Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[notbias]

I loved him here. Forechecked hard, got the puck to his high scoring linemates and scored at nearly a 30 goal pace. All for $2.25M. His issue was the knee injury he incurred just before the playoffs. They bailed on him too early. As soon as they traded him they were looking for his replacement.Now he’s further developed his scoring skills but that had already begun as a Leaf and he’s a bargain at $5M.

Okay, so he was good or bad here?

Let's discuss his results.

13 points in 32 games with only 5 goals.

 

[Ports]

Okay, so he was good or bad here?

Let's discuss his results.

13 points in 32 games with only 5 goals.

 

[Ports]

His last three seasons as a Leaf, he averaged over 29 goals per 82. What do you expect for $2.25M ?

 

[notbias]

His last three seasons as a Leaf, he averaged over 29 goals per 82. What do you expect for $2.25M ?

I am glad playoffs matter, sometimes, thanks for proving what I already knew about you, style of play is more important than production, you like the players more and think that is more important than what they do on the ice.

 

[ToneDog]

Again, I apologize as I can't give you any details because this site (rightfully) requires a person to source where they are getting information if they are offering up, but I will say this: If Mitch Marner leaves the Maple Leafs this summer, it's because he wants to go, not because the Maple Leafs are moving on from him.

If they give him $13.5m, he'll be begging to be traded this time next year after he plays like a chihuahua in the playoffs for a 10th time. Honestly I can't believe the Leafs would be stupid enough to bring him back after what the fans (and Pelley himself) witnessed in games 5 and 7 and I do not believe Marner wants to take most of the heat any longer.

 

[ACC1224]

Why are we debating Hyman in a thread dedicated to irrational Marner hate?
Shirley there must be a better suited thread for such debate.

 

[banks]

Again, I apologize as I can't give you any details because this site (rightfully) requires a person to source where they are getting information if they are offering up, but I will say this: If Mitch Marner leaves the Maple Leafs this summer, it's because he wants to go, not because the Maple Leafs are moving on from him.

That sounds accurate. Because, despite the no-show in another game 7, everyone related to the organization is still singing his praises.

There's no question that Marner is a good hockey player. He's a unique talent that wouldn't be easy to replace. So I can understand why the organization isn't as quick to move on as fans, like myself, would like. It's an uncomfortable truth for fans that would rather he not come back.

It probably is up to Marner if he wants to return or play elsewhere. I hope Marner reads HF, and that he's feeling particularly vulnerable when he gets to any of my recent posts. Because they almost all end the same way. Go away, Mitch, and don't come back!

 

[ToneDog]

I loved him here. Forechecked hard, got the puck to his high scoring linemates and scored at nearly a 30 goal pace. All for $2.25M. His issue was the knee injury he incurred just before the playoffs. They bailed on him too early. As soon as they traded him they were looking for his replacement.Now he’s further developed his scoring skills but that had already begun as a Leaf and he’s a bargain at $5M.

Hyman has outproduced his contract every year in Edmonton and in Toronto. Shame Shanny and Dubas could not see who the true playoff performers were. I can see it for Dubas but WFT was Shanny thinking?

 

[banks]

If they give him $13.5m, he'll be begging to be traded this time next year after he plays like a chihuahua in the playoffs for a 10th time. Honestly I can't believe the Leafs would be stupid enough to bring him back after what the fans (and Pelley himself) witnessed in games 5 and 7 and I do not believe Marner wants to take most of the heat any longer.

It honestly looked and felt like Marner was relieved to lose game 7 and be done with the whole thing. He didn't have a single moment that looked like he was desperate for this season to continue. He knows he can't handle it here.

 

[ToneDog]

That sounds accurate. Because, despite the no-show in another game 7, everyone related to the organization is still singing his praises.

There's no question that Marner is a good hockey player. He's a unique talent that wouldn't be easy to replace. So I can understand why the organization isn't as quick to move on as fans, like myself, would like. It's an uncomfortable truth for fans that would rather he not come back.

It probably is up to Marner if he wants to return or play elsewhere. I hope Marner reads HF, and that he's feeling particularly vulnerable when he gets to any of my recent posts. Because the almost all end the same way. Go away, Mitch, and don't come back!

Running it back should no longer be an option. Now if they consider not bring Tavares back, not running it back then I pity them. Sign Marner and then you have to trade 34 or 88. Fans are tired of this f***ing rerun with the same soft, overpaid, selfish, unlikeable, perimeter players

 

[ToneDog]

It honestly looked and felt like Marner was relieved to lose game 7 and be done with the whole thing. He didn't have a single moment that looked like he was desperate for this season to continue. He knows he can't handle it here.

Agreed, yelling at his teammates to wake the f*** up was all he had. Seems fitting after throwing his hissy fit last year.

 

[FerrisRox]

If they give him $13.5m, he'll be begging to be traded this time next year after he plays like a chihuahua in the playoffs for a 10th time. Honestly I can't believe the Leafs would be stupid enough to bring him back after what the fans (and Pelley himself) witnessed in games 5 and 7 and I do not believe Marner wants to take most of the heat any longer.

Personally, I would absolutely let him walk. But if you told me right now to place a bet on what team he will be playing with when the puck drops on opening night, without question my bet would be the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[FerrisRox]

That sounds accurate. Because, despite the no-show in another game 7, everyone related to the organization is still singing his praises.

There's no question that Marner is a good hockey player. He's a unique talent that wouldn't be easy to replace. So I can understand why the organization isn't as quick to move on as fans, like myself, would like. It's an uncomfortable truth for fans that would rather he not come back.

It probably is up to Marner if he wants to return or play elsewhere. I hope Marner reads HF, and that he's feeling particularly vulnerable when he gets to any of my recent posts. Because the almost all end the same way. Go away, Mitch, and don't come back!

I believe there are a couple of organizations, that if they made the right offer, Marner would seriously consider making a new start with. But if those opportunities don't materialize, or they aren't in the dollar/term range he wants, I have no doubt in my mind he will circle back to Toronto.

The game of chicken, however, is that I don't think the Maple Leafs will have a pending offer that is good beyond the opening of free agency. I don't think the Maple Leafs are willing to do what the Blue Jays just did with Juan Soto where they put out an offer, and then they wait for a couple of weeks for the player to make a choice. If Marner hasn't agreed to re-up by the opening of free agency, then the Leafs are going to move forward allotting at least some of that cap space elsewhere.

 

[ToneDog]

Personally, I would absolutely let him walk. But if you told me right now to place a bet on what team he will be playing with when the puck drops on opening night, without question my bet would be the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I'm taking the field. I honestly can't believe they still think this core can win. Of course I am assuming they are not here to sell jerseys.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Running it back should no longer be an option. Now if they consider not bring Tavares back, not running it back then I pity them. Sign Marner and then you have to trade 34 or 88. Fans are tired of this f***ing rerun with the same soft, overpaid, selfish, unlikeable, perimeter players

For fans on this forum, maybe. For fans who renew at over 99% every year, probably not so much. In a way the Leafs are Teflon no matter what they do.

 

[Tak7]

Listening to one of the recent CJ podcasts, he refused to outright say Marner is gone 100%. Now I'd say the safer bet at this point is that it's happening, but there's probably slightly higher odds that he may stay than we think (even if it's only like 10-20ish %). The 8th year is a big advantage to any offer in terms of dollars in his bank account, and you never know how emotions are going to be like ina. Few weeks once things settle down a bit



In the earlier winter, Mirtle said the Leafs were hoping to keep it under 13.2, so having a last offer at 13.5 before the tdl isn't a total stretch.

I'd have it far lower than that - less than 10%.

The 2 sides will talk once more, and it'll probably be in a week or two when more of the emotion and anger surrounding the season has dissipated.

But for the first time ever, I really think the Leafs as an organization have begun to question their appetite for wanting to try this again. When it comes to negotiations, that often means a pretty significant lowball, bordering on insulting.

Plus, even if the Leafs wanted to bring him back - this is probably the first time that operationally, they'll feel like they might not even be able to. To bring him back would be very bad for business: you simply do not want a repeat of that fan mutiny that we saw in game 7. Those images were horrible, and nothing does more to put off potential players and staff from your organization than seeing that multiple times.

 

[seventieslord]

Now if they consider not bring Tavares back, not running it back then I pity them. Sign Marner and then you have to trade 34 or 88.

I'm not in favor of this per se, but if Trev manages to pull this off, then we end up with massive change (2 of the core 4 gone) and don't lose a superstar for nothing. It might be the best case scenario.

 

[Fogelhund]

Hyman has outproduced his contract every year in Edmonton and in Toronto. Shame Shanny and Dubas could not see who the true playoff performers were. I can see it for Dubas but WFT was Shanny thinking?

That we didn't have enough cap room to give him $5 mil anyway... sad but true.

That sounds accurate. Because, despite the no-show in another game 7, everyone related to the organization is still singing his praises.

I think the Leafs are doing PR, more often than they are being honest. Yes, they are singing his praise, but I think they aren't going to offer him what he's looking for, and then say... he took more elsewhere, it's not our fault, to avoid blowback. Of course any team would want Marner, or to get him back... but at what price? Sure, he's worth a lot as a 100 point regular season player.. but he's not much more than a $6 million dollar playoff guy so far. Plus we need change... so you offer him what his current contract is, say nice things, and then wish him the best when other teams easily beat that offer.

 

[banks]

That we didn't have enough cap room to give him $5 mil anyway... sad but true.



I think the Leafs are doing PR, more often than they are being honest. Yes, they are singing his praise, but I think they aren't going to offer him what he's looking for, and then say... he took more elsewhere, it's not our fault, to avoid blowback. Of course any team would want Marner, or to get him back... but at what price? Sure, he's worth a lot as a 100 point regular season player.. but he's not much more than a $6 million dollar playoff guy so far. Plus we need change... so you offer him what his current contract is, say nice things, and then wish him the best when other teams easily beat that offer.

Prayer hands.

 

[Fogelhund]

Prayer hands.

I thought he should have been traded last off season. I proposed Shane Wright, Bjorkstrand and their first... use the first for Sam Dickinson.

I suggested Seattle really could use a star, and some offense.... This year, they had no star, and the most anyone on the roster put up, was 61 points.

Wright ended up putting up 44 points, in 79 games... and will likely approach 60 this year... if they get some quality players.. might top out around 70 points with the right guys... it would have given us a good 2C for the future, and temporary RW in Bjork... and a guy in Dickinson who I think will be a really good D man. 6'3" Dman, who put up 91 points in the OHL this year... He would have been a good replacement for Rielly.

I think the writing was clearly on the wall last year.... some would say before that, but he should have been moved before the NMC clause kicked in.

 

[hullsy47]

Would be wild if he signed to a non playoffs.team and then didn't make it.

He wont be the same .
The leafs tried to sign him 3 time since last june
He didnt want to sign

 

[FerrisRox]

I think the writing was clearly on the wall last year.... some would say before that, but he should have been moved before the NMC clause kicked in.

Timing-wise, it was an awfully tough spot for Treliving. He was hired and then had a month before the No Trade kicked in.

I suspect, as a brand new general manager, moving out a core player would require discussions with the upper brass and all kinds of talks with the front office team for what kind of return they should be targeting, what teams might be interested in such a transaction, and, as a brand new GM making your first move of consequence as the trade of a core player, he set himself up for a rather polarizing introduction to the market.

And then, on top of that, he would have to juggle all of that with a slew of meetings and discussions with his scouting staff, many of whom he would be just meeting for the first time, to prepare for the draft and see what direction they were looking at going in.

To make a trade of that scale, a franchise altering deal, with those limitations and challenges couldn't have been an easy proposition.

 

[Gabriel426]

Let me ask this question,
Let’s say MM actually plays for another team and hitting UFA this summer, would you want Leafs to sign him?

 

[Clark4Ever]

Let me ask this question,
Let’s say MM actually plays for another team and hitting UFA this summer, would you want Leafs to sign him?

It would depend on the needs of our team at the time and his asking price.

If we had a similarly constructed team and he was asking for 13 to 14 million per season, my answer would be a hard no.

I would still be advocating to add elements that this team is sorely lacking in free agency.

 

[Gabriel426]

It would depend on the needs of our team at the time and his asking price.

If we had a similarly constructed team and he was asking for 13 to 14 million per season, my answer would be a hard no.

I would still be advocating to add elements that this team is sorely lacking in free agency.

So the answer is NO.