Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Mike4Leafs4ever]

Not to mention he'll receive court costs iif they rule in his favour.

Tavares has already won.

Tax Court Pauses Canada Revenue Agency's $8M Case Against John Tavares In Likely Win For Maple Leafs Star

John Tavares picked up a major win in his tax dispute against the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) on Friday. His appeal case in the Tax Court of Canada was adjourned after his team won their motion in court and was trying to set a trial date.

thehockeynews.com

 

[MCR74]

Tavares has already won.

Tax Court Pauses Canada Revenue Agency's $8M Case Against John Tavares In Likely Win For Maple Leafs Star

John Tavares picked up a major win in his tax dispute against the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) on Friday. His appeal case in the Tax Court of Canada was adjourned after his team won their motion in court and was trying to set a trial date.

thehockeynews.com

Right on. l work for the feds myself. Seeing CRA lose won't keep me up at night.

 

[GoonieFace]

Come on now.

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Yeah but he got some secondary assists in the first 4 games

 

[Antropovsky]

They lost to Edmonton in 5 and he had 3 assists. That is when it mattered most. It was a Jekyll and Hyde playoffs for him

I was being facetious.. read my first response to that same post, where I say its silly to think that because one team took Fla to 7, it also means they beat Carolina, or Edmonton or any of the other teams in the playoffs.

Also, read my posts during the season, where I said Rantanen isnt in the Mackinnon or Kucherov, or that superstar area.

However, he is head and shoulders the better playoff performer over Marner. The stats dont lie:
- Far superior career offensive point production
- NHL Edge data shows Rantanen is among the most skilled players, Marner among the least skilled
- Rantanen among the leaders in slot shots, Marner among the worst.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You are obviously not very smart.

If Cirelli makes it, does that mean hes a 14 million dollar player?

So whether Marner makes it or not... doesnt matter. He very clearly is grouped with 8 million dollar players.

So shut up already. Or explain how him making it, makes him a 14 million dollar player. If you dont Im moving forward and ignoring you and your childish reactions.

Hes not part of Team Canadas first 6, despite two <9 million players being in the 6

He was on the 3rd line for Canada in game 3 and least played forward

All signs point to Team Canada not seeing him as an elite player.

Marners in the exact same situation he when the 4 nations top six was announced, it is status quo for Marner. The only change between the 4 nations and the Olympic team is Reinhart in for Marchand.

 

[Gallagbi]

I was being facetious.. read my first response to that same post, where I say its silly to think that because one team took Fla to 7, it also means they beat Carolina, or Edmonton or any of the other teams in the playoffs.

Also, read my posts during the season, where I said Rantanen isnt in the Mackinnon or Kucherov, or that superstar area.

However, he is head and shoulders the better playoff performer over Marner. The stats dont lie:
- Far superior career offensive point production
- NHL Edge data shows Rantanen is among the most skilled players, Marner among the least skilled
- Rantanen among the leaders in slot shots, Marner among the worst.

I try to read as little of this thread as I can. The discussion is usually a tier away from which is he best pasting paste.

But you're kidding yourself if you think this board wouldn't be having a referendum on Rantanen right now after his playoffs. Hell it happened without him even being a Leaf

 

[Leaf Fans]

If one American soldier sets foot on Canadian soil, I'll be joining the Military. It wont be Medicine sans Frontiers, it will be Canada sans MAGA.

America is crumbling and I want no part of that trash.

There 156 active soldiers in Canada.

Are there U.S. military bases and American troops in Canada?

The U.S. military has more than 165,000 troops deployed in over 170 countries and territories, including Canada.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[stickty111]

Marners in the exact same situation he when the 4 nations top six was announced, it is status quo for Marner. The only change between the 4 nations and the Olympic team is Reinhart in for Marchand.

You know status quo for Marner is not good right? Despite setting up the winner in the final, they still didn't make him one of the first 6 selected. They don't think he's good enough

 

[Leaf Fans]

You know status quo for Marner is not good right? Despite setting up the winner in the final, they still didn't make him one of the first 6 selected. They don't think he's good enough

I don't think think is good or bad. It just is.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

-Vilified by fans for signing a fair contract
-Vilified by media for signing a fair contract

Also fair contract my ass. Rantanen signed for less despite having two seasons over a point per game while Mitch only had one. Yes Marner had more points with 94 but that was in 82 games, Rantanen had seasons of 84 in 81 and 87 in 74 (which would have him at 96 in 82 if he'd played). Or Kucherov, his third contract where he was an RFA with arbitration rights he had seasons of 85 and 100 points when he signed for $9.5 million for 8 years. Imagine that, a star forward signing for the maximum amount of term.

At the time Rantanen signed for 6 years at $9.25 million, he took up 11.35% of the cap. Kucherov took up 11.66% of the cap on his deal. Mitch signed for 6 years at $10.893 million, 13.38% of the cap. A fair contract would've been below $10 million, anything resembling $9-9.5 million would've been fair. But our green GM bent over backwards to avoid another Nylander situation and ended up overpaying him as a result.

 

[Antropovsky]

Marners in the exact same situation he when the 4 nations top six was announced, it is status quo for Marner. The only change between the 4 nations and the Olympic team is Reinhart in for Marchand.

The point is he is going to be the highest paid Canadian player next year and wasnt even named in the top 6.

4nations he didnt make the top 6.

Olympics he wasnt picked for the top 6.

3 players making 9.5 or less were picked before him.

 

[Leaf Fans]

The point is he is going to be the highest paid Canadian player next year and wasnt even named in the top 6.

4nations he didnt make the top 6.

Olympics he wasnt picked for the top 6.

3 players making 9.5 or less were picked before him.

That not really a point, but they are facts. Well, one is probable.

 

[Antropovsky]

Also fair contract my ass. Rantanen signed for less despite having two seasons over a point per game while Mitch only had one. Yes Marner had more points with 94 but that was in 82 games, Rantanen had seasons of 84 in 81 and 87 in 74 (which would have him at 96 in 82 if he'd played). Or Kucherov, his third contract where he was an RFA with arbitration rights he had seasons of 85 and 100 points when he signed for $9.5 million for 8 years. Imagine that, a star forward signing for the maximum amount of term.

At the time Rantanen signed for 6 years at $9.25 million, he took up 11.35% of the cap. Kucherov took up 11.66% of the cap on his deal. Mitch signed for 6 years at $10.893 million, 13.38% of the cap. A fair contract would've been below $10 million, anything resembling $9-9.5 million would've been fair. But our green GM bent over backwards to avoid another Nylander situation and ended up overpaying him as a result.

The fact that Marner wont take the same deal as Draisaitl but only $500,000 annually is all we need to know about him. Marner wants Matthews' contract so he can maximize. He has a serious case of FOMO. City of Toronto > >>Edmonton and Draisaitl is far better in every regard.

Both Draisaitl and Marners next contracts start at the very same time.

And Mike Johnson said GMs and agents knew the cap would go up substantially.

 

[MCR74]

The fact that Marner wont take the same deal as Draisaitl but only $500,000 less is all we need to know about him. Marner wants Matthews' contract so he can maximize. He has a serious case of FOMO.

Both of their new contracts start at the very same time.

This.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The fact that Marner wont take the same deal as Draisaitl but only $500,000 less is all we need to know about him. Marner wants Matthews' contract so he can maximize. He has a serious case of FOMO.

Both of their new contracts start at the very same time.

Mitch and his people have it in their heads that he is just as impactful and important as Auston. Going back years. Mad about the ELC bonuses, had his agent throw a public fit about Autson's second contract, mad that he gets "an unfair amount" of playoff blame (when every other core four member has scored at least 5 goals and 10 points to his 0 goals and 6 points in Games 5-7 since 2019). And now he wants to copycat Matthews and "maximize his earnings" with short term deals.

Just a completely cancerous attitude. Despicable that he (and Matthews for that matter) are allergic to committing long term to this/a franchise when other franchise players can't wait to lock themselves in for the long haul to help a team win.

 

[MCR74]

Mitch and his people have it in their heads that he is just as impactful and important as Auston. Going back years. Mad about the ELC bonuses, had his agent throw a public fit about Autson's second contract, mad that he gets "an unfair amount" of playoff blame (when every other core four member has scored at least 5 goals and 10 points to his 0 goals and 6 points in Games 5-7 since 2019). And now he wants to copycat Matthews and "maximize his earnings" with short term deals.

Just a completely cancerous attitude. Despicable that he (and Matthews for that matter) are allergic to committing long term to this/a franchise when other franchise players can't wait to lock themselves in for the long haul to help a team win.

Whoever signs him this summer will quickly see the buck stops when the playoffs start.

 

[Antropovsky]

That not really a point, but they are facts. Well, one is probable.

It is the point. There is a thing called the Salary Cap! If you dont manage it.... you likely dont win a cup. Marner wants 13.5+x3 yeaes, but Team Canada has him grouped with <9 million dollar players!

Tampa, Vegas circumvented the cap put their teams roster way above the cap and won!

Four of Floridas core would cost pretty much same as Marner and Matthews (if we re-sign Marner). Then they have a couple more core guys also making several million less than they are worth on the open marker.

This isnt the non cap year where you could overpay anyone you wanted.

if we pay Marner 13.5x8 years (which Marner wont do) he is overpaid relative to others similarly effective as he is by quite a substantial amount.

Marner wants 13.5x3, so he can sign another one for 8 years and at the maximum average he can get like he always does.

If you sign Marner to 13.5x3.... then you are likely setting the stage that Marner is among the top earning players of all time (cap hit% wise). More than Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Draisaitl.. etc etc etc.

Oh btw, im pretty sure no top paid NHL player has ever won a cup at the beginning of their contracts when their cap % was highest.

And both Marner and Matthews taking short term deals means their cap % never hits a lower number.

Good thing about Matthews is at least he takes reasonable deals... Marner wants to get excessively overpaid and also get short term deals lol.

 

[Superstar]

Dubas wasnt a very good GM and still isnt, his rosters suck (other than the players gifted to him). However, I wonder how much of thr Marner contract was on him and how much not trading Marner was on him (though I think Nylander would have likely been his first choice until recently). I also think Dubas wouldve traded him for a Karlsson package lol. So Dubas bad GM..but not sure if he is entirely to blame for this Marner situation. HOWEVER.. I wonder if he was the idiot who didnt see the NMC kicking in last two years as a leverage move that would screw the Leafs during the next contract.

Shanahan has many sound bites where he continued to say we wont making changes just to say we made changes ... he also kept referencing great players who didnt win until their early 30s.

With Shanahan having the kind of influence he had on the core 4 (ie. calling them to give them the impression they wouldn't be moved after he fired Dubas), he shares a big chunk of the blame as Dubas...you wonder if Dubas just became a "yes" man because both he and Shanahan had the same idea of team construction...they think they could just skill their way to a Cup...if you compared Dubas to Zito, the Leafs and Panthers were more similar before when Panthers still had Huberdeau and before they got Bennett...but Zito knew quickly that he couldn't have a team of physically soft players like Barkov and win, so he changed and adapted quickly...as much as Dubas liked to talk about market inefficiencies, why is it that it's Zito who'd actually exploited market inefficiencies by trading for Bennett and Reinhart when their values were at their lowest? Dubas thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, but he clearly isn't.

Yeah, I think he would have packaged Marner off for Karlsson too, lol...

 

[Leaf Fans]

It is the point. There is a thing called the Salary Cap! If you dont manage it.... you likely dont win a cup. Marner wants 13.5+x3 yeaes, but Team Canada has him grouped with <9 million dollar players!

Tampa, Vegas circumvented the cap put their teams roster way above the cap and won!

Four of Floridas core would cost pretty much same as Marner and Matthews (if we re-sign Marner). Then they have a couple more core guys also making several million less than they are worth on the open marker.

This isnt the non cap year where you could overpay anyone you wanted.

if we pay Marner 13.5x8 years (which Marner wont do) he is overpaid relative to others similarly effective as he is by quite a substantial amount.

Marner wants 13.5x3, so he can sign another one for 8 years and at the maximum average he can get like he always does.

If you sign Marner to 13.5x3.... then you are likely setting the stage that Marner is among the top earning players of all time (cap hit% wise). More than Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Draisaitl.. etc etc etc.

Oh btw, im pretty sure no top paid NHL player has ever won a cup at the beginning of their contracts when their cap % was highest.

And both Marner and Matthews taking short term deals means their cap % never hits a lower number.

Good thing about Matthews is at least he takes reasonable deals... Marner wants to get excessively overpaid and also get short term deals lol.

Yes, there has been a salary cap since the 2005-2006 season.

 

[IPS]

Also fair contract my ass. Rantanen signed for less despite having two seasons over a point per game while Mitch only had one. Yes Marner had more points with 94 but that was in 82 games, Rantanen had seasons of 84 in 81 and 87 in 74 (which would have him at 96 in 82 if he'd played). Or Kucherov, his third contract where he was an RFA with arbitration rights he had seasons of 85 and 100 points when he signed for $9.5 million for 8 years. Imagine that, a star forward signing for the maximum amount of term.

At the time Rantanen signed for 6 years at $9.25 million, he took up 11.35% of the cap. Kucherov took up 11.66% of the cap on his deal. Mitch signed for 6 years at $10.893 million, 13.38% of the cap. A fair contract would've been below $10 million, anything resembling $9-9.5 million would've been fair. But our green GM bent over backwards to avoid another Nylander situation and ended up overpaying him as a result.

I guess this is usually the part where we have to hear about how allegedly vastly superior Marner is despite everyone tuning in come playoff time and seeing just how much of a different level of player Rantanen is.

That's the great part of that group - they probably don't watch shit all for games with other teams but boy do they have opinions about them.

Marner's idea of being "underavlued" by the organization is so f***ing out of touch with reality it's not even funny. This kid has a massive ego.

 

[Racer88]

Wouldn’t you agree the same applies to Matthew’s.
Marner is a passer Matthew’s is this elite generational goal scorer who disappears in the playoffs. You would think a player with all the accolades that Matthews has would at least be able to score in the playoffs.

We better hope Matthews is healthy next year because we won’t have that regular season marner to help us to the playoffs

I agree Matthews was awful same as Marner however when you are simply a passer you should not demand 14 million dollars.
The problems with the Leafs is not just on Marner but he is the one up for a new contract right now and his negotiations and attitude is awful.
Passers are a dime a dozen the real trick is to actually score the goal.

 

[Mess]

Come on now.

Hey you probably shouldn't post that is makes Marner look terrible, and forces his defenders into an indefensible situation.

Captain Clutch he is not.

Marner's disappearing act from critical games in a playoff series would make the great Harry Houdini proud of the illusion.

 

[ACC1224]

It’ll be interesting to see who will take all the tough minutes next year once Marner leaves. Bérubé is going to have his work cut out for himself for sure
He can’t be happy with losing his regular season MVP

 

[Martin Skoula]

Marner has scored a total of 13 playoff goals over 9 year and 11 playoff series. Mitch is basically good for approx. 1 goal every series on average.

Yesterday when Reinhart scored to open the game scoring, they mentioned that was Panther's 90th goal of the playoffs in their 23 playoff game. Florida finished with 94 goals total.

I tried to picture what a Leafs playoff roster would need to look like to score 90 playoff goals in just over what would be a 1/4 of an NHL season (23 games) let alone playoff games.

The Leafs had scored 36 goals after 2 rounds in the 2024-25 playoffs, That would mean they would have needed to score 58 goals in rounds #3 and #4 to match Florida.

The vision certainly didn't include Marner even at $11 mil cap never mind re-signed $14 mil. Florida's secret is in its depth where they have players making $4-$7 mil scoring double digit goals in the playoffs.

6 ES goals in 70 games when the score is within 1, 1 total PP goal in his entire playoff career. Why would anyone bother covering him when they could just cover his passing lanes and make him worthless?

 

[Caesium]

6 ES goals in 70 games when the score is within 1, 1 total PP goal in his entire playoff career. Why would anyone bother covering him when they could just cover his passing lanes and make him worthless?

How many during a full moon?