Seguin. I just don't think he's the right fit for this club when it matters. Everything you've cited is moot against his track record ON THIS CLUB when it matters.

I'd say wanting to keep coming back with this guy year after year and hoping for better results is even wilder.

 

[kevsh]

Berube has them forechecking much harder playing dump and chase which is exactly what’s required in the playoffs.

True, except when they don't.

Often this season they've fallen back to their old ways, even recently. For example, the first period vs. Columbus. They got away with it that night because they had a lead, recovered for the 2nd & 3rd periods and Columbus isn't very good.

They won't have that margin of error in the playoffs. If they stick to the Berube style *and* can actually score when the checking gets tight (typically more so as the series goes on), they'd have a chance to do some damage.

I just don't think they have it in them, at least not sufficiently to win any series against a team that forces them to be focused, disciplined and structured every night.