Remember though that Fetisov (and Kasatanov, Larionov, Makarov, Krutov) were all over 30 when they were allowed to leave, which is what the Soviets negotiated (they didn't want any young players to leave). Mogilny was 20 (and Fedorov was 21, for reference). That was the difference there (though as noted in this thread, it was made moot shortly after when the USSR collapsed).
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Remember though that Fetisov (and Kasatanov, Larionov, Makarov, Krutov) were all over 30 when they were allowed to leave, which is what the Soviets negotiated (they didn't want any young players to leave). Mogilny was 20 (and Fedorov was 21, for reference). That was the difference there (though as noted in this thread, it was made moot shortly after when the USSR collapsed).
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I'd argue that in the previous seven induction classes [2017-18-19-20-22-23-24], you could make a class of not-inducteds who were superior to the ones who were inducted. With Chara, Keith, Thornton going in this year, at least that shameful streak has come to an end (even with the Mogilny induction- though Mogilny isn't anywhere near the skid-mark Phil Housley was in the Class of '15). Suspect that the Selection Committee will revert to form next year, though.
As long as JC Tremblay has been mentioned for "excluded for aggravating Hockey Establishment," let's spare a thought for the memory of Carl Brewer.
The taxonomy of unjustly HoF snubbed male players is interesting. I've identified three main groups:
1) forgotten players overlooked in earlier generations. Most easy-to-document examples would be Paul Thompson and Cecil Dillon. Some would say Lorne Chabot, but I think his case is marginal.
2) aggravated Hockey Establishment. JC Tremblay. Brewer, Theo Fleury. Kovalchuk [though he's possibly the Lorne Chabot of this category]. I thought Roenick was tracking this way too. However, he got past the bouncers last year.
3) [Knowing I've said it all before] the persistently ignored non-NHL Euros. Here follows my sporadic "death watch" for such players whose induction would raise the HoF standard, and are running out of time...
Jiří Holeček- turned 81 earlier this year.
František Pospíšil- also turned 81 this year.
Boris Mikhailov- about to turn 81 this year.
Alexander Maltsev- turned 76 this year.
Vladimir Martinec- turns 76 later this year.
Global conditions being as they are, the road is no easier for Mikhailov and Maltsev- and other Russian worthies Alexander Petrov (died 2017) Vladimir Krutov and Valeri Vasiliev [died 2012] and Anatoli Firsov [died 2000] would be posthumous inductions.
Speaking of the deceased, Jan Suchý died in 2021- and if he wasn't admitted shortly after that, it's probably not going to happen.
As long as JC Tremblay has been mentioned for "excluded for aggravating Hockey Establishment," let's spare a thought for the memory of Carl Brewer.
The taxonomy of unjustly HoF snubbed male players is interesting. I've identified three main groups:
1) forgotten players overlooked in earlier generations. Most easy-to-document examples would be Paul Thompson and Cecil Dillon. Some would say Lorne Chabot, but I think his case is marginal.
2) aggravated Hockey Establishment. JC Tremblay. Brewer, Theo Fleury. Kovalchuk [though he's possibly the Lorne Chabot of this category]. I thought Roenick was tracking this way too. However, he got past the bouncers last year.
3) [Knowing I've said it all before] the persistently ignored non-NHL Euros. Here follows my sporadic "death watch" for such players whose induction would raise the HoF standard, and are running out of time...
Jiří Holeček- turned 81 earlier this year.
František Pospíšil- also turned 81 this year.
Boris Mikhailov- about to turn 81 this year.
Alexander Maltsev- turned 76 this year.
Vladimir Martinec- turns 76 later this year.
Global conditions being as they are, the road is no easier for Mikhailov and Maltsev- and other Russian worthies Alexander Petrov (died 2017) Vladimir Krutov and Valeri Vasiliev [died 2012] and Anatoli Firsov [died 2000] would be posthumous inductions.
Speaking of the deceased, Jan Suchý died in 2021- and if he wasn't admitted shortly after that, it's probably not going to happen.
Re: Fleury
There's really no reason to believe Fleury isn't being inducted because of his behavior.
His contemporaries Turgeon, Roenick, and Mogilny have recently been inducted after being eligible for many years. Guys like Fleury, Tkachuk, and LeClair are still out there.
Several more of the 1990s generation will likely be voted in over the coming years, and Fleury has a good chance to be one of them.
There's still quite a backlog.
There's really no reason to believe Fleury isn't being inducted because of his behavior.
His contemporaries Turgeon, Roenick, and Mogilny have recently been inducted after being eligible for many years. Guys like Fleury, Tkachuk, and LeClair are still out there.
Several more of the 1990s generation will likely be voted in over the coming years, and Fleury has a good chance to be one of them.
There's still quite a backlog.
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