Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Racer88]

Nope.

Team had plenty of opportunity to re-sign him, but they screwed it up.

Nobody should be happy. A worse Leaf team certainly doesn't make me happy.

Losing him hurts any future cup potential.

If it wasn’t money what was it

How did they screw up the chance to sign him

I doubt it will be a worse team

If losing him hurts future cup potential how have the last 100 or so cup winners managed without Marner.

 

[Stephen]

Nope, but for a player that claimed he loved the Leafs he didn't have any problem claiming he would threaten to sign an offer-sheet to leave unless the Leafs matched and beat that amount.

Loyalty to the Leafs over his own paychegue was never in doubt, where his #1 priority lay.

A signed valid offer-sheet at the time he was coming out of his ELC was 4 X 1st rounds picks for $10.4 mil or above as compensation as per CBA .

In the NHL, an offer sheet with a $10.4 million annual average value (AAV) would indeed require the signing team to forfeit four first-round draft picks as compensation to the player's original team, according to Sportsnet.ca and PuckPedia. This is the highest compensation level for offer sheets in the NHL.

Leafs should have forced his bluff and gotten him to sign that OS and then walked away with 4 X 1st round picks, instead of capitulating and giving him $10.9 mil. So instead of receiving the highest compensation they offered him one of the highest NHL contracts instead.

Leafs already had Matthews, Nylander and Tavares under contract now add 4 straight years of 1st round picks in addition to their own picks and fill the prospect cupboard with high-end talent. Once Leafs signed JT many people (myself included) suggested either Marner or Nylander now had to go for Salary cap reasons and affordability.

This to ME is the biggest turning point in Leafs history that could have had a happy ending for Leafs Nation fans had they only made a GOOD and right business decision.

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

Marner’s popularity in this city and fanbase is what it is because he’s negotiated like he was threatening a mercenary move, brings up a lot of coaching and management resentment and drama, got the bag and he’s terrible in the playoffs.

So our championship goals are limited by what Marner can do on the ice, our roster is limited because of what Marner and friends are paid. And breakup happens we have to hear about how it’s the GM, fanbase and city’s fault for mistreating poor Mitch?

How about this. He’s just a mercenary who failed to deliver last time. For a mix of reasons belonging to the team and the player there will be no next time.

 

[Stephen]

If it wasn’t money what was it

How did they screw up the chance to sign him

I doubt it will be a worse team

If losing him hurts future cup potential how have the last 100 or so cup winners managed without Marner.

How much can our future cup potential be hurt when the high water mark with Marner in the playoffs is a second round exit?

 

[Racer88]

How much can our future cup potential be hurt when the high water mark with Marner in the playoffs is a second round exit?

Exactly

 

[Trapper]

If it wasn’t money what was it

How did they screw up the chance to sign him

I doubt it will be a worse team

If losing him hurts future cup potential how have the last 100 or so cup winners managed without Marner.

Probably didn’t have as many passengers.

 

[LeafEgo]

He is not worth the 23M AAV he is probably asking for.

That sounds like Ferris - anchor with an amount more than the maximum allowable amount, and then when you land on the maximum allowable amount, it doesn't look so bad. A little door-in-face action, but he may have to get used to a post Dubas world going forward.

This is how delusional some "fans" are...

Lou offered JT more than Dubas.

Lou after signing Horvat said it was "too much and too long".

This master of negotiation got Zaitsev his contract and for all the Engvall lovers, look what he did there.

Delusion.

Lou wasn't much of a numbers guy, more of a hockey instincts/culture guy. He would have been better off taking in more support on the former, but in spite of that, impressively still recognized as one of the best GM's of all time.

NJ was a masterpiece, but following that up with the Leafs rapid rebuild and then the Islanders revival - double ECFs/GMOTY.

Looking back it's funny how perfect he would have been to continue - if it wasn't obvious enough at the time. Wrote the book on everything we whiffed and then we faceplanted the numbers anyways.

He's kinda over 80 now though..

 

[Gary Nylund]

I just don’t get it. Tre saying the “DNA” of the team needs to change. If your best and highest paid players, Matthews and Nylander, don’t have it, who could be brought in that would change their DNA? I think your top players need to have it, and then you bring in other players who also have it.
And Matthews throwing his teammates under the bus after the series was over, and of course not including himself, I just don’t see why the team would want to follow him after that.

This isn't related to my post so not sure why you're quoting me.

Too much is made of that "DNA" quote. All the core players are locked up for multiple years, you can do the math from there.

Marchand instead of Laughton, I’d say we would have won. Panthers are better than us but I feel they played poorly against us, just that we played even worse. I think that series was the worse played out of all the ones I watched.

Marchand instead of Laughton I also think we would have won. Come to think of it, Marchand instead of Marner and we also probably win.

 

[LeafEgo]

Marchand instead of Laughton I also think we would have won. Come to think of it, Marchand instead of Marner and we also probably win.

Since in this scenario you are taking away from Cats at the same time you are giving to the Leafs that seems like good money.

 

[Stephen]

That sounds like Ferris - anchor with an amount more than the maximum allowable amount, and then when you land on the maximum allowable amount, it doesn't look so bad. A little door-in-face action, but he may have to get used to a post Dubas world going forward.


Lou wasn't much of a numbers guy, more of a hockey instincts/culture guy. He would have been better off taking in more support on the former, but in spite of that, impressively still recognized as one of the best GM's of all time.

NJ was a masterpiece, but following that up with the Leafs rapid rebuild and then the Islanders revival - double ECFs/GMOTY.

Looking back it's funny how perfect he would have been to continue - if it wasn't obvious enough at the time. Wrote the book on everything we whiffed and then we faceplanted the numbers anyways.

He's kinda over 80 now though..

Lou was widely mocked by the Dubas crowd when he went to the Island and got a lot of flack for the way he ran things.

He still managed to do a lot with less talent, going to the second round his first year, conference finals in year 2 and 3 before settling into a one and done routine and missing the playoffs altogether. Toronto never caught up to that under Dubas and Treliving.

 

[LeafEgo]

Lou was widely mocked by the Dubas crowd when he went to the Island and got a lot of flack for the way he ran things.

He still managed to do a lot with less talent, going to the second round his first year, conference finals in year 2 and 3 before settling into a one and done routine and missing the playoffs altogether. Toronto never caught up to that under Dubas and Treliving.

Part of that less talent was losing his best player to Toronto.

Dubie has had some comically bad luck with parallels - first with Lou, now with the Caps. Can't catch a break.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Imagine having resentment towards your hometown club and the only team you have ever suited up for because some GM that isn't here anymore didn't give you some bonuses in your first year...

Imagine continuing to have resentment towards your hometown club and the only club you ever played for because you didn't live up to the inflated price tag you negotiated for yourself and subsequently blaming the fans and "pressure".

What an absolute loser this guy turned out to be.

 

[png57]

Just waiting to see how many people will start chanting "we don't need you!" during his homecoming next season.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Leaf Nation fans will look back in time and see all those regular season points and all those failed and struggling playoff results and it will not be a memorable time.

It kind of reminds me of the Rick Vaive Era in Toronto in the 1980's .. Vaive scored 50+ goals in 3 straight seasons from 1981 thru 1984 and in his 8 years in Toronto the Maple Leafs won only 2 measly playoff series.

The Marner 9 seasons 2016-2025 and the Vaive's 8 years 1979 - 1987 left the same bad taste in fans mouth for those wasted decades of Leafs history where the Stanley Cup remained so far out of reach.

Neither former Leaf player will leave behind any memorable playoff highlight moments that fans talk about for generations, because there simply weren't any.

How are those two eras even close to comparable? The Rick Vaive teams were mediocre to downright terrible, and only made the playoffs a few times because 16 of 21 teams got in and the Norris was a terrible division.

what is it you think Lou offered Mumbles ?

11.25 and 11.5 have been cited as Lou's final offer.

If it wasn’t money what was it

How did they screw up the chance to sign him

It's almost always money, and Marner reportedly turning down 8x13.5 was how they screwed up. Guess he felt insulted.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[centipede2233]

We should be thanking Fenway group who bought the pens. Because if Mario didn’t sell, dubas would have accepted the offer from shanahan. Just shows you how clueless shanahan was.

 

[Da Mash]

Lou was widely mocked by the Dubas crowd when he went to the Island and got a lot of flack for the way he ran things.

He still managed to do a lot with less talent, going to the second round his first year, conference finals in year 2 and 3 before settling into a one and done routine and missing the playoffs altogether. Toronto never caught up to that under Dubas and Treliving.

Lou was terrible with the Islander just like he was terrible with NJ in this cap era.
A stanley cup coach fell into his lap. They had success for maybe two yrs and then what? He had no clue on how to manage the cap.
Btw who acquired that less talent like Engvall or Pageau etc What great move did he make the last several yrs there?

IMHO ….time has passed for Lou IMHO

 

[ACC1224]

Where does this theory that he’s still upset about rookie bonuses come from?
Guessing that should just go on the pile with the rest of the made up stuff.

 

[thewave]

Where does this theory that he’s still upset about rookie bonuses come from?
Guessing that should just go on the pile with the rest of the made up stuff.

You're right. He shouldn't be upset about this. He did after all get overpaid on his last contract as a result of them.

 

[Nineteen67]

Lou was widely mocked by the Dubas crowd when he went to the Island and got a lot of flack for the way he ran things.

He still managed to do a lot with less talent, going to the second round his first year, conference finals in year 2 and 3 before settling into a one and done routine and missing the playoffs altogether. Toronto never caught up to that under Dubas and Treliving.

If you’re strictly counting series wins since the salary cap, the Leafs still haven’t caught Buffalo.

 

[Nineteen67]

Sounds good, but I hate to get my hopes up because this organization has a history of letting us down

 

[Confucius]

Go Mitch go. Lol

 

[Tak7]

Where does this theory that he’s still upset about rookie bonuses come from?
Guessing that should just go on the pile with the rest of the made up stuff.

Nick Kypreos.

 

[hoglund]

I think that the Leafs will miss Marner.

 

[mclaren55]

I watch this sport for entertainment, and this off season will be VERY entertaining. Even though Mitch couldn't get it done in the playoffs for us, I do wish him all the best on his new team. It was a treat watching him in the regular season during his tenure, and I even enjoyed his first few playoffs (Washington particularily). I have no animosity for someone I don't personally know, and at the end of the day he has to do what he and his family is comfortable with.

No point as a fan in getting emotionally involved in a specific player, just love the crest.

For those getting frothy in here, remember that life is short, and you will never be on your deathbed saying "I wish I had shitted on Marner more on HF".

 

[GoonieFace]

The best thing Mitch has done as a Leaf, saved this dumb management group by willingly leaving.