Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[thewave]

Lol welcome to playing with typical hockey linemates and not one of the nest goal scorers ever to play the game.

This is why you dont pay 13% of the cap to a one dimensional offensive player.

Mackinnon, Mcdavid, even Kucherov are capable scorers and passers.

Marner cant adjust to scorer... hell he cant even manage a damn shot on net.

And im noy seeing Marner set up Matthews like your stating here. Wristing floaters from the blueline isnt a high danger set up.

If he was setting up his linemates as much as you imply... Berube wouldnt be critical of his play to the press.

He also can't fix strength, speed, PO hockey IQ. Shot speed, determination etc. those are all areas where Marner comes undone in the PO. When the pressures on it's like a spaghetti cannon going off in the face of the crowd. Shambles McDud.

Still. I hope he has a big game 5 6 and 7 if needed. I do want to win.

 

[theTTC]

A healthy Matthews is absolutely a game breaker what are you talking about?

And what is this famous "injury"? Matty played in all 4 nations games, did not take a few games off just before playoffs to recoup, and was not placed on a pre-playoff month long IR (like Florida et al do to be able to pad their salary cap). Did he incur "injury" in the Ottawa series? Because I don't remember that being pointed out by eagle-eye pundits.

I guess its a new Paschal Mystery, part of God's plan. I say, with respect and humour, maybe the Pope will tackle this one on our behalf, to get to the bottom of it.

 

[Antropovsky]

He also can't fix strength, speed, PO hockey IQ. Shot speed, determination etc. those are all areas where Marner comes undone in the PO. When the pressures on it's like a spaghetti cannon going off in the face of the crowd.

Lol... "spaghetti" — first time I've heard that term.

Even when he attacks the net, it looks like he's doing it because he's been told to, not because he actually wants to. When I've seen him do it, he looks highly focused on avoiding danger. He'll skate into the net battle... but he's leaning back and dramatically snapping his body out of the way at the slightest movement of a stick above the ice. He doesn't even look like he's trying to find the puck.

In scrums... ever since Berube arrived, I've noticed he no longer completely ignores the group. This year, he'll gently skate behind an opponent and sort of hold onto them softly, like he's trying to camouflage himself.

Ive never seen a player so terrified of injury/physkcal play.

 

[DarkKnight]

And what is this famous "injury"? Matty played in all 4 nations games, did not take a few games off just before playoffs to recoup, and was not placed on a pre-playoff month long IR (like Florida et al do to be able to pad their salary cap). Did he incur "injury" in the Ottawa series? Because I don't remember that being pointed out by eagle-eye pundits.

I guess its a new Paschal Mystery, part of God's plan. I say, with respect and humour, maybe the Pope will tackle this one on our behalf, to get to the bottom of it.

How many series has the game breaker dominated? The same clowns shitting on Marner in the playoffs are defending Matthews the "game breaker". This thread is a circle jerk.

 

[thewave]

And what is this famous "injury"? Matty played in all 4 nations games, did not take a few games off just before playoffs to recoup, and was not placed on a pre-playoff month long IR (like Florida et al do to be able to pad their salary cap). Did he incur "injury" in the Ottawa series? Because I don't remember that being pointed out by eagle-eye pundits.

I guess its a new Paschal Mystery, part of God's plan. With respect and humour, maybe the Pope will tackle this one on our behalf, to get to the bottom of it.

Maybe the Leafs should have sat him. If I were Matthews and had to play with someone like Marner sitting up high every shift. I would be fed up. If I knew he actively demanded to be on the same line even contractually I would likely be borderline. Marner plays terrible hockey. Its the brand of hockey that makes me want to fire him out of a clown canon.

It's time for change

 

[Stephen]

LOL of course it does cause the player is clearly more important than the team

This is why 13 mill or even a resign at any number makes zero sense unless he can change this narrative anyone who wants to pay millions of dollars for a player like this is out to lunch I would think we’re talkin about jarnkrok not the superstar Mitch LOL

Sometimes I wonder. If he just took the same salary as he has now, told everyone he loves Toronto and wants to win, take a “hometown discount” I think people would just embrace him more and he would have no pressure on the next deal: “yeah he’s no Mikko but he doesn’t make Mikko money.”

Yeah $13 million is $13 million. But $11 million is also $11 million. Life isn’t that bad.

 

[trellaine201]

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[francis246]

If we lose to the Panthers, won't you be convinced that this core will never get it done and the Leafs need to go in a different direction? I would also consider shopping Matthews. Everything and anything should be on the table.

Kyper said, they are more talented than the Panthers but they are not as good. Let's see if he is right.

I would but the reality is two things, I don’t believe there are quality replacements in UFA. Sorry, Boeser and Ehlers ain’t getting it done. Both are close to 30 and can’t stay healthy.

2. There’s not a shot in hell McDavid is leaving Edmonton.

So the best option is to keep Marner and hopefully get the Pasternak deal where there is some limited trade protection then trade him down the line.

 

[francis246]

Refusing to be traded for the best playoff performer of the decade.

Refusing to discuss contract or move.
Refusing to sign.

Ya people will be mad. He got paid top dollar. The red carpet rolled out. Protected at every turn then leaves?

Insanity

Sorry only idiots would be mad. He had an NMC. Anyone expecting him to waive needs their heads checked

 

[francis246]

A healthy Matthews is absolutely a game breaker what are you talking about?

1. When has Matthews been healthy

2. When has he been a game breaker

Need I remind you. ONLY CORE FOUR MEMBER TO HAVE NEVER Scored in Round 2. For all the shit people talk about Marner and Nylander, at least both have them have scored in the second round and against the panthers in multiple series.

 

[Legion34]

Sorry only idiots would be mad. He had an NMC. Anyone expecting him to waive needs their heads checked

Refusing to leave a team you want to leave who was willing to move on is just dumb.

He may want to sign. But he has not negotiated. IF it turns out that he refused all offers and trades just to walk away a year later. Fans should and will be mad.

If he wanted to leave. He should have left last summer. 8 years, pick your spot. Team gets assets.

If he wants to stay. Then he should negotiate.

It’s not hard.

 

[ACC1224]

Refusing to leave a team you want to leave who was willing to move on is just dumb.

He may want to sign. But he has not negotiated. IF it turns out that he refused all offers and trades just to walk away a year later. Fans should and will be mad.

If he wanted to leave. He should have left last summer. 8 years, pick your spot. Team gets assets.

If he wants to stay. Then he should negotiate.

It’s not hard.

That’s a pretty childish outlook.
He’s fulfilling the terms of his contract and hasn’t mislead anyone. Free Agents leave their teams every season, this would be no different.

 

[francis246]

Refusing to leave a team you want to leave who was willing to move on is just dumb.

He may want to sign. But he has not negotiated. IF it turns out that he refused all offers and trades just to walk away a year later. Fans should and will be mad.

If he wanted to leave. He should have left last summer. 8 years, pick your spot. Team gets assets.

If he wants to stay. Then he should negotiate.

It’s not hard.

Neither party did anything wrong. It’s Marner’s contractual right to not negotiate until he’s ready and it’s the teams right to shop him and explore every possibility.

I don’t understand why anyone would be mad about that?

Truthfully I don’t really know anyone in real life that is mad that we didn’t get Rantanen. Most people I know do not care that we didn’t get Rantanen. I’d assume a lot of leafs fans honestly don’t care and have cared even less since the playoffs have started. So I don’t think people will be mad at him. A few fans will boo him because he’s not a leaf anymore and we should boo him if that happens. The motivation will not be because of a rejected trade.

 

[francis246]

Refusing to leave a team you want to leave who was willing to move on is just dumb.

He may want to sign. But he has not negotiated. IF it turns out that he refused all offers and trades just to walk away a year later. Fans should and will be mad.

If he wanted to leave. He should have left last summer. 8 years, pick your spot. Team gets assets.

If he wants to stay. Then he should negotiate.

It’s not hard.

Why would marner help this team get assets if he wants to leave?

People who spew this but had no problem with John Tavares signing with us piss me off. Would you have wanted to trade one of Willy or Marner as a young guy for Tavares? Or did you enjoy signing him for free.

Think of it from that perspective and you’ll realize how rediculous it is to have expected him to waive to help out the leafs

 

[leafs in five]

"spaghetti" — first time I've heard that term.

 

[4thline]

I would but the reality is two things, I don’t believe there are quality replacements in UFA. Sorry, Boeser and Ehlers ain’t getting it done. Both are close to 30 and can’t stay healthy.

There's no replacement of Marner's calibre in UFA no- but the question is that with another elite RW in the fold, do we need a RW as good as Marner, or just one good enough to play with Matthews and the player Knies is emerging to be.

 

[Antropovsky]

Sometimes I wonder. If he just took the same salary as he has now, told everyone he loves Toronto and wants to win, take a “hometown discount” I think people would just embrace him more and he would have no pressure on the next deal: “yeah he’s no Mikko but he doesn’t make Mikko money.”

Yeah $13 million is $13 million. But $11 million is also $11 million. Life isn’t that bad.

Its fewr of missing out ... its not just 1 million. Guaranteed the hold up has been term, just like it was last contract. He wants a 3 year deal for 12. So he can land one more at around 15x8 when hes 30 or 31, that gives him a guaranteed huge paycheque of around 156 million until he's 38-39 years old. Rather than 12x8 that takes him to 36 years old and 96 million.

That 60 million more. Not chump change.

I might be off a bit on numbers but it definitely what he wants.

Come on Matthews cant keep getting these Uncle Marleau approved short contracts and not the Teams leading point getter!!

Its why Tree keeps saying to the press "We want Mitch to be a Leaf for a long time "

 

[thewave]

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Rather have Brock Boeser off that list for 5m a year less. He doesn't have a lot of playoff experience but the last time he was in 12gp 7g 5a 12p. 6ft1 208.

Let's do that. 5m spread around to depth will make a better team.

 

[Legion34]

That’s a pretty childish outlook.
He’s fulfilling the terms of his contract and hasn’t mislead anyone. Free Agents leave their teams every season, this would be no different.

Why would marner help this team get assets if he wants to leave?

People who spew this but had no problem with John Tavares signing with us piss me off. Would you have wanted to trade one of Willy or Marner as a young guy for Tavares? Or did you enjoy signing him for free.

Think of it from that perspective and you’ll realize how rediculous it is to have expected him to waive to help out the leafs

Question. Why would a fan “spewing this “ piss you off. This is a public message forum. Why would you be angry about someone’s behaviour that doesn’t breach a rule/contract? Fans can’t be mad that a player refuses trades/negotiations, but you get to be mad? You are the universal arbitrator of righteous anger?

Fans are allowed to have emotions. Marner is allowed to not care. He can exercise his legal rights. No one is stopping him.

1.) he would not be waiving to help the leafs. He would be waiving to go to where he wants and get the 8th year.
2.) refusing to negotiate with a team or tell them demands or tell them whether or not you want to sign is pretty different. It’s not a dispute over money. No one even knows what he wants
3.) he actively refused trades negotiations demands. The team can’t plan properly for next year. If Marner said I’m not coming back. Or gave a number they couldn’t match then they might not have had to get retention on Laughton/carlo. They may have had replacements they could have spent assets on instead.

He can act like this. Fans can choose to be mad. Marner wants to be loved and wants people to support his foundations and his causes. Many will spend their. Money other places.

All of this is fine. You can be mad at someone for their behaviour outside of contractual obligations.

 

[arso40]

And what is this famous "injury"? Matty played in all 4 nations games, did not take a few games off just before playoffs to recoup, and was not placed on a pre-playoff month long IR (like Florida et al do to be able to pad their salary cap). Did he incur "injury" in the Ottawa series? Because I don't remember that being pointed out by eagle-eye pundits.

I guess its a new Paschal Mystery, part of God's plan. I say, with respect and humour, maybe the Pope will tackle this one on our behalf, to get to the bottom of it.

He’s not taking practices off cause he’s a diva that much we do know he didn’t fly to Germany for a vacation either

 

[The Shadow]

Will these be the last two games of Marner as a leaf?

 

[francis246]

Question. Why would a fan “spewing this “ piss you off. This is a public message forum. Why would you be angry about someone’s behaviour that doesn’t breach a rule/contract? Fans can’t be mad that a player refuses trades/negotiations, but you get to be mad? You are the universal arbitrator of righteous anger?

Fans are allowed to have emotions. Marner is allowed to not care. He can exercise his legal rights. No one is stopping him.

1.) he would not be waiving to help the leafs. He would be waiving to go to where he wants and get the 8th year.
2.) refusing to negotiate with a team or tell them demands or tell them whether or not you want to sign is pretty different. It’s not a dispute over money. No one even knows what he wants
3.) he actively refused trades negotiations demands. The team can’t plan properly for next year. If Marner said I’m not coming back. Or gave a number they couldn’t match then they might not have had to get retention on Laughton/carlo. They may have had replacements they could have spent assets on instead.

He can act like this. Fans can choose to be mad. Marner wants to be loved and wants people to support his foundations and his causes. Many will spend their. Money other places.

All of this is fine. You can be mad at someone for their behaviour outside of contractual obligations.

Who says Marner cares about an 8 year contract? It doesn’t seem like he’s concerned or wants an 8 year deal.

It pisses me off because the leafs have been direct beneficiaries of this exact play multiple times. It’s hyprocritical to be fake outraged about this,

John Tavares, Zach Hyman, Michael Bunting, ect the list goes on of guys who have done something similar to get on the leafs. Marner isn’t the first player to refuse to negotate and the team is fine, there’s no guarantee we’d be infinitely better with Rantanen, just cause Rantanen has popped off with Dallas doesn’t mean that would have happened in Toronto

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Who says Marner cares about an 8 year contract? It doesn’t seem like he’s concerned or wants an 8 year deal

Tbh I’d probably prefer a shorter term deal for Mitch. 4x13 or something would be good in the sense that we wouldn’t be tied to him forever.

 

[FerrisRox]

Refusing to leave a team you want to leave who was willing to move on is just dumb.

He has the right to refuse any trade for any reason. That's his right.

The fact that he had a pregnant wife and the impending birth of his child was down to the final week or two, it's idiotic of anybody to hold it against him for refusing to accept a trade to Carolina.

Any fan that is bitter at Mitch Marner for turning down that deal is a fool. Whether Marner leaves or stays, he had every right to turn down that deal and anybody with even a faint clue of what real life is all about realizes that he wasn't going to choose to leave his wife and go to another country to work at that time.

 

[Legion34]

Who says Marner cares about an 8 year contract? It doesn’t seem like he’s concerned or wants an 8 year deal.

It pisses me off because the leafs have been direct beneficiaries of this exact play multiple times. It’s hyprocritical to be fake outraged about this,

John Tavares, Zach Hyman, Michael Bunting, ect the list goes on of guys who have done something similar to get on the leafs. Marner isn’t the first player to refuse to negotate and the team is fine, there’s no guarantee we’d be infinitely better with Rantanen, just cause Rantanen has popped off with Dallas doesn’t mean that would have happened in Toronto

And people will be pissed because Marner if he wanted to leave could have left and the leafs could have worked out a deal where he wants to go. They asked for numbers. They tried to plan. He has refused to talk.

He wants people to support his causes and foundation. His team including his dad and agent has negotiated the the media, using fans to get what he wants.

If he walks for nothing after refusing to negotiations and working out a trade. He will be villified by the fans. He will not be harmed or held in breach of contract or anything. He broke no laws. But people will be correctly angry.