Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[leafs in five]

Help me understand.

I want the oil to win this

 

[Dekes For Days]

If offering $13.5m is a stupid game

Nobody said that.

Why?

Because losing one of the best players in the world for nothing is stupid and incompetent, especially when they had originally been eager to sign long term.

We have seen years and years of this core being playoff failures.

No we haven't. You just get angry that you don't get the outcome you want, misunderstand the cause, and then arbitrarily blame it on your scapegoat. Over 72% of our playoff goals this year were scored and/or primary assisted by the core 4. We were 21-16 at 5v5 with a core 4 member on the ice, against the toughest matchups, and 6-12 without them. They've been the least of our problems.

I honestly don’t understand the reasoning of just running it back again.

I honestly don't understand the reasoning of intentionally making our team worse.

 

[Canadian Finn]

f***.
is he gone yet?
he makes everything he touches, sees, and is around, worse.

 

[Amadeus]

He'd be a huge loss as all signs are pointing towards him leaving.

We've gotten spoiled a bit to see the influx of talent that came in with Nylander, Matthews and Marner along with Tavares. This team became a perennial playoff team with a lack of playoff success. No guarantee we will be better without Marner depending on the replacement.

Wish it could have been different because I honest think we have three of our best all time players playing for us right now. Would suck if Marner's departure is a bitter one for him and the city he grew up in, and the team he grew up cheering for.

 

[JKG33]

He'd be a huge loss as all signs are pointing towards him leaving.

We've gotten spoiled a bit to see the influx of talent that came in with Nylander, Matthews and Marner along with Tavares. This team became a perennial playoff team with a lack of playoff success. No guarantee we will be better without Marner depending on the replacement.

Wish it could have been different because I honest think we have three of our best all time players playing for us right now. Would suck if Marner's departure is a bitter one for him and the city he grew up in, and the team he grew up cheering for.

The team's overpaid these losers to underperform and youre saying the fans are spoiled? LMFAO

I hope the departure is as bitter and painful as possible for Marner. He was given the world. Every opportunity to become a star in his home town. And he blew it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He'd be a huge loss as all signs are pointing towards him leaving.

We've gotten spoiled a bit to see the influx of talent that came in with Nylander, Matthews and Marner along with Tavares. This team became a perennial playoff team with a lack of playoff success. No guarantee we will be better without Marner depending on the replacement.

Wish it could have been different because I honest think we have three of our best all time players playing for us right now. Would suck if Marner's departure is a bitter one for him and the city he grew up in, and the team he grew up cheering for.

Perennial playoff team, also a perennial playoff failure. I wish it could have been different too but when the pressure is on, Marner fades into nothingness. That's on Mr. Marner and nobody else.

If you want to talk about M&M being among the top three Leafs all-time, you need to put a big fat regular season asterix next to their names and while Nylander is the only one who produces in the playoffs, he's nowhere close to top 3 all-time either.

There is no guarantee we will be better without Marner - so what? When you look at how old our D is and how empty the cupboards are, the only thing guaranteed is that the team will be worse very soon with or without Marner so the question is, if we want to a last shot at winning the cup in the next or year or two, are our chances better with Marner, or trying something else? That answer is clear to me and anyone who thinks Marner might lead us to playoff success needs to lay off the pipe.

Marner has had more chances than I care to count of showing he's a big game player. He failed, end of story. Time to move on.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The team's overpaid these losers to underperform and youre saying the fans are spoiled? LMFAO

I hope the departure is as bitter and painful as possible for Marner. He was given the world. Every opportunity to become a star in his home town. And he blew it.

Yup. Thinking just making the playoffs is such a big deal that fans are spoiled just means that the bar has been set so low by some people that it's underground and you can't even see it any more.

Spoiled my ass.

 

[ToneDog]

He'd be a huge loss as all signs are pointing towards him leaving.

We've gotten spoiled a bit to see the influx of talent that came in with Nylander, Matthews and Marner along with Tavares. This team became a perennial playoff team with a lack of playoff success. No guarantee we will be better without Marner depending on the replacement.

Wish it could have been different because I honest think we have three of our best all time players playing for us right now. Would suck if Marner's departure is a bitter one for him and the city he grew up in, and the team he grew up cheering for.

We won't miss him in the playoffs. Tre needs to keep adding players that will do anything to win the SC (see Florida Panthers). He is the softest and weakest of the 3 amigos. He made his bed, now he has to lie in it.

Don't feel sorry for him. He will make his money and enjoy his summers off.

 

[ACC1224]

He'd be a huge loss as all signs are pointing towards him leaving.

We've gotten spoiled a bit to see the influx of talent that came in with Nylander, Matthews and Marner along with Tavares. This team became a perennial playoff team with a lack of playoff success. No guarantee we will be better without Marner depending on the replacement.

Wish it could have been different because I honest think we have three of our best all time players playing for us right now. Would suck if Marner's departure is a bitter one for him and the city he grew up in, and the team he grew up cheering for.

Refreshing to see a post here that isn't overly childish.
Hard to not agree with everything said.

 

[JKG33]

Refreshing to see a post here that isn't overly childish.
Hard to not agree with everything said.

The only thing childish is continuing to worship these players

 

[ULF_55]

I've used 40 games to include Max, but for playoffs all time Leafs:

marner is amongst top 5 P/GP in the playoffs.

As for scoring:

Top 35 goals per game.
Teammates: Nylander Top 7, Matthews Top 10.

Obviously, marner would have been part of his Top 10 teammates goals.

marner, if he leaves, will be missed.

His replacements are being discussed in other threads.

 

[Amadeus]

The only thing childish is continuing to worship these players

I don't have that level for love for these guys, but just speaking objectively, Marner is a horse in the regular season and plays a huge role in getting us into the playoffs.

With him gone, that's a lot of offense out and we have no idea how that will be replaced.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That’s a fanciful interpretation of events.

No it's not, and that's pretty rich coming from you.

More likely the management team pursued a number of scenarios, including trying to trade him in the rumoured Vegas swap, also tried to renegotiate with him to protect the asset, looked at the Rantanen trade as a last ditch deadline day offer to remake the team.

The funniest part is that your fanciful interpretation of events still has Treliving completely failing at everything.

To this day, having the Marner exit is not altogether the incorrect choice.

Losing Marner is the incorrect choice, and losing him in this way is worst case scenario.

Your opinion might be correct. But much of what you wrote is conjecture, and slanted against Treliving.

It's not slanted against anybody. It's valid criticisms of the person responsible. And while we don't know the exact specifics of the negotiation (despite some others pretending to), much of what I wrote was public. We know one thing for sure. Whatever the reason, Treliving failed.

Interesting, you never posted like this for Dubas.

He never lost one of the best players in the world for nothing.

 

[Stephen]

No it's not, and that's pretty rich coming from you.

The funniest part is that your fanciful interpretation of events still has Treliving completely failing at everything.

Losing Marner is the incorrect choice, and losing him in this way is worst case scenario.

It's not slanted against anybody. It's valid criticisms of the person responsible. And while we don't know the exact specifics of the negotiation (despite some others pretending to), much of what I wrote was public. We know one thing for sure. Whatever the reason, Treliving failed.

He never lost one of the best players in the world for nothing.

First of all, we don’t even know if the Toronto Maple Leafs want Mitch Marner under any circumstances or not.

Second of all, we don’t know if Mitch Marner wants to come back under any circumstances or not. Or when he would have made up his mind he wanted a change or not.

Third of all, we need a meeting of the minds between two parties to come to a contractual agreement.

So there’s no one sided point of failure here because Treliving can’t go through the Dekes approved steps to sign Mitch Marner.

So why wouldn’t you want your GM to swing for the fences and try for a Rantanen? Who cares if it hurts Marner’s feelings? It’s business.

And finally, everybody can see this is just some Dubas angle here. Let’s not forget he somehow managed to fumble Zach Hyman in free agency, lose Jake Guentzel in his prime because he had to get Erik Karlsson and didn’t even manage to get a first round pick back for Pittsburgh.

 

[JKG33]

I don't have that level for love for these guys, but just speaking objectively, Marner is a horse in the regular season and plays a huge role in getting us into the playoffs.

With him gone, that's a lot of offense out and we have no idea how that will be replaced.

The east is hilariously bad outside the state of Florida. The $12m+ can be spent on a collection of players that'll more than make up for the "loss" of Mitchy in the playoffs, while still being adequate in getting there

 

[Clark4Ever]

Wish it could have been different because I honest think we have three of our best all time players playing for us right now. Would suck if Marner's departure is a bitter one for him and the city he grew up in, and the team he grew up cheering for.

That is true, but some of it was self inflicted.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't have that level for love for these guys, but just speaking objectively, Marner is a horse in the regular season and plays a huge role in getting us into the playoffs.

With him gone, that's a lot of offense out and we have no idea how that will be replaced.

Yup his 8 goals in the last 6 years/8 playoff series will be difficult to replace. Forget his regular season 100 points. It is clear that teams do not treat a game in November against Nashville or Detroit the same way they treat playoff games (unless your name is Marner).

 

[notbias]

Marner still has a higher PPG... it's crazy that Bennett is putting up such good numbers and lower.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

First of all, we don’t even know if the Toronto Maple Leafs want Mitch Marner under any circumstances or not.

tried to trade him twice.

 

[leafs in five]

he makes everything he touches, sees, and is around, worse.

 

[notbias]

tried to trade him twice.

Reports of him being offered a contract and saying he is the top priority...

Clearly, they didn't want him.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Yup his 8 goals in the last 6 years/8 playoff series will be difficult to replace.

I vote all 5.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Reports of him being offered a contract and saying he is the top priority...

That was to hype up trade value.

Clearly, they didn't want him.

Correct.
Didn't want him at the overpay required.
If they really wanted him, he would have ALREADY have been signed. They clearly wanted Nylander MORE.

We have Nylander as the buttersoft winger. But he can carry his own in the playoffs - even playing with Lead Legs.

When he walks, it'll be clear the Leafs didn't want Marner.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

@ToneDog - we tried hard, but ultimately failed in getting Marner traded.
Shanahan suckage sucks.

 

[Mess]

I don't have that level for love for these guys, but just speaking objectively, Marner is a horse in the regular season and plays a huge role in getting us into the playoffs.

With him gone, that's a lot of offense out and we have no idea how that will be replaced.

Remember when ...

The Florida Panthers won the President's trophy in 2020-21 and disappointingly lost in round #2.

So they dealt their leading scorer Jonathan Huberdeau (2nd in League scoring with 115 points) to Calgary to change their DNA bringing in Matthew Tkachuk.

.

Many Leaf fans at that time thought the Florida would take a step back and goalie Bob contract would sink them for years.

However since that move Florida Panthers and been to the Stanley Cup finals 3 straight years, winning it all last year and 2 wins from repeating this year.

What have our Leafs achieved during the same time period running it back with the core 4 other than losing to those very same Panthers multiple times in the 2nd round.

What our GM appears to be doing is following that same game plan by walking away from a proven Marner (a small and ineffective playoff performer), despite being a 100 point and Leafs leading scoring (just like Huberdeau) and changing the DNA of the Leafs to be more Cup competitive.

Some of the best moves he might be able to make with the Marner Cap space in bring in current Florida Panthers like Sam Bennett, Brad Marchand and Aaron Ekblad

As the saying goes "History has a way of repeating itself" and the Leafs are attempting to follow the Florida game plan to turn around all their playoff failure into triumph and hopefully Cup success.

"There is nothing to fear but fear itself" is a famous quote from Franklin D. Roosevelt's