Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[IPS]

The fact is we’ve lost an unprecedented amount in the playoffs over the last decade compared to the amount of success we’ve had. You can cherry pick whatever stats you want to support that our core isn’t the issue, but at the end of the day it’s abundantly clear that the cherry picked stats you use do not tell the full story.

And the problem with your argument is that what you think is logical may not be and I don’t think I’ve ever seen you concede that possibility.

Funny part is it's not even cherry picking. It's just inventing a completely new criteria for success and getting triggered that nobody believes his nonsense.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

"I dont think I need to work on anything this summer."

Bro had the absolutely worst PR training.

When you're god on skates there is no room for improvement.

 

[Mess]

He'll end up in Vegas on like a 12x2/3 type of deal. I predict he wont be re-signed by Vegas by the time that contract ends.

If I were a team that needed to create cap space to fit Marner I would not do it for a short-term contract for the risk of exactly as you say happening.

Only a team with tons of space and desperate for talent should capitulate to a 2-3 year deal based on beggars can't be choosers.

Think back had this been the situation with Tavares joining the Leafs and he signed for $11 mil for 2-3 years. Leaf then ruined their internal salary cap by overpaying Marner and Matthews as Tavares contract elevates those contracts. Leafs also gave away a 1st round pick (Seth Jarvis) to dump Marleau. Then JT walks away a few years later.

 

[Stephen]

Wondering if the Robertson rumors is just Dallas putting pressure on him to sign a deal.

Seems counterproductive to trade your 26 year old, 6'3, 210lb 40+ goal, 109 point winger... who had no elite centers and produced 30 points more than the next Star in 2022-2023

for a

For a 28 year old, 6' 180lb 20+ goal, 102 point winger for 13.5 million x3 years, whose spent the better part of the last 4 years with the games 1-3rd best center and has been a playoff bust.

Jason Robertson’s a bit of a weird one. Cause on paper all the vitals and stats lines look immaculate. But when you watch him play his skating is brutal and I dunno if there’s the feeling that he’s this uber elite guy. I’m struggling to think of the right analogy here, but let’s say more of a Dave Andreychuk compiler than a Mike Bossy?

 

[Leaf Fans]

When you're god on skates there is no room for improvement.

Yeah, but no one is god on skates.

 

[Peasy]

Marner said this? Time to get him the f*** out of Toronto.

He can go sponge off Vegas for a few years. As for the Knights improving greatly with him, remember the Oilers took care of them easily.

Shoulda just dealt his ass that summer

 

[MCR74]

Shoulda just dealt his ass that summer

And Paul swears that his son is a fierce competitor. Jesus Christ.

 

[Gary Nylund]

"I dont think I need to work on anything this summer."

Bro had the absolutely worst PR training.

If he needs some sort of special PR training to learn what anyone with a modicum of common sense would know anyway, he's even more dense than I thought.

 

[MCR74]

So the bum does squat to improve during the summer but expects to milk a team dry? I won't be sad to see him in another jersey.

 

[Stringer Bell]

If I were a team that needed to create cap space to fit Marner I would not do it for a short-term contract for the risk of exactly as you say happening.

Only a team with tons of space and desperate for talent should capitulate to a 2-3 year deal based on beggars can't be choosers.

Think back had this been the situation with Tavares joining the Leafs and he signed for $11 mil for 2-3 years. Leaf then ruined their internal salary cap by overpaying Marner and Matthews as Tavares contract elevates those contracts. Leafs also gave away a 1st round pick (Seth Jarvis) to dump Marleau. Then JT walks away a few years later.

That would solidify his reputation as a mercenary, where money is the first priority.

 

[Mess]

And Paul swears that his son is a fierce competitor. Jesus Christ.

Mighty Mitch registered 3 shots on net in the last 5 games of the playoffs and couldn't think of a single thing he would do differently or could improve on.

 

[MCR74]

That would solidify his reputation as a mercenary, where money is the first priority.

I think he's pretty much on his way there.

 

[Stringer Bell]

Shoulda just dealt his ass that summer

Wow. Absolutely wow. That clip kind of says it all, no?

 

[MCR74]

Might Mitch registered 3 shots on net in the last 5 games of the playoffs.

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Please sign with Vegas. Cassidy will love this.

 

[Stephen]

Shoulda just dealt his ass that summer

He reminds me of Mitch Kramer from Dazed and Confused there…

 

[Dekes For Days]

That clip kind of says it all, no?

It certainly says something entirely different than the fake quote that was posted.

 

[Rob Brown]

When you're god on skates there is no room for improvement.

Forget God on skates, he's a God everywhere in the city.

 

[Mess]

That would solidify his reputation as a mercenary, where money is the first priority.

Marner has not even joined his new team yet and he is already determined to screw them financially.

You want to become the highest paid player in the game in a bidding war, and then on a short-term deal when the cap goes up he wants another raise or he is leaving again for more money elsewhere.

His new team only gains on the length of the term by overpaying upfront as a UFA (on inflationary prices today) but realizing that return on investment down the road when his Cap Hit % decreases and salary cap increases.. A $14 mil Marner vs a $95.5 mil cap is among the highest paid players in the game, but in 3-4 years when his salary is static at $14 mil but the Salary Cap has increased to $110-$115 mil his contract impacts the team less and the team is now able to build a competitive team around him.

The only team guaranteed to come out of this on top of this nonsense is Toronto because they're saying "Your Fired" while others are lining up to say "Your Hired" regardless if it makes sense now or in the future financially.

A person's character when applying for a new job or position during the hiring process is important in the decision and not just about the money. I bet there are teams out there that wouldn't touch Marner with a 10 foot pole based on his reputation alone as a greedy ME person, when it comes to putting himself first then the team second. You factor in how he chokes under pressure in big moments in big playoff games and his soft non physical style of play is also not for everyone either.

 

[Tak7]

If I were a team that needed to create cap space to fit Marner I would not do it for a short-term contract for the risk of exactly as you say happening.

Only a team with tons of space and desperate for talent should capitulate to a 2-3 year deal based on beggars can't be choosers.

Think back had this been the situation with Tavares joining the Leafs and he signed for $11 mil for 2-3 years. Leaf then ruined their internal salary cap by overpaying Marner and Matthews as Tavares contract elevates those contracts. Leafs also gave away a 1st round pick (Seth Jarvis) to dump Marleau. Then JT walks away a few years later.

I do think a shorter term contract does make sense for a team acquiring Marner - there's a lot of baggage and failures you're inheriting; a shorter term deal lets you suss out whether the specialist in failure was a Mitch problem, a Toronto/core 4 problem, or some combination of both.

 

[1specter]

Going to be fun when he has his first game back. Will be a tough pill to swallow when 18K+ of your former hometown fans are booing the shit out of you, and will every single time you come back.

 

[Peasy]

It certainly says something entirely different than the fake quote that was posted.

Sorry, its tough to remember something word for word 4 years ago.

But the context still stands. After an embarrassing playoff loss, his answer was that there wasnt anything that he wanted to do differently to better prepare for the playoffs.

LOSER MENTALITY

 

[MCR74]

Wow. Absolutely wow. That clip kind of says it all, no?

Shoulda been canned asap. Management really dropped the ball. Oh well. He'll be some other team's problem soon.

 

[IPS]

Sorry, its tough to remember something word for word 4 years ago.

But the context still stands. After an embarrassing playoff loss, his answer was that there wasnt anything that he wanted to do differently to better prepare for the playoffs.

LOSER MENTALITY

Usually the answer to a question like that from a hockey player is "Uhh yeah uhh there's always things we can improve on you know, and uhh next year we're gonna come out better uhh yeah"

Just immediately saying "nope" to the question makes you look like a moron with a bad attitude.

 

[Mess]

Going to be fun when he has his first game back. Will be a tough pill to swallow when 18K+ of your former hometown fans are booing the shit out of you, and will every single time you come back.

I wouldn't be surprised in Marner called in sick the day he is scheduled to play in Toronto, and found some lame excuse to avoid dressing that game.

This guy is as soft and sensitive as they come, and so avoiding this situation just like he avoids contract and criticism would be right on par for his character. IMO

 

[Westlander]

If he needs some sort of special PR training to learn what anyone with a modicum of common sense would know anyway, he's even more dense than I thought.

It’s not just him either, it’s his whole camp (so called). Already the fact that we know his dad’s name tells you something and it’s not good. The parents of most players we never hear of (unless the dad was a former player like Nylander or Domi) because usually they’re just content to quietly enjoy watching their son’s NHL career, and not be entitled, interfering busybodies.

Or how about his agent publicly ridiculing a teammate’s contract the day it was signed.

Compare that with Matthews or Nylander whose PR is nothing special but they and their people at least knew to keep their mouths shut.