Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Aashir]

Yet this plug led the team in scoring by 20 points without even putting any effort in.
Imagine if he tried ?

And yet he couldn't lead them in the playoffs, in the second round, he couldn't even be better than max domi of all players lol.

Besides this is just a hyperbolic answer, He's put effort into the games, but marner hasn't put the effort in to better his game for the playoffs. He's built the same, scores the same, plays the same, responds the same and the results are the same.

in games 4-7 marner wasn't good enough
in years 3-7 marner wasn't good enough

Marner hasn't put in any effort to BETTER himself, he always reverts to the same timid ozone blueline play because he isn't built for playoff hockey down low. That's on him and his shortcomings are as obvious as matthews's or nylanders or JTs or rielly's

 

[ACC1224]

And yet he couldn't lead them in the playoffs, in the second round, he couldn't even be better than max domi of all players lol.

Besides this is just a hyperbolic answer, He's put effort into the games, but marner hasn't put the effort in to better his game for the playoffs. He's built the same, scores the same, plays the same, responds the same and the results are the same.

in games 4-7 marner wasn't good enough
in years 3-7 marner wasn't good enough

Marner hasn't put in any effort to BETTER himself, he always reverts to the same timid ozone blueline play because he isn't built for playoff hockey down low. That's on him and his shortcomings are as obvious as matthews's or nylanders or JTs or rielly's

He has shortcomings no doubt, like any other player. Effort has never been one of them.

 

[notdoneyet]

Mitch missed one game last year vs Calgary and Matthews and the PP looked good. Matthews needs to step up and earn his paycheck or he will get the heat if they fail for a 10th year in the playoffs. He has it in him but I lean with you and don't have much faith that he will release the beast within.

I hope he could at 6. 3. 225 but I just don’t think it’s in his nature. I wish he had a mean streak but he doesn’t

 

[Aashir]

He has shortcomings no doubt, like any other player. Effort has never been one of them.

those short comings are because he hasn't worked on his craft to improve it

he hasn't put any effort in to change the style that has played a large part in why the team is always out early

 

[ACC1224]

those short comings are because he hasn't worked on his craft to improve it

he hasn't put any effort in to change the style that has played a large part in why the team is always out early

Yet he puts up 100 points, imagine if he put in the effort.

 

[Aashir]

Yet he puts up 100 points, imagine if he put in the effort.

and then he had 13 in 13, with two goals

he had 1 goal and 5 points in 7 games

he had 8 shots in a 7 game series with a few being dump ins

You aren't new to the sport, so stop acting like it

 

[Trapper]

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I think people have finally had enough of this winger who seems to play more of a game akin to an offensive D come playoff time.
Is it a whipping boy narrative or are people just repulsed by his style of play in the postseason?

Is he a whipping boy if I hold them all responsible as individuals who shouldn’t lead a team in the playoffs?

 

[Gabriel426]

Waiting for CAPS LOCKS: ”They pay you for regular season, not playoffs”-comment

Sadly, Dari’s regular season stats are better than MM too.

But MM kills PK. Wait, Drai does that too.

MM is a playmaker.

 

[Craig Button]

This is all that matters.

Good thing he didn’t play for the Leafs.

But stop moving the goal post.

You went from not working hard to putting on weight to playing for a championship team.

Great
But that doesn’t prove anything I said was wrong.

I showed that Marner works hard.

If we had Mac instead of Marner
The Leafs would still be without a Cup.

If we had McDavid instead of Matthews The leafs would still be without a cup

 

[ACC1224]

and then he had 13 in 13, with two goals

he had 1 goal and 5 points in 7 games

he had 8 shots in a 7 game series with a few being dump ins

You aren't new to the sport, so stop acting like it

Thought you were better than that, carry on.

 

[Aashir]

Thought you were better than that, carry on.

huh?

He's been a 90-100 point player every season, im not disputing that. He's an elite player in the RS, one of the best. He has some physicality too.

he always struggled when the playoffs come, it's always the same, he reverts back.. back to the point player who is force feeding to matthews despite knowing that it won't work. also not going near the net, or the slot area because he gets outmuscled too early

with marner its rinse and repeat, so i don't get whats so bad saying he should've realized this deficiency in his game and made an effort to improve it. Whether it's through gaining muscle to play down low a bit more or to become more shoot first to not rely on a crappy matthews to finish.

 

[Stephen]

So he is basing it off of information from 4 years ago? Actually 5 years ago? How the hell would Barrie know how hard they work in 2025

How hard do you think they work?

People always talk up how skilled they are. If you married work into that equation what’s holding them back?

 

[Stephen]

Good thing he didn’t play for the Leafs.

But stop moving the goal post.

You went from not working hard to putting on weight to playing for a championship team.

Great
But that doesn’t prove anything I said was wrong.

I showed that Marner works hard.

If we had Mac instead of Marner
The Leafs would still be without a Cup.

If we had McDavid instead of Matthews The leafs would still be without a cup

Comparing Marner to McDavid is simply not applicable. There’s a big difference between losing Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals vs getting blown out 6-1 back to back at home. And that’s the best result this group has ever had.

Marner is a little hustle around the ice two way player. Sure. Doesn’t mean he trains especially hard compared to other hockey players who possess elite talent. If he was serious about success, you mean to tell me he wouldn’t have found some time to get bigger, stronger, more explosive some time between 2016 and 2025 and changed what was a disadvantage?

The result simply don’t line up. You can’t claim to be so talented, work so hard, fail so spectacularly and all those things can be true at the same time. I see the talent and failure. I don’t see the same work ethic commensurate to other stars.

 

[HockeyVirus]

How hard do you think they work?

People always talk up how skilled they are. If you married work into that equation what’s holding them back?

I believe they are a team with basically hockey PTSD and together when the moment gets big they collectively shrink and succumb to it. The mix had to be changed many years ago.

Also the team around them has been heavily flawed in at least 1 way each year as well.

 

[Stephen]

I believe they are a team with basically hockey PTSD and together when the moment gets big they collectively shrink and succumb to it. The mix had to be changed many years ago.

Also the team around them has been heavily flawed in at least 1 way each year as well.

Yeah I agree there’s a degree of PTSD here and things need to be shaken up.

But we also have to remember they could have authored something different every year and the original trauma came from them dicking around on the premise of their elite skill being superior and getting burned every year. I concede the adults in the room were not the best, but man. Watching these guys play is the trauma.

 

[Craig Button]

This year marner wouldn't even be top 25 in takeaways last year or the year prior. Did the nhl players just not work as hard this year?

What does anything you brough up have to do with marner not working hard.

Out of the core 4, he works the second hardest on the ice, after JT (funny how these two are the most hated, but they also make the stupidest/most invisible plays), yet off the ice marner has been lacking compared to the others

Marner came into the league weak....he's still weak

Marner came into the league as a bad goal scorer....and he still can't score come playoff time

Marner hasn't changed his style even though he knows it directly leads to his criticisms and hate

nylander for all his warts put on a lot of muscle and changed his style to be a bit more direct and less curl back than 16-17, 17-18 and 18-19. It's too bad he decides to not use it 50% of the time.

Matthews added one-timers, and tips to his arsenal over the years. Too bad he forgets it all come playoffs.

They all lack the extra gear it takes to be great.

That has to be the dumbest thing I ever read on HFBoards

Congrats

Last season Malkin led the league in Takeaways and the year prior it was Marner.

my gawd man

This guy.

Great stuff man
Great stuff

Take a bow

 

[exporta]

We are all going to regret seeing him go, its just how it goes for Leafs fans.

He should have been a career Leaf.

 

[Gallagbi]

We're absolutely going to overpay this summer. It's going to be a shit show.

It'll be the biggest summer since Clarkson, Bolland and Bernier

 

[Aashir]

That has to be the dumbest thing I ever read on HFBoards

Congrats

Last season Malkin led the league in Takeaways and the year prior it was Marner.

my gawd man

This guy.

Great stuff man
Great stuff

Take a bow

couldn't answer the question but I didn't expect much from you

did the nhl players work less this year? 59 vs 90 leads the league for forwards

you used takeaways as an indicator lol, something something pot calling kettle black

 

[Maple Leaf]

Marner leaving for nothing is a disaster for asset management.

I don't care what they do but we MUST make lemonade and lock up Knies to 7 or 8 years. We've been given a chance to get insane value on the back end of that deal and a bridge to Knies would be so short sighted now that we have the cap.

That is why the leafs are screwed no matter what they do

 

[Confucius]

That is why the leafs are screwed no matter what they do

Pickup nobody if they are all overpays. We’ll have plenty of cap room to go for it at the next trade deadline.

 

[Antropovsky]

RNH is soft yet he is helping tearing the Dallas Stars apart. 2 goals and 7 primary assists in 4 games in round #3.

Yep... but if he was making 11-13 sheets, e the Oilers would probably be struggling. Marner is closer to an RDH for a cup run than a Draisaitl.

 

[Gabriel426]

how can anyone sit here and think bringing them back is a great idea as they are CLOSE is in complete denial.

Like let’s say the Leafs manage to resign MM, JT and Knies for their cap hit this past season, while guys like Lorentz, Holmberg, Max and Robbie resigns for the same amount, and the Leafs managed to trade Kampf, Calle and Reaves for picks and free up cap space.

Leafs will have about 4mil or so to spend on player(s). Let’s say Connor Brown and Tanev signs for that amount and bumping one of Holmberg or Robbie out of the Leafs lineup.

Is the Leafs with Brown and Tanev good enough to win the Cup?

if the Core 5 is untouched, past playoffs had shown that Leafs have very little chance to win the Cup as the Core 5 just can’t do it.

Let’s say Ekblad, Bennett, Marchessault, Brown and Tanev are all wanting to play for the Leafs

Would it be easier to do by not resigning MM and JT while trading Reilly or resigning MM and JT then asking Willie, Domi and Reilly to all waive for trades?

For those who kept saying Leafs need to sign MM…what is your possible solutions to build the Leafs that can win the Cup?

 

[Dragao6]

Overpay but 1 year deals and trade at deadline to get some picks

And throw everything at 97
He’s almost going to cup final on his own!!

 

[Craig Button]

couldn't answer the question but I didn't expect much from you

did the nhl players work less this year? 59 vs 90 leads the league for forwards

you used takeaways as an indicator lol, something something pot calling kettle black

Buddy you are totally clueless and ask such stupid questions

I used takeaways and pk and hits. A hard working player can’t lead all forwards in Takeaways. Can’t have the most PK time in the top players. And also score 100 points.

I can answer your question.
It’s NO.

It’s just a really stupid question.

You’re the Graham Hancock and Terrence Howard of Hockey fans