Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Sundinisagod]

Oh, is Rantanen with the Leafs now? I missed that.

No, Treliving tipped his hand that they would consider moving on from an unsigned Marner for a signed Rantenan but with the full NMC he is giving that away with the possibility of souring things and ending up with nothing.

This isn’t super complicated. It was not a smart move.

You got things backwards. Souring relationships is the Marner camp specialty.

 

[Legion34]

Okay, then what are you honestly complaining about then?

The poster is repeatedly saying that
1.) Marner is similar to Drai and should be paid as such (but probably less because Drai took 15.9% of the cap)
2.) this is NOT true because he is comparing Drai taking 14 and claiming it is based on an 88.5 cap and Marner would be taking less because it was a 95.5 cap in the same year.

both contracts start next year

3.) that he claims that Marner is better and should be paid more than pasta and rantanen and similar to Matthews/drai.

4.) that Marner was held back because he had to play with JVR and bozak when “pretty much everyone else” got to play with better players as rookies in the NHL

 

[francis246]

The poster is repeatedly saying that
1.) Marner is similar to Drai and should be paid as such (but probably less because Drai took 15.9% of the cap)
2.) this is NOT true because he is comparing Drai taking 14 and claiming it is based on an 88.5 cap and Marner would be taking less because it was a 95.5 cap in the same year.

both contracts start next year

3.) that he claims that Marner is better and should be paid more than pasta and rantanen and similar to Matthews/drai.

4.) that Marner was held back because he had to play with JVR and bozak when “pretty much everyone else” got to play with better players as rookies in the NHL

The only player held back in the first couple seasons was maybe Willy.

Matthews scored 40 in his first season and paced for more than 40 in the two subsequent seasons. He wasn’t held back at all by Hyman, Brown or Willy. Auston was held back because he couldn’t stay healthy and then was afraid of contact for 2 years.

Both Auston and Mitch were placed in the best position to succeed. Man I’m having flash backs to Willy and Auston in the PP scoring cross ice one timers.. what a freaking time that was.

 

[arso40]

The only player held back in the first couple seasons was maybe Willy.

Matthews scored 40 in his first season and paced for more than 40 in the two subsequent seasons. He wasn’t held back at all by Hyman, Brown or Willy. Auston was held back because he couldn’t stay healthy and then was afraid of contact for 2 years.

I wouldn’t say Willy was held bacc he just didn’t put it together as fast as the other two

 

[Leaf Fans]

Can Carolina take him right now?

Sure, but he wouldn't be eligible for the playoffs.

 

[francis246]

I wouldn’t say Willy was held bacc he just didn’t put it together as fast as the other two

There you go, all I’m saying is the argument that’s been between Dekes and Legion is so dumb. They are both wrong. Neither player was held back. They both had a lot of opportunities early in their careers

 

[Lightsol]

The worlds biggest wuss, that's who. If he leaves, that sends the message that he doesn't think he has any chance of winning here so he just gives up, says "no mas", and goes down as the biggest wuss in team history, maybe even the biggest wuss in NHL history.

OR, another quick reminder: More evidence of why we tend not to sign Toronto-born players as often as, say, Montreal signs Quebec-born ones... Because the fans and the media turn on Toronto-born players MUCH faster than anyone else. Seriously, you're going to drive Marner and Tavares out of town and then try to convince Sam Bennett it would be great for his career to sign here? Or McDavid in a year? Why, so the fans and the media can rip them apart too?

I suspect if the Leafs let Marner go after the circus that has been the last couple of years with this fanbase and this media, it'll be years before they can sign UFA's without massive overpayments. It certainly wouldn't be the first time UFA's actively avoided this team due to factors other than the team...

 

[keonsbitterness]

I find it hard to believe Drai's agent (or any agent) didn't have solid intel last summer and fall about what the 25-26 cap would be. It's part of their job to know.

 

[francis246]

A big question is how much does Marner care about his legacy? Unless the team breaks through this spring (a megahugemassive if obviously), if he leaves now after 9 years, he'll always be known in his home town, the capital of the hockey world, as the guy who was assistant captain of a team that will be remembered as the biggest playoff failures in team history, and one of the biggest (if not the biggest) playoff failures in NHL history.

Or he could stay, and if he helps turn things around and go on even one deep playoff run, most fans will forget all the playoff losses, and he will compile enough points to own multiple all-time Leaf records and of course take his place on legends row.

If he believes there's even a small chance that this team can go deep, then staying is the obvious choice, because the upside is just so humungous, he still has a chance to make all his childhood dreams come true. Take a ton of money, plus millions in endorsements that he won't get anywhere else, and have a chance to be a hero in capital of the hockey world forever, also not possible anywhere else. And if he does have success, those endorsement dollars will keep rolling in as long as he lives, most likely that means tens millions more in his pocket so leaving would be an incredibly stupid move financially speaking. So why would he leave? Who would leave and leave that possible upside on the table?

The worlds biggest wuss, that's who. If he leaves, that sends the message that he doesn't think he has any chance of winning here so he just gives up, says "no mas", and goes down as the biggest wuss in team history, maybe even the biggest wuss in NHL history.

Was Tavares a wuss for leaving the island and signing with us? What about Chara leaving Ottawa and signing with Boston? Or hossa leaving PIT to sign in DET, then eventually Chicago and winning? Or was Jack Eichel a wuss for demanding a trade? Or how about Matthew Tkachuk? You gotta keep it consistent.

 

[arso40]

Was Tavares a wuss for leaving the island and signing with us? What about Chara leaving Ottawa and signing with Boston? Or hossa leaving PIT to sign in DET, then eventually Chicago and winning? Or was Jack Eichel a wuss for demanding a trade? Or how about Matthew Tkachuk? You gotta keep it consistent.

Fair point but marner is born and raised here it’s kinda different but he was given the opportunity to control his destiny for us that’s not good but he got it though

 

[francis246]

Fair point but marner is born and raised here it’s kinda different but he was given the opportunity to control his destiny for us that’s not good but he got it though

Marner hasn’t asked for a trade, all he’s doing is just exploring his options as a UFA, which is a CBA right. The leafs have benefitted from that when Tavares, Tanev, OEL and Bunting came here and even Marleau. So yeah it sucks he’s electing to potentially do the same but we have been the beneficiaries of the same exact process.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Oh, is Rantanen with the Leafs now? I missed that.

No, Treliving tipped his hand that they would consider moving on from an unsigned Marner for a signed Rantenan but with the full NMC he is giving that away with the possibility of souring things and ending up with nothing.

This isn’t super complicated. It was not a smart move.

So according to your version of events (I've heard several others) he let Marner know that he was willing to trade him for a better player making $12M. I.e., showed that he thinks Marner is worth less than $12M.

I would say that was a very smart move.

 

[Divine]

An offseason stretches from when a team's season ends to when the next one begins. That's why it's called an offseason. You can't equate signings in two different offseasons using different information.

Why do the Leafs own Marner’s rights until July 1st if it’s the offseason and his contract is effectively over?