Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Peasy]

One other thing I'm hearing about Marner, there's the possibility again; there's still two weeks who knows where it will end up. There is a chance this is not a July 1 thing, but his choice is to set up Zoom or in person meetings on July 1 or thereafter.

I was told that's one of the possibilities, there's time, but that's not out of the question. - Elliotte Friedman

So Marner thinks that teams will put all of Free Agency on hold, just for the pleasure of being one of the teams who will bid on him?

I mean it was the same with Tavares. Tavares was done by July 1st though. If Marner wants to go around and visit cities then teams are going to be waiting awhile. I really hope the Leafs just dont even bother and start on their plans going forward without Mitch Marner.

 

[Fogelhund]

I am not sure Marner on Chicago, Anaheim, or San Jose is enough to get them into the playoffs.

Chicago and San Jose are going to add some pretty good talent to their roster in the draft.

They are going to be picking up one of Schaefer, Misa and Hagens each.

If SJ drafts Misa, along with Celebrini and Marner... that's a pretty solid first line right there. They've got a ways to go still, but it's a good start.

Chicago with Bedard and Marner would be fun... but it's not enough... probably too soon for them

Ducks... I just don't see it for them... not enough (edit) (Elite) talent, but who knows.

 

[MCR74]

I dont think a playoff team can afford him without making their team worse depth wise.

True. I doubt any of the big dogs will be rushing out to match his asking price.

 

[weems]

Chicago and San Jose are going to add some pretty good talent to their roster in the draft.

They are going to be picking up one of Schaefer, Misa and Hagens each.

If SJ drafts Misa, along with Celebrini and Marner... that's a pretty solid first line right there. They've got a ways to go still, but it's a good start.

Chicago with Bedard and Marner would be fun... but it's not enough... probably too soon for them

Ducks... I just don't see it for them... not enough talent, but who knows.

With the Ducks, isn't Leo Carlsson, Mitch Marner, Chris Kreider, Cutter Gauthier, Jackson Lacombe, Mason Mctavish, Owen Zellweger, Pavel Mintyukov a pretty good group of talent?

They also have Bennett Sennecke on the way.

 

[Peasy]

With the Ducks, isn't Leo Carlsson, Mitch Marner, Chris Kreider, Cutter Gauthier, Jackson Lacombe, Mason Mctavish, Owen Zellweger, Pavel Mintyukov a pretty good group of talent?

They also have Bennett Sennecke on the way.

Ducks are stacked. They were plagued with having one of the worst NHL coaches the past 2 seasons. Now they have Q.

Im in a dynasty league and have acquired quite a few of the young ducks over the years so have kept a close eye on them. The position they are in right now reminds me of the early Leafs. Them signing Marner would be like us signing JT. It would f*** their internal cap structure so bad with all their young guys ELCs coming up. If im a ducks fan I want nothing to do with Marner.

 

[Fogelhund]

With the Ducks, isn't Leo Carlsson, Mitch Marner, Chris Kreider, Cutter Gauthier, Jackson Lacombe, Mason Mctavish, Owen Zellweger, Pavel Mintyukov a pretty good group of talent?

They also have Bennett Sennecke on the way.

I think that's to be determined. Look at Nylander... 61 points in his first year. He was the lowest scoring forward of our group.

McTavish in his third full year put up 52 points.
Lacombe in his second year put up 43 points.

Carlsson and Gauthier had nice first years, but again... it was good right.. not elite.

Kreider will help...

But at this point in time, this looks like a group of "Good" players... but not elite, or top tier.

This year will be pretty telling for these guys though... their draft pick this year is unlikely to come in and help, and Sennecke I'm not sold on being high end.

Some of these guys are really going to have to step up, and show more, to make me believe they are more than... good players.

 

[notbias]

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Marner would be the highest paid player on the Florida Panthers.

and is looking to make 4 AAV more than the highest player.

"He wont be going to Florida"

I bet he'd take less since he gets more on the take-home (no matter how much people want to say taxes don't matter).

I could see him in Florida, and doing really well, it'd suck.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yes it was reported in the media that Shanahan called everyone saying you're safe

Where is the report

 

[Mess]

Unfortunately Disneyland closed the Country Bears Jamboree and turned that area into a New Orleans bayouland. Although it’s OK it won’t be difficult to move the child away from it.

Well that changes everything.

 

[Tak7]

If they are "engaging" ... it's at the level of:
(1) 9AAV x8.
(2) Can we trade you bro ?

(3) $13.5M x 8

 

[Fogelhund]

Maple Leafs’ Marner Isn’t Worth More Than $10 Million Per Season - The Hockey Writers Toronto Maple Leafs Latest News, Analysis & More

Toronto Maple Leafs forward Mitch Marner is deserving of far less money than he's expected to land in free agency.

thehockeywriters.com

Marner Not Worth the Money He Will Get
It sounds as though a new contract for Marner could start as high as $12 million, while other reports have suggested he is looking to get $14 million annually. That is an absurdly high number given that his teammate, Auston Matthews, had the highest cap hit in the NHL this past season at $13.25 million. Next up was Nathan MacKinnon at $12.6 million, while Connor McDavid rounded out the top three at $12.5 million.

As of now, Leon Draisaitl is set to command the highest cap hit in the NHL in 2025-26 at $14 million. If that is indeed the same number Marner is going for, it’s unfathomable to imagine a team actually hands it to him. Even just this past season he was the 11th highest paid player in the league, and his playoff stats indicate he should be nowhere near the top in regards to salary.

While Draisaitl’s cap hit is certainly a big one moving forward, he elevates his game to new heights in the playoffs. He’s helped lead the Edmonton Oilers to two straight Stanley Cup Finals, including this current run where he has 11 goals (four overtime winners) and 33 points in 21 games. He’s logged 95 career playoff games and has an absurd 52 goals and 141 points. He is very deserving of his contract. Marner, meanwhile, isn’t remotely in the same category.

The 28-year-old struggled for the Maple Leafs yet again in the playoffs this year, scoring two goals and 13 points through 13 games. Despite being well over a point-per-game player throughout the regular season over his nine-year career, he has just 13 goals and 63 points through 70 playoff games. Those aren’t horrendous numbers by any stretch, but would fall in line more so with a $10 million player rather than the contract he’s believed to be seeking.

There is more than enough of a sample size proving that Marner cannot be the go-to guy for a team in the playoffs if they hope to win a Stanley Cup. He wasn’t even viewed as the top guy in Toronto, yet still failed to make much of anything happen on the big stage. Making that type of player the potentially second-highest paid in the NHL is a major recipe for disaster.

Marner Lacks a Winning Mentality
Marner has gained a reputation as a player who seems to care more about the money than winning, and him reportedly eying the contract he is doesn’t help remove that reputation. A player like Draisaitl earned the right to do so, which is why nobody is questioning his upcoming extension. Had Marner wanted to remove that reputation, he could have done so by taking a discount to remain in Toronto. Instead, he seems to have his eyes set on nothing other than the money.

 

[Fogelhund]

Where is the report

It was everywhere....

Brendan Shanahan Maybe Forced To Break Promise He Recently Made To The Maple Leafs' Core Four

Following the dismissal of Kyle Dubas from his role with the Toronto Maple Leafs, President Brendan Shanahan made a significant commitment to the team's 'Core 4'.

www.houseofhockey.net

Following the dismissal of Kyle Dubas from his role with the Toronto Maple Leafs, President Brendan Shanahan made a significant commitment to the team's 'Core 4' players - Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, and William Nylander.

He assured them that they would not be traded, a promise that stands firm, irrespective of who fills the forthcoming general manager role.

 

[Mess]

I suppose you would.

Yeah, I think Team Canada picked whom they believed where their best players available.

Do you think they choose just 6 random players and hoping to add betters ones at a later date?

Auston Mathews for USA and Willy Nylander of Sweden were named to their countries, and that wasn't pure luck on their parts, as I also believe those countries intended to pick their top 6 countrymen as well.

Marner is not consider the best in the World, because he wasn't even considered the best among Canadians only,

That all seems like perfectly reasonable logic to me.

 

[Apex Predator]

Where is the report

Chris Johnston

Report: Leafs’ core four players believe they’re going to be back together after calls from Shanahan

The Toronto Maple Leafs' core four players don't think they're going a...

theleafsnation.com

 

[Trapper]

Do you think they choose just 6 random players and hoping to add betters ones at a later date?

Hey that’s our playbook. Team Canada can’t steal our M.O.

 

[ACC1224]

Maple Leafs’ Marner Isn’t Worth More Than $10 Million Per Season - The Hockey Writers Toronto Maple Leafs Latest News, Analysis & More

Toronto Maple Leafs forward Mitch Marner is deserving of far less money than he's expected to land in free agency.

thehockeywriters.com

Marner Not Worth the Money He Will Get
It sounds as though a new contract for Marner could start as high as $12 million, while other reports have suggested he is looking to get $14 million annually. That is an absurdly high number given that his teammate, Auston Matthews, had the highest cap hit in the NHL this past season at $13.25 million. Next up was Nathan MacKinnon at $12.6 million, while Connor McDavid rounded out the top three at $12.5 million.

As of now, Leon Draisaitl is set to command the highest cap hit in the NHL in 2025-26 at $14 million. If that is indeed the same number Marner is going for, it’s unfathomable to imagine a team actually hands it to him. Even just this past season he was the 11th highest paid player in the league, and his playoff stats indicate he should be nowhere near the top in regards to salary.

While Draisaitl’s cap hit is certainly a big one moving forward, he elevates his game to new heights in the playoffs. He’s helped lead the Edmonton Oilers to two straight Stanley Cup Finals, including this current run where he has 11 goals (four overtime winners) and 33 points in 21 games. He’s logged 95 career playoff games and has an absurd 52 goals and 141 points. He is very deserving of his contract. Marner, meanwhile, isn’t remotely in the same category.

The 28-year-old struggled for the Maple Leafs yet again in the playoffs this year, scoring two goals and 13 points through 13 games. Despite being well over a point-per-game player throughout the regular season over his nine-year career, he has just 13 goals and 63 points through 70 playoff games. Those aren’t horrendous numbers by any stretch, but would fall in line more so with a $10 million player rather than the contract he’s believed to be seeking.

There is more than enough of a sample size proving that Marner cannot be the go-to guy for a team in the playoffs if they hope to win a Stanley Cup. He wasn’t even viewed as the top guy in Toronto, yet still failed to make much of anything happen on the big stage. Making that type of player the potentially second-highest paid in the NHL is a major recipe for disaster.

Marner Lacks a Winning Mentality
Marner has gained a reputation as a player who seems to care more about the money than winning, and him reportedly eying the contract he is doesn’t help remove that reputation. A player like Draisaitl earned the right to do so, which is why nobody is questioning his upcoming extension. Had Marner wanted to remove that reputation, he could have done so by taking a discount to remain in Toronto. Instead, he seems to have his eyes set on nothing other than the money.

Playoffs aside, do you think he earned his last contract based on his regular season play?

 

[GoonieFace]

Point is - whether you agree with it or not, the idea that Toronto is a tough/toxic/difficult market is now out there, no doubt reinforced by the fact that a 100-point homegrown local talent is walking away without as much as a conversation with the organization.

Not sure using Marner as a measuring stick for what is a difficult market is a good idea. He seems to be very fragile mentally.

 

[Hart Nation]

I'm sure the other players won't mind Mitchy pushing the dollar amount up for everyone on their next contracts gents.. The bigger issue is the cap and the fact that we should be allowed to overspend with financial penalty distributed to the clubs with a lesser fan base.

 

[Trapper]

Playoffs aside, do you think he earned his last contract based on his regular season play?

I believe Marner earned where he should be now. The 12 million range just above Nylander and just below Matthews.
Unfortunately, Marner never exceeded his contract the last time IMO, like Nylander did making 7 million.
If Marner had signed for 8 last RFA, he would have easily exceed it and been up for 12 million now.
There is no way I pay him anywhere close to 14 or more and not more than Matthews.

 

[tuckerintensity]

So Marner thinks that teams will put all of Free Agency on hold, just for the pleasure of being one of the teams who will bid on him?

I mean, they are lining up to talk to him and make him offers on July 1. As much as you, and seemingly half of this board, don't want to believe it, Marner is one of the best wingers in the game. Players like him don't often come to free agency, especially at 28 years old in the middle of their prime. Every report out there from anyone who actually knows something is that there is a long list of teams wanting to sign him (including us) and it's because he's an incredibly good hockey player.

Whatever to the thought that you don't like him or his attitude or he the way his dad makes you feel about yourself, none of that means anything. He's really damn good at the game of hockey and teams are lining up to make him their number one target because of it and he's earned the right to listen to those offers.

 

[Racer88]

I think that's exactly what he's implying. After all, he still insists that Marner hasn't been overpaid the last 6 years, despite all the evidence.

I'm curious to know if he's just trolling, really believes that, or is just too firmly entrenched to admit he's wrong.

I know we all have our moments of craziness, myself included but there are some things that are proven truths. Marner is the player that you want for the regular season but the playoffs he is next to useless in the critical playoff games

 

[Racer88]

I believe Marner earned where he should be now. The 12 million range just above Nylander and just below Matthews.
Unfortunately, Marner never exceeded his contract the last time IMO, like Nylander did making 7 million.
If Marner had signed for 8 last RFA, he would have easily exceed it and been up for 12 million now.
There is no way I pay him anywhere close to 14 or more and not more than Matthews.

Besides you can’t seperated his regular season performance from his playoffs. They have to be taken together to assign legitimate value

 

[Fogelhund]

Playoffs aside, do you think he earned his last contract based on his regular season play?

It completely depends on how you frame what your goals are. Are your goals to be a good regular season team, or a good playoff team?

But just being a consistent regular season team, is not the goal here, so it's not really a relevant question. The goal here is to be a Cup contender, and he hasn't helped that goal at all. To have him on the roster, you'd have to bring in players who help with the goal of being a cup contender, and there is no chance you can allocate that amount of cap with such a goal.

However, If your goal is to be a consistently good regular season team, he's a really good guy to have. I'd say... yes, he helps you achieve that goal, and would earn whatever contract you give him, in being a key player to achieve that goal. He's helped the Leafs be a very good, near tops in the league in the regular season.

Everything is about goals, and what you are trying to achieve. What you need to build, and who you need to surround players with, to achieve those goals.

 

[Tak7]

I do have a question for all of you.

Do you believe that ACC1234 really truly believes all the things he says about Marner, or do you believe it's more likely that he's a born contrarian and just can't help taking the opposing view of the majority to purposely get under people's skin?

I think some people are genuinely dispositioned not to criticize or defend anything / everything. Cheerleader mode, with no exceptions.

At no point do I think a contrarian argument is being made just for the sake of being on the opposite side. I think the Marnerites genuinely believe in their guy.

I think it's ridiculous, given how many years we've had to put up with this Marner stuff, to even suggest that a contrarian viewpoint exists that is also grounded in common sense, logic, and facts. We know what Marner is about - there's no defending this guy anymore. I've yet to hear anyone offer an actual logical defense for his performances and behavior.

Can't do it on the ice.
Can't behave off the ice.

If that's the guy you're choosing to defend at this point, I question whether you're truly a fan of the Maple Leafs, or just someone who simply likes Marner. He's done nothing to deserve any sort of defense at this stage.

 

[Racer88]

I mean, they are lining up to talk to him and make him offers on July 1. As much as you, and seemingly half of this board, don't want to believe it, Marner is one of the best wingers in the game. Players like him don't often come to free agency, especially at 28 years old in the middle of their prime. Every report out there from anyone who actually knows something is that there is a long list of teams wanting to sign him (including us) and it's because he's an incredibly good hockey player.

Whatever to the thought that you don't like him or his attitude or he the way his dad makes you feel about yourself, none of that means anything. He's really damn good at the game of hockey and teams are lining up to make him their number one target because of it and he's earned the right to listen to those offers.

Too bad all that good player goes out the window in big games. If he could keep it up all year including the playoffs I would give him 11 million