Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[IPS]

I miss the Marner PR crew.

I recall being told that they were 5 and 2 these playoffs. They ended 7 and 6 and on the first tee.

I think they're more active in the Nylander thread now trying to do damage control over there trying to tell everyone how terrible our leading scorer in the playoffs was.

Mitch has some very, very dedicated fans.

 

[Smif]

I think they're more active in the Nylander thread now trying to do damage control over there trying to tell everyone how terrible our leading scorer in the playoffs was.

Mitch has some very, very dedicated fans.

You could choose any thread really. Who played well in the last 4 games?

What makes me seem like a fanboy is really only the fact that he didn't fail harder than anyone else on this team but 5 people in here only hyper focus on one guy.

 

[Smif]

He just wasn't ever a 11m playoff player. He will never be a 13.5m player and most certainly never be a 15.5m player.

He was extremely greedy and got burned.

If he was never a 11M player how did Matthews look at 13.25M this year?

 

[Tak7]

He single handedly screwed the Leafs' future by declining the Rantanen trade. And then this year he proved yet again he's a no-show when the playoff series turns tough. GET OUT...

He was well within his right to use a clause in his contract to evoke trade protection, which was fairly negotiated into his current deal in good faith.

He was under no obligation to waive. He also had a pregnant wife due to deliver in a matter of weeks - not many players would waive in that situation. Plus, he's also in a contract year, was about to put up 100 points, and go into the playoffs as division winners, potentially ready for a big post-season.

The idea that he should have waived is nonsense.

Screwing the Leafs future was not dealing him before the NMC kicked in in 2023.

Whatever your thoughts are on Kyle Dubas, he was the only person affiliated with that entire organization that had the balls to trade him, and the mere suggestion that he might have, got him fired by Shanahan who was adamant this core could work together.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Can't believe he turned down 18.8x6

 

[Madap]

If he was never a 11M player how did Matthews look at 13.25M this year?

Looked like shit, not sure if you noticed but Matthews is getting a ton of heat as well with many people wanting to trade him.

Unlike Marner, he’s signed at least, has won multiple individual trophies while playing at a high level that Marner couldn’t even dream about, and as recent as this series at least shown he could step up and put the team on his back (game 6). He was also injured throughout the year and in the playoffs, which personally i still think is a bullshit excuse but it’s certainly not an excuse they’re using for Marner.

Marner has been the biggest failure relative to expectations over the last 8 years and the fact that people still defend him is insane. He’s not the only problem, but he’s the biggest single problem and one of the few we could easily deal with at the moment.

 

[Martin Skoula]

You gotta understand that these same Marner fanboys were taunting the "haters" for years saying Marner's gonna re-sign for huge money in Toronto, Leaf for life, first ballot HoF'er, his name / number in the rafters etc and the haters will just "froth" the entire time.

Seeing how it's gonna end with Mitch embarrassing himself right out the door I'm gonna expect the coping is going to look quite pathetic. This was a terrible player to invest your faith in.

There’s still plenty of time for Mitch to one up himself. A second letter to Toronto is going to hit the building any moment, his signing press conference in Utah is likely going to be full of gems and wisdom.

 

[thewave]

If he was never a 11M player how did Matthews look at 13.25M this year?

He has 3 Rockets. Everyone was paying him on his 69 goal season which he was at like 80 goal pace when signed.

It's apples and oranges. He is also a C and made Captain. We can argue his big game days lacking as well but he is a different class of player.

If Mitch was a failed Carolina hurricane player and asked for 15.5m in free agency, would you pay him? 14m? 13.5m? Rantanen just chose Dallas 12m over you the day before.

 

[Mess]

I think they're more active in the Nylander thread now trying to do damage control over there trying to tell everyone how terrible our leading scorer in the playoffs was.

Mitch has some very, very dedicated fans.

This board does have some dedicated loyal Marner fans, but not sure they're really Leafs fans that want to see this team win championships?

It appears dedicated Marner fans seem fixated on regular season results only, while singing his praises, while dedicated Leaf fans focused primarily on playoff and real season results in hopes of hoisting a Cup, have to endure his endless failures.

Case in point Marner fans boast about 100 point regular season achievements that lead to Leafs winning their Div to gain home ice advantage. Then diehard Leaf fans had to witness embarrassing 6-1 blowouts in game #5 and #7 on home ice while Marner disappeared from the boxscore with ZERO .. goals, assists, points, shots on net, etc but managed still a -4 +/- on giveaways on opposition goals against..

You really hate to see it.

I think its time after 9 painful playoff years after scoring a mere 13 playoff goals, which doesn't even crack the top 100 players during that time, while demanding one of the highest salaries in the league to take his PUCK and move on, in the best interest of BOTH sides.

 

[Trapper]

If he was never a 11M player how did Matthews look at 13.25M this year?

They can both go. Marner walks, Matthews asked to waive for rebuild. If Tavares wants to stay to finish his career in Toronto and sell some 91 jerseys, so be it.

 

[IPS]

This board does have some dedicated Marner, but not sure they're really Leafs fans that want to see this team win championships?

It appears dedicated Marner fans seem fixated on regular season results only, while singing his praises, while dedicated Leaf fans focused primarily on playoff and real season results in hopes of hoisting a Cup, have to endure his endless failures.

Case in point Marner fans boast about 100 point regular season achievements that lead to Leafs winning their Div to gain home ice advantage. Then diehard Leaf fans had to witness embarrassing 6-1 blowouts in game #5 and #7 on home ice while Marner disappeared from the boxscore with ZERO .. goals, assists, points, shots on net, etc but managed still a -4 +/- on giveaways on opposition goals against..

You really hate to see it.

I think its time after 9 painful playoff years after scoring a mere 13 playoff goals, which doesn't even crack the top 100 players during that time, while demanding one of the highest salaries in the league to take his PUCK and move on, in the best interest of BOTH sides.

If the rumours were true, and he was declining 13.5 x 8 (we dodged a bullet there!) then it's confirmed Marner fully views himself as a comparable of Draisaitl.

You don't just disappear in games like that and think you're comparable to Drai. You just cannot deal with a player like this who has this overinflated sense of value to that level of delusion.

 

[banks]

It's depressing, because Marner's story looked like it was going to be amazing. A hometown talent, a real Leafs fan turned superstar. If he had helped them win a Cup he'd be talked about as one of the greatest Leafs of all time, and would have undoubtedly had a statue on Legends Row eventually.

But he prioritized earnings over legacy. He fought harder in contract negotiations than in playoff games. And now he's going to walk without ever accomplishing anything as a Leaf. What a wasted opportunity.

Go away, Mitch. Don't come back. We want a team-player and a winner, not a selfish money grubbing loser. Have fun at your banner-raising ceremony in Utah when you retire, knowing you took the lazy money instead of being a Leafs great.

 

[Tak7]

If the rumours were true, and he was declining 13.5 x 8 (we dodged a bullet there!) then it's confirmed Marner fully views himself as a comparable of Draisaitl.

You don't just disappear in games like that and think you're comparable to Drai. You just cannot deal with a player like this who has this overinflated sense of value to that level of delusion.

In the long run, I hope we look back at this and conclude that it was Mitch Marner, not the Toronto Maple Leafs, that saved themselves from Mitch Marner.

How different do the last 72 hours feel if Marner inked that extension, and then disappeared again? Wow

 

[bodechek]

It is time to move on from Mitch Marner, let him take a huge pay raise from a desperate team and consume a large portion of their salary cap.

Marner will help a team get to the playoffs, but will not get you to a Stanley Cup final.

 

[Mess]

If the rumours were true, and he was declining 13.5 x 8 (we dodged a bullet there!) then it's confirmed Marner fully views himself as a comparable of Draisaitl.

You don't just disappear in games like that and think you're comparable to Drai. You just cannot deal with a player like this who has this overinflated sense of value to that level of delusion.

Draisail is in the last year of his $8.5 mil deal, while Marner is playing out his $11.9 mil.

Leafs are currently paying Marner a ridiculous +$3.4 mil more per season.

Here are their playoff results in direct comparison.

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Draisaitl goals totals place him #1 and his points #3 overall. While Marner is #101 in goals and #33 in points.

Draisaitl is about to begin his new contract in 2025-26 that pays him $14,0 mil AAV the highest in the NHL, while Marner is seeking a similar contract also beginning this upcoming season also.

HOW IN THE HELL is this possible that any GM on the planet would see these players as equals and comparables?.

This time round Leon Draisaitl should be the one making +$3.4 mil more per season in comparison, which means Marner should actually be taking a pay cut down to $10.6 mil on his next deal.

 

[sunstersun]

Draisail is in the last year of his $8.5 mil deal, while Marner is playing out his $11.9 mil.

Leafs are currently paying Marner a ridiculous +$3.4 mil more per season.

Here are their playoff results in direct comparison.

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Draisaitl goals totals place him #1 and his points #3 overall. While Marner is #101 in goals and #33 in points.
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Draisaitl is about to begin his new contract in 2025-26 that pays him $14,0 mil AAV the highest in the NHL, while Marner is seeking a similar contract also beginning this upcoming season also.

HOW IN THE HELL is this possible that any GM on the planet would see these players as equals and comparables?.

This time round Leon Draisaitl should be the one making +$3.4 mil more per season in comparison.

We see this all the time in the NFL with QB contracts. It sucks, because if you're on the wrong end of the relative overpay it's a disaster.

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't see him as the issue, I see him as the scapegoat.

Look around the league at the playoff scoring this year, there's like 10 players that are PPG, not only that but he's also in 7th in overall playoff scoring. Always playing against the best players and with a centre thay couldn't shoot and hasn't been right in two consecutive playoff series now.

This whole time we needed the cap to rise for our top heavy contracts to make sense and it's just about to, it will finally balance next year with a major increase and JT's 11M off the books.

He is not the only issue but certainly one on the Leafs.
Just don’t see how a team with Three 10mil plus forwards of AM, Willie and MM can win a Cup. If those three 10mil plus forwards are Mack, McD and Rantanen, sure.
If is up to me, I would let MM walks and also trade AM.

 

[Gabriel426]

Well he turned down 13.5 x 8.

So turning down 13.5, I would assume his ask is 14.

So yes, he does in fact believe he is fully comparable to Draisaitl.

That’s a rumor though and it was from Dreger. Won’t believe it

 

[Gabriel426]

Draisail is in the last year of his $8.5 mil deal, while Marner is playing out his $11.9 mil.

Leafs are currently paying Marner a ridiculous +$3.4 mil more per season.

Here are their playoff results in direct comparison.

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vs.
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Draisaitl goals totals place him #1 and his points #3 overall. While Marner is #101 in goals and #33 in points.

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Draisaitl is about to begin his new contract in 2025-26 that pays him $14,0 mil AAV the highest in the NHL, while Marner is seeking a similar contract also beginning this upcoming season also.

HOW IN THE HELL is this possible that any GM on the planet would see these players as equals and comparables?.

This time round Leon Draisaitl should be the one making +$3.4 mil more per season in comparison, which means Marner should actually be taking a pay cut down to $10.6 mil on his next deal.

But but MM is a great PKer and plays 200 ft, lol

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Folks NHL pays out on regular season points .. it has been this way since Bettman/Jacobs and their CBA came into affect to equalize all teams and keep da weaker financial teams afloat .. otherwise most of da southern and western teams would have went belly up already .. and even now teams like florida and tampa struggle to pay bills by year end .. they need these playoff games for cash to start next season .. and players know what is going on so they know they can't demand more cash from these teams .. it just isn't there to give .. and they know a very few teams like Leafs Rangers Habs and Vegas have enormous sums of cash so they demand more from them .. bottom line if Utah decides to pay Mitch 14-15M per to make da playoffs it is purely a rich guy owner getting personal glory to make da playoffs .. he will soon realize they will only get 2 playoff games at gate maybe 3 before da dream dies for next 7 years .. clearly not worth his personal investment

 

[centipede2233]

Shanahan is a moron to not trade marner when he had the chance, he quadrupled down, and he lost. Take your items, please leave by Friday. Good riddance!

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Oh, they’re really busy!

 

[yubbers]

He was well within his right to use a clause in his contract to evoke trade protection, which was fairly negotiated into his current deal in good faith.

He was under no obligation to waive. He also had a pregnant wife due to deliver in a matter of weeks - not many players would waive in that situation. Plus, he's also in a contract year, was about to put up 100 points, and go into the playoffs as division winners, potentially ready for a big post-season.

The idea that he should have waived is nonsense.

Screwing the Leafs future was not dealing him before the NMC kicked in in 2023.

Whatever your thoughts are on Kyle Dubas, he was the only person affiliated with that entire organization that had the balls to trade him, and the mere suggestion that he might have, got him fired by Shanahan who was adamant this core could work together.

Dubas gave him the NMC

LOL. Your imaginary trades are funny though

 

[KAWAIlllI]

You could choose any thread really. Who played well in the last 4 games?

What makes me seem like a fanboy is really only the fact that he didn't fail harder than anyone else on this team but 5 people in here only hyper focus on one guy.

It makes sense. For years, Marner’s been a huge playoffs dud, and this year he held out on signing a new deal with you guys until after the playoffs, knowing well that this playoff run would be very scrutinised. Ofc he disappears again, but this time he was directly responsible for 3-4 goals in the last few games, and had the audacity to call out others on his team for not performing, when he himself had like 3 shots on goal and highlight turnovers in the last 4 games.

He has an A on his jersey. He believes that he should be paid like the best players in the league. He markets himself as a hometown hero, so why doesn’t he sign a team friendly deal instead of putting his team and fans in this position? He did not deliver on his last deal. He did not change the narrative that he’s a playoff ghost. He’s blaming others than himself.

And now, if I read this correctly, M&M are calling out Nylander, of all people. He’s a little kid, tailing his big bro Matthews, and I can’t understand why any leaf fan would want him after all this time.

 

[Mess]

Marner has nobody to blame but himself for this current contract situation.

It was his own pure GREED $$ on the last massive over-payment contract that he should have agreed to 8 year term and not just 6. Had he taken full term he would still be under contract to the Leafs for 2 more years beyond this one, with a full NMC and nothing the Leafs could do.

However now after his annual poor playoff performances, and early Leaf exits, while desiring change have given the Leafs organization a glorious golden opportunity to walk away free and clear.

Anyone with eyes can see that Marner is poorly equipped based on size and style of play to be successful in tight checking, hard hitting, physical playoff Cup winning style hockey and becomes one of those "TOO many passengers" that we all just witnessed and keep hearing about as the cause for the end results,

After an unsuccessful trade attempt for Rantanen 1-1 that would have been a grand slam home run for Leafs Nation fans, not only in player upgrade and point production and contribution, but also based on 8 years @$12 mil next contract he just signed.

Any smart GM, based on current player contract ask, should lock the doors, change the locks and shut out the lights until Marner goes away. IMO