Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[centipede2233]

Kings play in California.

My bad

 

[Da Mash]

Why are we so surprised in Athletes trying to make as much money as they can. ?
We see it in all other professional sports.

Marner agent is doing whats best for his client. Nothing wrong with that.
This isnt some kinda of character flaw. We do it all the time when looking for a job.

"Show me he money"

And thats ok ......some team will.

 

[MCR74]

It’s interesting reading comments from other teams’ fans that want Marner to sign with other rumoured teams other than their own.

Typical HF free agency bullshit.

I hope Marner rakes in a windfall on his next deal. Can someone please offer him $15M? The about face will be hilarious.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

When Marner scalps 13 AAV from his next team, "he'll say he left 1 AAV on the table".

lol

 

[Confucius]

Why are we so surprised in Athletes trying to make as much money as they can. ?
We see it in all other professional sports.

Marner agent is doing whats best for his client. Nothing wrong with that.
This isnt some kinda of character flaw. We do it all the time when looking for a job.

"Show me he money"

And thats ok ......some team will.

Sure as long as it’s not us, I hope he gets max from somebody.

 

[Tak7]

Why are we so surprised in Athletes trying to make as much money as they can. ?
We see it in all other professional sports.

Marner agent is doing whats best for his client. Nothing wrong with that.
This isnt some kinda of character flaw. We do it all the time when looking for a job.

"Show me he money"

And thats ok ......some team will.

Because it's not something we see in hockey typically - especially in the hard cap era.

There's always been this clear acceptance and understanding that in order to win, you need to leave money on the table so that the rest of the roster can be bolstered.

It's absolutely a character flaw if the end goal is to win - you can't win with guys who put themselves first, in what is effectively the ultimately team sport.

That has always been the case, but it's been especially reaffirmed over the past few years when you see Florida's group of selfless players fully committing to playing for each other, as a team and a family, over themselves.

Circling this back to Marner - him taking a 2-3 year deal will absolutely be about him wanting to maximize his career earnings in the same way that Matthews has; if you compare that to the Reinharts on teams that actually win? You begin to realize just how far away some of these guys are from truly being winners.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’m curious why you speak for people like Marner like you’re the press secretary.

I'm curious why you speak against the best players on the team like Marner as if you have some personal vendetta against them, and why you think stating facts, using logic, and speaking like a normal human being makes somebody a "press secretary".

One of the least enjoyable experiences of watching Marner over the years is having his impact exaggerated against consistently more successful players and why we’ve had to pay for premium for less and have fans cheer on the overpay like it’s the most prestigious thing in the world.

One of the least enjoyable experiences of watching Marner over the years is having his impact diminished against consistently worse players, by people who only look at a fraction of the relevant information and who can't differentiate between team and individual accomplishments. Another least enjoyable experience is watching people not understand why better players cost more to sign, get upset that we don't have the best surplus value contracts in the league, and then equate understanding it to cheering it on.

Marner will be gone soon and at least we don’t have to hear about all that.

I'm not sure where you've been if you think somebody leaving ends discussion about them. You seem to enjoy talking about him quite a bit.

Tell us what Mitch meant by gods when you guys talked about it together, since you’re evidently authorized to voice his innermost thoughts on every topic.

Lmao, you've got to be joking. Y'all are the ones out here pretending to know what everything means and creating entire narratives on your own. I'm not sure what world you're living in where telling somebody to not misquote or apply their own meaning to somebody's words equates to being "authorized to voice his innermost thoughts on every topic".

 

[notbias]

Good regular season player. He'll get 100 pts on Leafs who have other skilled forwards. On a weak offensive team it'll be less. He'll probably drop to 80 pts.

Playoffs he's a disaster. If you look at his playoff stats, getting 63 pts in 70 games doesn't seem too bad. Playoffs should dump down players pts a bit as it's a tougher game against good teams.

Problem is the guy's pts are frontloaded in games 1-4. Once the series gets to games 5-7 where it counts to end a series he (and the other core 4) basically all turn in Casper the Friendly Ghosts and disappear.

Been going on year after year. I dont see how he magically changes and becomes a playoff stud on another team. But he'll do fine in regular season.

He's 18th among active forwards for PPG, ahead of playoff warriors like Barkov, Tkachuk, and Bennett.

 

[notbias]

Because it's not something we see in hockey typically - especially in the hard cap era.

There's always been this clear acceptance and understanding that in order to win, you need to leave money on the table so that the rest of the roster can be bolstered.

It's absolutely a character flaw if the end goal is to win - you can't win with guys who put themselves first, in what is effectively the ultimately team sport.

That has always been the case, but it's been especially reaffirmed over the past few years when you see Florida's group of selfless players fully committing to playing for each other, as a team and a family, over themselves.

Circling this back to Marner - him taking a 2-3 year deal will absolutely be about him wanting to maximize his career earnings in the same way that Matthews has; if you compare that to the Reinharts on teams that actually win? You begin to realize just how far away some of these guys are from truly being winners.

Who has left money on the table to win? Only star players in their prime, please.

Did it work out?

Only one that immediately comes to mind is Tavares, and that didn't workout great.

 

[MCR74]

Sure as long as it’s not us, I hope he gets max from somebody.

Yep. Someone break the bank for Mitch, and when he disappears in the playoffs again, the spin will be incredible.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Another least enjoyable experience is watching people not understand why better players cost more to sign, get upset that we don't have the best surplus value contracts in the league, and then equate understanding it to cheering it on.

That's some real condescending BS.

People clearly understand those two things. What I think is that they have a harder time coming to terms with and understanding why some people try to make the case that he is on the same level as Rantanen or, even more laughably, Mackinnon.

 

[Tak7]

Who has left money on the table to win? Only star players in their prime, please.

Did it work out?

Only one that immediately comes to mind is Tavares, and that didn't workout great.

Look at every Stanley Cup champion in recent memory - there's always a handful of guys that are underpaid relative to market value, or who have left money on the table in order to win.

The Panthers have both Reinhart and Barkov on deals that are less than market value. Reinhart signed his 12 months ago. Brad Marchand, EIGHT years ago, was worth more than the $6.1M that he was on this year.

Rantanen gets more on the open market than he ended up signing in Dallas with. JT Miller signed for less than what he would have got on the open market.

Crosby's been underpaid his entire career.

 

[29Potvin]

He's 18th among active forwards for PPG, ahead of playoff warriors like Barkov, Tkachuk, and Bennett.

How many Cups, Selke and Conn Smythe?

 

[notbias]

Look at every Stanley Cup champion in recent memory - there's always a handful of guys that are underpaid relative to market value, or who have left money on the table in order to win.

The Panthers have both Reinhart and Barkov on deals that are less than market value. Reinhart signed his 12 months ago. Brad Marchand, EIGHT years ago, was worth more than the $6.1M that he was on this year.

Rantanen gets more on the open market than he ended up signing in Dallas with. JT Miller signed for less than what he would have got on the open market.

Crosby's been underpaid his entire career.

I think the only underpaid person that you listed asked for a contract that matches his jersey number because he is superstitious.

Everyone else was paid fairly at the time of signing, especially when you consider where they were paid.

How many Cups, Selke and Conn Smythe?

As many Cups as McDavid, as many Smythes and Selkes as Draisaitl...

What is the point?

 

[MCR74]

When Marner scalps 13 AAV from his next team, "he'll say he left 1 AAV on the table".

lol

Either he or the fans will.

 

[Hellcat]

Better teammates mean more points and more successful teams.

Mcdavid producing alot of points, winning trophies and having long playoff runs or winning championships will make him more money over his lifetime than a couple more million every season.

Tom Brady often took less in order to build stronger teams and ein championships. It certainly seems to have made him ALOT more money than he wouldve made had he sought to get maximum pay.

Dude you are all over the board? Marner who is a bum because he does not show up when it matters in the playoffs, but McDavid who also does not show up when it matters in the playoffs is a gem because he wins individual trophies but no championship trophies? Dude if you are going to continue to be pointless, at least don't contradict yourself in your posts.

 

[The Masters]

did this prima donna leave yet?

 

[Hellcat]

You can buy Land Rovers with a league minimum contract.

After you pay taxes, agents, training, wife, and mortgage, life ... not a hell of a lot left over on a league min contract.

 

[Martin Skoula]

After you pay taxes, agents, training, wife, and mortgage, life ... not a hell of a lot left over on a league min contract.

Fair point, you’d only have like 2 or 3 times more than 99% of people’s annual pre-tax and expense salary left over

 

[ACC1224]

did this prima donna leave yet?

He's still under contract until June 30. Free Agency begins on July 1, he then is eligible to leave.

 

[Dekes For Days]

People clearly understand those two things.

If they did, we wouldn't have had endless complaints for the past 6 years.

What I think is that they have a harder time coming to terms with and understanding why some people try to make the case that he is on the same level as Rantanen

It is certainly difficult to understand why anybody would try to make the case that he is on the same level as Rantanen when Marner is clearly better.

 

[The Masters]

He's still under contract until June 30. Free Agency begins on July 1, he then is eligible to leave.

u didn't catch the sarcasm

 

[Mess]

Because it's not something we see in hockey typically - especially in the hard cap era.

Circling this back to Marner - him taking a 2-3 year deal will absolutely be about him wanting to maximize his career earnings in the same way that Matthews has; if you compare that to the Reinharts on teams that actually win? You begin to realize just how far away some of these guys are from truly being winners.

Short-term contracts benefit the players to maximize earnings. While long-term contracts benefit the team particularly in the later years as the cap continues to rise.

Just take Marner vs a pair of Panthers Tkachuk and Reinhart.

Mitch currently making $10.9 mil while Tkachuk signed 8 years @ $9.5 mil and Reinhart @ 8 years @ $8.63 mil.. Now while Marner's contract expires both Panthers have used 3 years and still have 5 years remaining at current rates.

No compare that to playoff contribution with Florida going to 3 straight finals and 2 Cups.

How could the Leafs compete with the greed of the Leafs players?

Florida still gets 5 more years of Tkachuk at $9.5 mil and Reinhart @ $8.63 mil. Even with the Leafs letting Marner go Leafs still have Matthews @ $13.25 and Willy at $ 11.50 mil

Leafs are screwed trying to compete with teams where good players locked in long-term.

 

[Craig Button]

Look at every Stanley Cup champion in recent memory - there's always a handful of guys that are underpaid relative to market value, or who have left money on the table in order to win.

The Panthers have both Reinhart and Barkov on deals that are less than market value. Reinhart signed his 12 months ago. Brad Marchand, EIGHT years ago, was worth more than the $6.1M that he was on this year.

Rantanen gets more on the open market than he ended up signing in Dallas with. JT Miller signed for less than what he would have got on the open market.

Crosby's been underpaid his entire career.

1. Sam Reinhart took 10 years to become a star player.

2. Barkov signed for $10M for 8 years in 2021.

Sure Barkov could have signed somewhere at that time for 10.5M instead of $10M but he would pay more in taxes if he would have left Florida
But he signed an extension while he was still a RFA. To say he signed less than market value is a total lie and wrong.

Johnny Hockey signed a contract as an UFA in 2022 7 years @ $9.75M after he scored 115 points

 

[Craig Button]

Short-term contracts benefit the players to maximize earnings. While long-term contracts benefit the team particularly in the later years as the cap continues to rise.

Just take Marner vs a pair of Panthers Tkachuk and Reinhart.

Mitch currently making $10.9 mil while Tkachuk signed 8 years @ $9.5 mil and Reinhart @ 8 years @ $8.63 mil.. Now while Marner's contract expires both Panthers have used 3 years and still have 5 years remaining at current rates.

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No compare that to playoff contribution with Florida going to 3 straight finals and 2 Cups.

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How could the Leafs compete with the greed of the Leafs players?

Florida still gets 5 more years of Tkachuk at $9.5 mil and Reinhart @ $8.63 mil. Even with the Leafs letting Marner go Leafs still have Matthews @ $13.25 and Willy at $ 11.50 mil

Leafs are screwed trying to compete with teams where good players locked in long-term.

Just to make you feel better . If Rienhart andTkachuk played for the Leafs instead of Marner and Matthews. the Leafs would still lose in the 1st Round. And the Panthers would still win their Cups and be an even better team