Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[notDatsyuk]

Ah, yes. Average goal scoring is 30 goals. That's why 900 players scored less than that this season.

You don't read very well, do you?

 

[Hart Nation]

Some of you guy's are wild.. We're literally a top 5 team in the league taking the two-time champs to game 7. If it ever clicks for Mitchy and Matty's health we've been right there. Hell.. If our goalie stayed healthy we may of won with this group and then our team makeup would've been better suited going into the 3rd and 4th rounds.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Some of you guy's are wild.. We're literally a top 5 team in the league taking the two-time champs to game 7. If it ever clicks for Mitchy and Matty's health we've been right there. Hell.. If our goalie stayed healthy we may of won with this group and then our team makeup would've been better suited going into the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Matthews' health is a concern, but he may well return to form.

After 9 years of it not 'clicking' for Marner why think it suddenly will?

 

[FerrisRox]

Weren't charges withdrawn?

But were the charges withtdrawn because the victim didn't show up in court?

 

[MCR74]

Anyone who thinks mitch was ran out of town is absolutely delusional.

The dildo of consequences rarely comes lubed. Never seen a more unlikeable star. Oh I want to win I care so much, I care too much? So hit someone you big soft dumb dumb. Do something. Or are you only tough during negotiations?

Also I wouldn't negotiate with a single ferris client. f*** that guy.

Ferris and Paul teaming up to handle his next contract. You know where this is going.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If it wasn’t money what was it

This market and this management team.

How did they screw up the chance to sign him

They failed to sign him last offseason when he was interested in doing so, and then instead of being patient and respecting his choice to focus on the season, they alienated him, put public pressure on him, and created a media circus at the deadline for no reason.

I doubt it will be a worse team

We will unquestionably be worse than we could have been, and we're extremely likely to be worse than we are now, unless we have some prospects excel way beyond expectations or something.

If losing him hurts future cup potential how have the last 100 or so cup winners managed without Marner.

No specific player is a prerequisite for a cup, but making a team worse certainly doesn't get them closer to winning, and given our situation, it will be extremely hard to get back to cup caliber after losing a massive part of our team for nothing.

What if Marner was not willing to move off of his ask and the Leafs were not willing to move off of their offering.

I don't see Marner signing for anything that we shouldn't have been willing to offer.

If that is your criteria for Treliving failure then it should also apply to Marners failure to secure a deal

Marner isn't going to fail to secure a deal. He'll get signed.
Treliving had a responsibility to make sure he signed here. He failed.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

As unpromising as it looks, I really hope the Leafs re-sign Marner. Losing him -- who I believe is the team's most talented player -- is going to leave a massive massive hole. I'll hold off complete judgement until we see how the money is redistributed, but I have my doubts the sum of the parts will match Marner.

 

[Gary Nylund]

As unpromising as it looks, I really hope the Leafs re-sign Marner. Losing him -- who I believe is the team's most talented player -- is going to leave a massive massive hole. I'll hold off complete judgement until we see how the money is redistributed, but I have my doubts the sum of the parts will match Marner.

Most likely it will not match regular season Marner, but will exceed post game 86 Marner by miles.

 

[ACC1224]

As unpromising as it looks, I really hope the Leafs re-sign Marner. Losing him -- who I believe is the team's most talented player -- is going to leave a massive massive hole. I'll hold off complete judgement until we see how the money is redistributed, but I have my doubts the sum of the parts will match Marner.

Valid concern for sure.

 

[banks]

Some of you guy's are wild.. We're literally a top 5 team in the league taking the two-time champs to game 7. If it ever clicks for Mitchy and Matty's health we've been right there. Hell.. If our goalie stayed healthy we may of won with this group and then our team makeup would've been better suited going into the 3rd and 4th rounds.

I used to post this same thing every year. "A loss in 7 games means they're close" and that kind of thing. But the fact is they have failed in spectacular fashion for the same reasons every time. Mitch being the biggest culprit.

The core forwards wilt when the games are most important. Marner had only 1 point across all of games 4 through 7. He looked like he was in the preseason during the last half of the FLA series. Bad spin-o-rama attempts, flashy passes to nowhere, low effort puck retrieval, and no game-breaking qualities especially when on the PP which should be his party piece.

Mitch had 25+ minutes of powerplay time (lead the team) in the Florida series. The results? Only 2 shots total in those minutes and only 1 point.

It's a disgrace, and there's no excuse. He wanted to be paid like one of the best players in the league, and he got it. He was given everything he could possibly want from the team and the fans. He gave back 9 years of playoff failure in return. Lousy, lazy performances in defeat.

Bye Mitch. Don't come back.

 

[Mess]

I suggest with Marner leaving that someone that has the ability should put a highlight montage of ALL of Marner's career playoff goals together on a Youtube video.

It won't take long because there are only 13 of them and so it be only a short video.

Hate for a decade of Marner greatest scoring feats being lost to time, without a record or an ability for Leaf fans to reflect back on his immense accomplishments towards Leafs Stanley Cup aspirations.

I can help narrow down the search as Marner scored in game #1 against Boston in 2018-19 and his next goal didn't come again until game #1 against 2021-22, some 3 years later, where he went 18 playoff games over 3 playoff seasons without contributing a single goal against CBJ in 2019-20 nor Montreal in 2020-21 (so no need to search any film during those lean playoff years for Toronto).

Don't bother checking in games #5, #6 or #7 in any series in any year for a Marner goal as that sadly never occurred. When Leafs needed him most he was nowhere to be seen.

I look forward to watching the video if any is willing to take up the task.

 

[Tak7]

Some of you guy's are wild.. We're literally a top 5 team in the league taking the two-time champs to game 7. If it ever clicks for Mitchy and Matty's health we've been right there. Hell.. If our goalie stayed healthy we may of won with this group and then our team makeup would've been better suited going into the 3rd and 4th rounds.

There's an avalanche of evidence that continues to suggest that it's not going to click for Marner here, and to continue to believe otherwise is foolish and childish. It's not grounded in anything other than "blind dumb hope".

I'm not a fan of building hockey teams through "blind dumb hope".

Maybe it's Marner - is his game not suited for playoff hockey?
Maybe it's the whole core - are their games collectively too similar for it to work in the post-season?

Who knows.

I suspect that it's probably both.

But after 9 years of no results, you just have to try something else at this point.

 

[Stephen]

I suggest with Marner leaving that someone that has the ability should put a highlight montage of ALL of Marner's career playoff goals together on a Youtube video.

It won't take long because there are only 13 of them and so it be only a short video.

Hate for a decade of Marner greatest scoring feats being lost to time, without a record or an ability for Leaf fans to reflect back on his immense accomplishments towards Leafs Stanley Cup aspirations.

I can help narrow down the search as Marner scored in game #1 against Boston in 2018-19 and his next goal didn't come again until game #1 against 2021-22, some 3 years later, where he went 18 playoff games over 3 playoff seasons without contributing a single goal against CBJ in 2019-20 nor Montreal in 2020-21 (so no need to search any film during those lean playoff years for Toronto).

Don't bother checking in games #5, #6 or #7 in any series in any year for a Marner goal as that sadly never occurred. When Leafs needed him most he was nowhere to be seen.

I look forward to watching the video if any is willing to take up the task.

They made that video 4 years ago.

 

[IronHookem]

It will be interesting to see just how many points he can rack up on a PP that does not have 3 40+ goalscorers. Marner is more or less guaranteed to have a drop off in point totals regardless of where he goes. The question will be, by how much?

 

[Mess]

As unpromising as it looks, I really hope the Leafs re-sign Marner. Losing him -- who I believe is the team's most talented player -- is going to leave a massive massive hole. I'll hold off complete judgement until we see how the money is redistributed, but I have my doubts the sum of the parts will match Marner.

Leafs let the wrong Leaf player go.

There should have been more outrage over the loss of Zach Hyman then there is now over Mitch Marner.

Hyman (who is built for playoff hockey) since departing the Leafs in 68 games has 35 goals and 60 playoff points and a +27 +/- combined.

Marner during those last 4 years has recorded a mere 8 goals 38 points and only a +10 +/-

Hyman makes only $5.5 mil = 1/2 of Marner's current salary.

Now Treliving in his desire to change the Leafs DNA has to go out there and Zach Hyman like playoff warriors for Leafs Nation. It won't be hard replacing Marner's playoff contribution in the process.

PS. You could see how badly the Oilers missed Hyman in the final, who they lost to a broken wrist.

Hyman ended up leading the 2024-25 playoffs in hits despite not playing in the final 2 rounds, as he edged out Conn Smythe winner Sam Bennett.

 

[Tak7]

As unpromising as it looks, I really hope the Leafs re-sign Marner. Losing him -- who I believe is the team's most talented player -- is going to leave a massive massive hole. I'll hold off complete judgement until we see how the money is redistributed, but I have my doubts the sum of the parts will match Marner.

I have no confidence that the Leafs will properly spend that extra cap space. I don't trust Treliving. I don't think he's a good GM.

But it's refreshing that they'll at least now have to try something different, even if that scenario has been forced onto them.

 

[Leaf Fans]

But were the charges withtdrawn because the victim didn't show up in court?

It was that there was a low probability of successful prosecution. There was nothing at all reported about Marner not showing up, refusing to go to court not wanting to press charges, or even him being on the road.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/charges-quietly-dropped-in-armed-carjacking-of-maple-leafs-star-mitch-marner/article_feecc8bc-0eda-11ef-9b5b-c7956303b2c9.html

It is possible one the Leafs "personalitis" specualated on the internet or radio that that was the case (I have no idea either way)

 

[sunstersun]

Honestly, I gotta thank Marner, his offseason drama is distracting me from world drama.

 

[Tak7]

Honestly, I gotta thank Marner, his offseason drama is distracting me from world drama.

Twitter is just a bunch of LEAFS FANS vs MITCH'S BITCHES, and then a random video of CHINESE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WATCH AS IRANIAN MISSILE BARRAGE HEADS TOWARDS ISRAEL

 

[Mess]

It will be interesting to see just how many points he can rack up on a PP that does not have 3 40+ goalscorers. Marner is more or less guaranteed to have a drop off in point totals regardless of where he goes. The question will be, by how much?

I have made this point myself in the past that Marner is a creation of the goal scoring players that surround him as teammates.

Last year Marner cracked 100 points for the 1st time based on 75 assists and he was able to pile up the points based on being propped up by these 4 talented goal scoring teammates (below) that combined for 145 goals.

The more they finish off plays with goals the more Mitch's points rise and the more he believes he is worth in Salary.

Take away those goal scorers or as you put it where is he going to go where he will have that abundance of goal scoring talent to replicate his current output?

Teams are usually willing to pay up $$$ for goal scorers as primary scoring out, not secondary support players that live off their production. In the playoffs opposition teams simply blanket and shutdown Leafs scoring threats and they get a 2-1 deal because it silences Marner off the scoresheet at the same time,

 

[ITM]

Some of you guy's are wild.. We're literally a top 5 team in the league taking the two-time champs to game 7. If it ever clicks for Mitchy and Matty's health we've been right there. Hell.. If our goalie stayed healthy we may of won with this group and then our team makeup would've been better suited going into the 3rd and 4th rounds.

I know this is an age where accuracy means little in communication...But we didn't take the two-time Champs to Game 7. We took the defending Cup champs to Game 7...in a way that a fisherman takes a great white shark fishing.We were mauled in Games 5 and 7. We didn't so much take the Panthers anywhere except by surprise until they remembered who they are.

And if you take a look at their final stats, the cold, harsh truth is that their depth might be dynastic. Meaning, when you compare that club to ours and any other in the league, they're poised to repeat with impunity. Look at their top 5 in scoring: Each with either 23 or 22 points. That's freakish top-level contribution. Then the next 5 score between 20 and 13 points.

Bob went all-world again. Now he's signed for one more year at $10M. Next year comes off the books and I bet dollars to donuts, Bob would take a cut to fit in for a couple of more years while Zito fleeces a club for the Panthers next Vezina winner.

I have full faith that with $19M currently in cap space, if Zito wants to sign Bennett and Ekblad and Marchand, he's going to find a way to do it.

Barkov, Bennett, Reinhardt and Ekblad will be 29 years old at the start of next season. Lundell has two rings and three Cup Finals and is 23. Matthew Tkachuk is ENTERING his prime at 27.

Let's all take a deep breath and inhale reality that without a complete change in perspective and commitment, our health status is inconsequential.

 

[Racer88]

0% chance he signs with the Leafs.

I certainly hope you are right

 

[Racer88]

Some of you guy's are wild.. We're literally a top 5 team in the league taking the two-time champs to game 7. If it ever clicks for Mitchy and Matty's health we've been right there. Hell.. If our goalie stayed healthy we may of won with this group and then our team makeup would've been better suited going into the 3rd and 4th rounds.

We have been waiting for 7-8 years for those two to figure it out in the hard critical games. They have not yet done it all the while commanding huge contracts and Marners expectations for his next contract are beyond absurd.

 

[Peasy]

 

[Stephen]

Where’s that Don Draper meme.