Dion TheFluff
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Value of: Mitch Marner this offseason (2.5 mil retained)
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Canadienna
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That’s the idea. If it’s done on those terms, the Sharks could assess how he’d like being a long term option here or get real future value renting him out to a playoff team. I might consider some prospects but it’d have to be someone without much belief anymore like Coe or Laroque because they’re still from the previous management’s stock.
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Blackhawkswincup
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To 
RW Mitch Marner (1 x $10.903M)
To
LW Lukas Reichel (RFA)
D Connor Murphy (2 x $4.4M)
Hawks 2025 1st (Top 10 protected, becomes Hawks 2026 1st if Hawks draft in top 10)
- Hawks take risk that Marner is willing to sign, if he isn't they flip him midseason
- Leafs get young winger (21 yrs old), A defender who fits need (RD) and a future 1st
Marner and Murphy would have to waive (Murphy would be fool to not given his career has been spent on losing teams)
In end Hawks look to add talent to NHL roster to try and improve going forward while Leafs get reset opening up cap room to potentially extend Bertuzzi and shakeup core
RW Mitch Marner (1 x $10.903M)
To
LW Lukas Reichel (RFA)
D Connor Murphy (2 x $4.4M)
Hawks 2025 1st (Top 10 protected, becomes Hawks 2026 1st if Hawks draft in top 10)
- Hawks take risk that Marner is willing to sign, if he isn't they flip him midseason
- Leafs get young winger (21 yrs old), A defender who fits need (RD) and a future 1st
Marner and Murphy would have to waive (Murphy would be fool to not given his career has been spent on losing teams)
In end Hawks look to add talent to NHL roster to try and improve going forward while Leafs get reset opening up cap room to potentially extend Bertuzzi and shakeup core
Leafsfanperson
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Let's trade Mitch for a late first and a busted prospect or two then will have cap space.
...... when if ever in the cap era has MLSE sign a UFA that worked out ever? From Kubina to Bertuzzi they're all garbage or at best meh. This is what you want Leafs Nation?
Toronto tries to capitalize on this Mitch hate and get him to a somewhat reasonable number instead of him and father gouging the team like he did last contract.
Have fun posting trade proposals and have other fanbases just bash you for suggesting Marner has any value at all. I mean Panarin can suck in the playoffs and no one bats an eye to his contract. You want to make a Panarin for Saad deal? Get some perspective.
...... when if ever in the cap era has MLSE sign a UFA that worked out ever? From Kubina to Bertuzzi they're all garbage or at best meh. This is what you want Leafs Nation?
Toronto tries to capitalize on this Mitch hate and get him to a somewhat reasonable number instead of him and father gouging the team like he did last contract.
Have fun posting trade proposals and have other fanbases just bash you for suggesting Marner has any value at all. I mean Panarin can suck in the playoffs and no one bats an eye to his contract. You want to make a Panarin for Saad deal? Get some perspective.
Ok give us Sid.
dirtydanglez
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matthews is the face of the franchise and there is nothing you can do with tavares. marner is the obvious sacrificial goat.
sorokin would address a huge need for the leafs. sorkin+ for marner ($8.5m) + woll
Dion TheFluff
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I'd be fine with a return like thatTo
RW Mitch Marner (1 x $10.903M)
To
LW Lukas Reichel (RFA)
D Connor Murphy (2 x $4.4M)
Hawks 2025 1st (Top 10 protected, becomes Hawks 2026 1st if Hawks draft in top 10)
- Hawks take risk that Marner is willing to sign, if he isn't they flip him midseason
- Leafs get young winger (21 yrs old), A defender who fits need (RD) and a future 1st
Marner and Murphy would have to waive (Murphy would be fool to not given his career has been spent on losing teams)
In end Hawks look to add talent to NHL roster to try and improve going forward while Leafs get reset opening up cap room to potentially extend Bertuzzi and shakeup core
Leafsfanperson
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Dreaming of what? So Pettersson is a playoff performer now? He's lead a team there what twice and once in a gimmick season of fake division?
If the standard is be great in the playoffs what is to said about other teams 'superstars' that either can't make the playoffs or the there once every three or four years and get annihilated each time?
Most NHL markets are just ignored so you never see the warts on their inconsistent stars too.
Conn Smyth favorite Pettersson... the bs gets a bit thick here at times.
Fatass
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Really depends on whether his new club believes they can extend him. But if Marner would waive for Detroit (for example) then he could return a lot if Leafs retain that much.
It might be better for Marner to play down south.
That’s ridiculous. Marner’s caphit makes him negative value. Any team trading for Marner will have to overpay him on his next contract. The 11+M is better spent elsewhere than in a soft winger who craps the bed post season.
At 8M aav on his next deal, he would have value. That is the only way he returns value.
CallMeShaft
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As a Hawks fan, only reason I'd want Marner is to trade him at the deadline for assets. Of course he'd still have total control of where he went, so the return then wouldn't amount to anything unless he was open to a handful of teams.
So I'd maybe be so generous as to give a 2nd round pick for him (and take his entire cap hit), in hopes of turning him into a late 1st and B prospect. Maybe that's not enough for Toronto, but that's just what I would feel comfortable enough to part with.
So I'd maybe be so generous as to give a 2nd round pick for him (and take his entire cap hit), in hopes of turning him into a late 1st and B prospect. Maybe that's not enough for Toronto, but that's just what I would feel comfortable enough to part with.
hamzarocks
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Hes the best player on the habs in 20 years
His cap hit will fit for any team looking to seriously contend with 2 better players
Kessel made 8M retained down to 6.8M in 2016 at a 70M cap (9.7%)
Marner will extend on a 92M cap as a better player. He will get 10-11M on a non-leaf team which he will be worth.
Negative contracts are gallagher, Anderson etc, not a 90+ winger
TheNumber4
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It’s wild how much pure and seething hate there is for Marner and Tavares right now. Being a pajama boy ain’t what it’s cracked up to be.
I think it’s time for a trade, it’s in the best interests of both the Leafs and Marner at this point. But with only a year remaining and reputation as a soft choke artist I don’t think the return will be high.
I think it’s time for a trade, it’s in the best interests of both the Leafs and Marner at this point. But with only a year remaining and reputation as a soft choke artist I don’t think the return will be high.
When you are paid 11M, you are expected to be not only a 90+ point player, you are also expected to lead your team in the playoffs.
The book on Marner is written. He's a regular season superstar and a playoff dud. No team that commits 11+M to a player will accept that.
To make matters more complicated, he has 1 year remaining on his contract and a NMC. That will minimize the number of teams that could even take him on and further reduce his already negative value.
hamzarocks
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This thread has [email protected] retained for a year so 8.5M and if a team is trad8ng for a 90 pt winger they expect he can be a long term core piece and woll pay what they believe is FMV
NMC is being assumed to be flexible this thread. If its not, than no Marner trade, we either do 1 more year of this shitty group and then let him walk, or somehow they pull it out of their ass and he gets signed
Leafs wont deal [email protected] for Tristian Jarry + Rielly Smith like that oens fans suggested
So the deal is effectively Marner as a rental at 8.5M? Who would take on Marner as a rental? Teams that are competing for he cup would not have any interest. You can't get past Marner's NMC. Its a huge stumbling block.
iggy
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Looks like Marner led the team in playoff scoring last year. I think many people here are really over dramatic about this. I would take Marner on the Islanders all day long.
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| Regular Season | Playoffs | Vitals | |||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| # | Player Name | Pos. | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | +/- | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | Birthplace | Age |
| 16 | Mitch Marner | R | 80 | 30 | 69 | 99 | 28 | 18 | 11 | 3 | 11 | 14 | 2 | ONT: Markham | 25 |
| 44 | Morgan Rielly | D | 65 | 4 | 37 | 41 | 21 | -9 | 11 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 6 | BC: Vancouver | 28 |
| 34 | Auston Matthews | C | 74 | 40 | 45 | 85 | 20 | 31 | 11 | 5 | 6 | 11 | 7 | CA: San Ramon | 24 |
| 88 | William Nylander | R | 82 | 40 | 47 | 87 | 28 | 10 | 11 | 4 | 6 | 10 | 2 | ALTA: Calgary | 26 |
| 90 | Ryan O'Reilly 4 | C | 13 | 4 | 7 | 11 | 6 | 3 | 11 | 3 | 6 | 9 | 5 | ONT: Clinton | 31 |
| 91 | John Tavares | C | 80 | 36 | 44 | 80 | 34 | -7 | 11 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 4 | ONT: Mississauga | 31 |
| 23 | Matthew Knies | L | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 4 | AZ: Phoenix | 19 |
| 28 | Sam Lafferty 5 | C | 19 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 9 | -1 | 9 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | PA: Hollidaysburg | 27 |
| 78 | T.J. Brodie | D | 58 | 2 | 12 | 14 | 14 | 10 | 11 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 12 | ONT: Chatham | 32 |
| 64 | David Kampf | C | 82 | 7 | 20 | 27 | 8 | 6 | 11 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 4 | Czech Rep.: Chomutov | 27 |
| 19 | Calle Jarnkrok | C | 73 | 20 | 19 | 39 | 14 | 9 | 11 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | Sweden: Gavle | 30 |
| 22 | Jake McCabe 5 | D | 21 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 29 | 12 | 11 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 10 | WI: Eau Claire | 28 |
| 52 | Noel Acciari 4 | C | 23 | 4 | 1 | 5 | 11 | 2 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | RI: Johnston | 30 |
| 55 | Mark Giordano | D | 78 | 4 | 20 | 24 | 53 | 27 | 11 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | ONT: Toronto | 38 |
| 15 | Alex Kerfoot | C | 82 | 10 | 22 | 32 | 30 | 8 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 4 | BC: Vancouver | 28 |
| 58 | Michael Bunting | L | 82 | 23 | 26 | 49 | 103 | 21 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 15 | ONT: Scarborough | 26 |
| 2 | Luke Schenn 11 | D | 15 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 13 | -1 | 11 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 11 | SASK: Saskatoon | 32 |
| 56 | Erik Gustafsson 7 | D | 9 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Sweden: Nynashamn | 30 |
| 12 | Zachary Aston-Reese | C | 77 | 10 | 4 | 14 | 25 | -6 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | NY: Staten Island | 28 |
| 3 | Justin Holl | D | 80 | 2 | 16 | 18 | 39 | 15 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 11 | MN: Tonka Bay | 30 |
| 30 | Matt Murray | G | 26 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Thunder Bay | 28 |
| 50 | Erik Kallgren | G | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Stockholm | 25 |
| 60 | Joseph Woll | G | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | MO: Dardenne Prairie | 24 |
| 96 | Nicolas Aube-Kubel 2 | R | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ALTA: Slave Lake | 26 |
| 46 | Alex Steeves | C | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MN: Saint Paul | 22 |
| 82 | Filip Kral | D | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Czech Rep.: Blansko | 22 |
| 40 | Jett Alexander | G | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Bloomfield | 22 |
| 85 | Semyon Der-Arguchintsev | C | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Russia: Moscow | 21 |
| 74 | Bobby McMann | C | 10 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | -2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ALTA: Wainwright | 26 |
| 8 | Jake Muzzin | D | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Woodstock | 33 |
| 43 | Kyle Clifford | L | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Ayr | 31 |
| 20 | Dryden Hunt 10 | L | 9 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 9 | -2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | BC: Cranbrook | 26 |
| 53 | Radim Zohorna 9 | L | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Czech Rep.: Havlickuv | 26 |
| 35 | Ilya Samsonov | G | 42 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Russia: Magnitogorsk | 25 |
| 24 | Wayne Simmonds | R | 18 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 49 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Scarborough | 34 |
| 98 | Victor Mete | D | 11 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Woodbridge | 24 |
| 81 | Mac Hollowell | D | 6 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Niagara Falls | 23 |
| 26 | Nick Abruzzese | C | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | NY: Slate Hill | 23 |
| 18 | Jordie Benn | D | 12 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 12 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | BC: Victoria | 35 |
| 28 | Joey Anderson 8 | R | 14 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MN: Roseville | 24 |
| 62 | Denis Malgin 6 | C | 23 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 4 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Switzerland: Olten | 25 |
| 89 | Nicholas Robertson | L | 15 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | CA: Pasadena | 20 |
| 29 | Pontus Holmberg | R | 37 | 5 | 8 | 13 | 18 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Vasteras | 23 |
| 25 | Conor Timmins 3 | D | 25 | 2 | 12 | 14 | 8 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: St. Catharines | 23 |
| 37 | Timothy Liljegren | D | 67 | 6 | 12 | 18 | 30 | 24 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Sweden: Kristianstad | 23 |
| 38 | Rasmus Sandin 2 | D | 52 | 4 | 16 | 20 | 23 | 10 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Uppsala | 22 |
| 47 | Pierre Engvall 1 | L | 58 | 12 | 9 | 21 | 25 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Ljungby | 26 |
| Totals | 278 | 479 | 757 | 685 |
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| Goalies | |||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player Name | GP | Min | GA | GAA | W | L | T | Svs | Pct | EN | SO |
| Jett Alexander | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Joseph Woll | 7 | 416 | 15 | 2.16 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 204 | 0.932 | 0 | 0 |
| Ilya Samsonov | 42 | 2476 | 96 | 2.33 | 27 | 10 | 5 | 1088 | 0.919 | 0 | 4 |
| Erik Kallgren | 10 | 562 | 25 | 2.67 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 221 | 0.898 | 0 | 0 |
| Matt Murray | 26 | 1473 | 74 | 3.01 | 14 | 8 | 2 | 687 | 0.903 | 0 | 1 |
hamzarocks
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Teams would see him as an elite player that cant work with another group of soft players (leafs core)
Leafs individual core pieced as the 2nd to 4th best players on another team woth better playoff performers and culture will be attractable
Also teams like Seattle, Pens, Isles, Rangers (depending on how they do and how Panarin produces these playoffs in R2 onwards), Utah, Stars, Nashville, are a few that could have interest both as a rental and as a long term piece
Those teams lack super stars and could use a marner guy with their quality offensive depth if he comes in at under 11M as a long term deal (probably 10M max)
Leafs core isn't soft. Leafs added toughness for this run. It's Marner (and Tavares) that is soft and ineffective when the hitting picks up. Marner will get at least what Nylander signed for. He won't take less and allow a trade.
The Habs would never add Marner given the makeup of the team. Habs are looking for big, strong players that compete. Like a Slafkovsky / Dach type. They already have the Cole Caufield / Newhook types. They won't waste 11+ million on Marner.
Habsolutely Awesome
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Florida - Marner
Toronto - Spencer Knight and negotiating rights to S. Reinhart if Florida can't sign him, if T.O. doesn't sign him, add a little more from Florida 1st rounder or second.
Toronto - Spencer Knight and negotiating rights to S. Reinhart if Florida can't sign him, if T.O. doesn't sign him, add a little more from Florida 1st rounder or second.
Fun fact:
Marner is ranked 36th in p/60 in the playoffs with 2.5
Domi is ranked 53th in p/60 in the playoffs with 2.35
Marner costs 11 million
Domi costs 3 million
I'll take 4 Domis over Marner any day of the week, hell I'll take two of him because despite being even smaller than Mitch he actually has heart
